Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer IDK who in this community has seen this one, but I'm curious to know what reprapers think of it. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/117421627/the-peachy-printer-the-first-100-3d-printer-and-sc http://www.peachyprinter.com/#!printer-specs/c1gk6 It certainly looks like a very different approach to any of the photolithographic printers I've seen before. https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,247926#msg-247926 Sat, 08 Aug 2026 06:35:21 -0400 Phorum 5.2.23 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,665419#msg-665419 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,665419#msg-665419
Read a bit about the controversy...

[theamericangenius.com]

This sucks for anyone that backed it I guess...]]> Anonymous User General Wed, 18 May 2016 18:22:38 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,664139#msg-664139 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,664139#msg-664139
At least we have the idea. If they can't make them, we might be able to.]]> epicepee General Sun, 15 May 2016 13:36:02 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,664071#msg-664071 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,664071#msg-664071 Anonymous User General Sun, 15 May 2016 09:47:47 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663617#msg-663617 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663617#msg-663617
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the_digital_dentist
Many will say "but, but, but if everyone follows your advice, projects won't get funded". That's OK. Things got invented, products were developed and funded before KS came along.
KS isn't going to go away any time soon. There will always be people with more money than sense to fund questionable projects.

I've backed several... only one (my first) has cost me money with no reward.

My view is... if I don't back the project, and it fails, then I don't get the cool thing that they're wanting to produce. Yes, products were developed before KS. But then product development was mostly the preserve of the wealthy. If someone wealthy couldn't be persuaded to invest, then it didn't get done, no matter how many other people could have benefited from the product. So KS democratises product development; just because of that, I want KS to continue.

Yes, the risk is still there. But it's no longer on the huge scale that restricted it to the wealthy. My one failed KS project cost US$11,874... I couldn't afford to risk that, but my share was only US$35. I can live with losing that.]]> frankvdh General Sat, 14 May 2016 00:56:34 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663526#msg-663526 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663526#msg-663526 need a house to live in while managing the money of the company?

It is basically the operation of many USA government acquisitions.

How can one build a factory and produce a product if the money manager
is not real happy. The gold plating must be ordered prior to the steel!

A $100 printer after government regulations / specs, financial management is $100,000

Real hard to take a tinkerer product to a commercial product.

Rylan should perhaps release 12 skunks into the new house
then maybe a KS paid only by David to rid skunk smell ?

:X]]> cozmicray General Fri, 13 May 2016 15:04:15 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663488#msg-663488 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663488#msg-663488
Let someone else take the risk.

If you back a project and it is unsuccessful due to inept management, or it's run by crooks, or both as in this case, you lose your money.
If you back a project and it's successful, you'll get a first generation device that will probably be quickly followed by an improved design that you would prefer over the original.
If you don't back a project and it becomes successful, you'll be able to buy the device easily.
The limited upside potential doesn't justify the risk.

Many will say "but, but, but if everyone follows your advice, projects won't get funded". That's OK. Things got invented, products were developed and funded before KS came along.
KS isn't going to go away any time soon. There will always be people with more money than sense to fund questionable projects.]]> the_digital_dentist General Fri, 13 May 2016 12:59:47 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663484#msg-663484 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663484#msg-663484
I've worked for billion dollar companies, and they can easily screw up projects, the difference is that they usually don't get any publicity, after spending x million the project is canned and no-one outside the company hears about it.

But crowdfunding isn't even an investment, it's a uniquely new thing, but the closest I can describe it is somewhere between a "gift" and a "favour". Backers are giving money, and are expecting to get something in return, but there is virtually no redress if the project fails to deliver.

So backing a crowdfunded technology project is taking a triple risk - and there is no collateral or equity in return. You can't get out more than your pledge, but you could lose all of it.

In addition, crowdfunding makes it very easy for honest (although incompetent) people to get funds, it also makes it easy for criminally minded to get funds.

Eventually people will get to understand the nature of crowdfunding and act more wisely, but in the meantime there will be lots of burned fingers.]]> bobc General Fri, 13 May 2016 12:39:37 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663407#msg-663407 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663407#msg-663407 Frans@France General Fri, 13 May 2016 06:57:51 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663275#msg-663275 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663275#msg-663275
But I don't buy the whole "spent it on the house" thing. $217K ($324,716.01 stolen - $107,000 repaid) spent, and there isn't enough progress for the bank to make a progress loan? Maybe the mortgage is just a story too. I'd expect that would be easy to check. Or maybe the builder is defrauding *him*.]]> frankvdh General Thu, 12 May 2016 22:29:59 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663265#msg-663265 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663265#msg-663265 DRobs86 General Thu, 12 May 2016 20:47:10 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663264#msg-663264 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663264#msg-663264
[reprap.org]

went the same way in Hong Kong
got printers shipping ready then pulled funding

I lost $650 in the Makibox fiasco.

my order probably sold at clearance sale

It happens a lot!

