Fastest 3D-Printer in the World Hi Guys, Which is the actual fastest printer in the world, [b]driven by nema17 motors and filament spool[/b]? No concepts, only built and working printers. Which - Acceleration X,Y & Z - Max-Speed - Retract Speed - Print Speed is state of the art? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,741615#msg-741615 Mon, 20 Jul 2026 00:39:52 -0400 Phorum 5.2.23 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742543#msg-742543 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742543#msg-742543 Kolbi General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 13:59:58 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742538#msg-742538 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742538#msg-742538
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I also had to go up with temperature, now 200° for PLA, but may have to go up far more because of short contact/melting time. For HighSpeed i guess ABS would be the better choice, but on the other side PLA has greater overhang capabilities because faster hardening and not bending up so fast.

Yes, I increase the temperature with PLA for high speeds. I think PLA has the lowest viscosity of the common plastics (at usable temperatures) and the best inter-layer bonding, so I normally use PLA for anything where I want a print quickly to test fit and size. I haven't had much luck trying to rush ABS, I typically have to print it about half the speed of PLA. Where my normal temperature for PLA is 190C, I've used up to 230C for high speed prints. The downside is that it doesn't bridge very well at high temperatures. You also need to have a good part cooling fan to avoid too much heat build up in the print.]]> JamesK General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 13:50:51 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742519#msg-742519 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742519#msg-742519
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Glad to see that you are trying it - the combination of fast delta motion with larger nozzle sizes should be very impressive, as long as your hotend can keep up.

Thanks, you are right, i am now fighting with extrusion volume and extruder grip and had to tighten the springs a lot. For now i put a small counter bearing to the extruder motor shaft to protect it from bending too much, but this is no good solution, will have to redesign the airtripper for 14x5mm motor shaft counter-bearing. Or does anybody know a similar extruder on thingiverse with bigger bearings?

I also had to go up with temperature, now 200° for PLA, but may have to go up