Beware of snake oil from Jonathan Buford, Founder of Makible,

:X]]> cozmicray General Thu, 12 May 2016 20:36:31 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663250#msg-663250 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663250#msg-663250 DRobs86 General Thu, 12 May 2016 18:31:27 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663228#msg-663228 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663228#msg-663228 Selling an unfinished house will get a fraction of the money which was poured in, so again waiting the completion makes sense.

However, there are questions:
- Why not asking the help of Kickstarter ? They will had instantly understood the bad press it can do to them and may have helped to sort the problem.

- It is very surprising that Kickstarter send money to an individual and not an incorporated company for project which are handled by teams and for such amount of money. A requirement to incorporate before sending any money and maybe before the campaign shall be an evidence. It is not that difficult to incorporate and would-be entrepreneurs which are not capable to do so before initiating a Kickstarter send a bad message about the project preparation. With such lack of control and responsibility from Kickstarter, no surprise this sort of things occur.

- This was underlined by many contributors, but a more sober video was needed. Dramatising the situation notably with the music makes that look surreal and the impression that this is a joke.

Project which try to get money from multiple sources shall get scrutiny. This may be a bad signal. Kickstarter may not prohibit that, but may ask it to be planned. And as soon as a project try to get extra money, an advisor from Kickstarter may have a look at the situation.

Anyway this project had major problems from start. They get much more money than was initially planned, and the amount expensed (with grants and others sources) is many times what they were requiring, with a net result of no final product issued. They were preparing to issue 600 printers on more than 4000 ordered, so worth 60 000 USD per their own unit price. So even without this fraud, a positive outcome with all orders fulfilled was unlikely. This just add some fury in the mind of backers and a terrible press for Kickstarter, which they somewhat deserve.
The question of a full stop with refunding with remaining money should have been raised earlier.]]> PRZ General Thu, 12 May 2016 16:49:41 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663219#msg-663219 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663219#msg-663219
But like I said, you're not obligated to agree with me.]]> Feign General Thu, 12 May 2016 16:07:39 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663208#msg-663208 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663208#msg-663208
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Mostly R&D
they continued to take a wage from what was left.

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and getting a video confession out of the guy as part of the agreement was smarter

under duress he claims, so an empty apology

"That was taken under duress, extreme duress, at that date," he said.
"They actually told me exactly what they wanted said in that.
"I'm not going to talk about [the allegations] right now."
source BBC

just short of million $ gone they all should be flogged

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Backers won't want the smart move though, they'll want reparation, and a few of them will want revenge. Which is a shame, because the Peachy team deserve better than that. If I were in a position to do so, I'd be hiring the Peachy Team members (Rylan included) as quickly as possible.
you working for'em]]> jinx General Thu, 12 May 2016 15:37:14 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663202#msg-663202 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663202#msg-663202
I also understand his move to try to get David Roe to pay back the money rather than going straight to the police. If you go to the authorities as the first move, there's effectively zero chance of getting your money back in a timely manner. The house and all the other assets that would have been sold off to pay back Peachy would have been sold at government auction for next to nothing, after the whole trial, which could last months even if the guy had a guilty plea. Trying to work it out first was the smart move, and getting a video confession out of the guy as part of the agreement was smarter.

Backers won't want the smart move though, they'll want reparation, and a few of them will want revenge. Which is a shame, because the Peachy team deserve better than that. If I were in a position to do so, I'd be hiring the Peachy Team members (Rylan included) as quickly as possible.]]> Feign General Thu, 12 May 2016 15:22:37 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663043#msg-663043 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,663043#msg-663043 [www.3ders.org]
" Roe had stolen and spent $324,716.01 of Peachy Printer’s money for his own personal use."
"Roe has apparently repaid roughly $107,000, less than half"

and

[3dprint.com]
" all of the Kickstarter funds — $587,435.73 worth "
" he pursued additional funding, including a $50,000 "

and

[hackaday.com]
"Peachy Printer received two government grants totalling $90,000 and $135,000."

So 325.000 stolen but received an extra 382.000 in repayments, grants and loans. So 50.000 in the plus.::o]]> Frans@France General Thu, 12 May 2016 07:39:28 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,662861#msg-662861 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,662861#msg-662861
The Peachy died pretty much as it was expected to, not through technical incompetence or malice, but through basic bad business sense. He hired personal friends for top positions, which is a death sentence for a company. Everything else from there was just an inevitable domino-effect.]]> Feign General Wed, 11 May 2016 16:57:29 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,662827#msg-662827 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,662827#msg-662827
A shame, because Peachy was something different and quite promising.]]> bobc General Wed, 11 May 2016 14:44:50 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,662591#msg-662591 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,662591#msg-662591
[www.youtube.com]

"David" has decided to use 3D Printing to build a house. Sadly, it's not using the printer, more using the Kickstarter Funds.

Any investors on here who are still without 3D Printing capabilities at home due to this, please PM me.

-Andy Southern
aka BathRobotics]]> andysuth General Wed, 11 May 2016 05:28:03 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249989#msg-249989 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249989#msg-249989
Well done guys.]]> andysuth General Mon, 30 Sep 2013 06:50:20 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249497#msg-249497 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249497#msg-249497 [www.kickstarter.com]]]> dudesom General Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:07:52 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249468#msg-249468 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249468#msg-249468
[www.kickstarter.com]
(SmoothieBoard)

You should link direct to the project, give it a bit more easy publicity.

I'd have gone for one of the early incentives if there were any left.

I'll have to see what's in the other kits before committing more than the whole shiny dollar I've just pledged.....

All the best,

AS.]]> andysuth General Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:47:24 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249462#msg-249462 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249462#msg-249462
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Its more likely a price point of the higher quality projects Traumflag talks about that keep people away than the less risky higher quality components themselves.

This supports my observation. People prefer cheap trash over (inevitable higher priced) quality.

There's now Smoothieboard on Kickstarter. Arthur developed about a year on this board and I have no doubt it works fine. Let's see when this project breaks the six-digit barrier.]]> Traumflug General Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:16:22 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249437#msg-249437 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249437#msg-249437 -------------------------------------------------------
> andysuth Wrote:
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Traumflug
my observation on
> crowdfunding
> > sites is, the higher the quality and the less
> > risky a project is, the lower the backing
> > is.
> >
> > Is that to do with the more established, lower
> > risk projects have less risk so have a higher
> > price too?
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iQuzzle
> I would say it has to do with the fact that
> established products don't cut corners to make
> price points -- because machines that work well
> generally have to have at least a few quality
> parts.
IQuizzle,

Yes, using higher quality components is one way to derisk a product.

But people wouldn't stay away from a project on KS because it had higher quality components.
Its more likely a price point of the higher quality projects Traumflag talks about that keep people away than the less risky higher quality components themselves.]]> andysuth General Sat, 28 Sep 2013 04:19:15 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249312#msg-249312 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249312#msg-249312
I hope you aren't affected by it the way FormLabs was, but the earlier you start trying to cover your bases, the better.]]> iquizzle General Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:37:57 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249311#msg-249311 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249311#msg-249311 Simba General Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:36:14 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249308#msg-249308 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249308#msg-249308 OK, you have won me over, you sound genuine, good luck with the project.


I think two coils of wire 2 magnets 2 mirors and a laser in any combination should not really be patentable ... its to simple!
and electro magnets and mirrors and uv light have been around for a very long time.

Thats how us normal people think, but lawyers see the world a different way, I know someone who has a small inovative products business, he was challenged over a patent, it cost him £70000 and 2 years to prove he was not violating a patent.
Its a cynical attempt to hinder or destroy competition, or extract money.]]> johnrpm General Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:27:08 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249303#msg-249303 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249303#msg-249303
I don't think that's viable with gpl or os.

Though if you are putting it all out into the public domain immediately during development then you can't retrospectively apply for a patent on the tech (at least in non-corrupt patent systems).

How about splitting between two companies though, one which develops (e.g. a "peachy foundation") and one manufacturing under the open source agreement? The manufacturing company would not ever realise a competitive advantage through the data, but work on the level playing field with other companies in the sector.

Good luck with the rest of the KS.

-AS

P.s. schematics for beta testing, eh?]]> andysuth General Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:57:31 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249300#msg-249300 Re: Peachy Printer - $100 Photolithographic printer https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,247926,249300#msg-249300 -------------------------------------------------------
> Please PM me This is exactly the kind of thinking and suport I need to stick to my word.
PM me so I can give you my phone number.

Okay. Will be glad if I can contribute.]]> Simba General Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:48:51 -0400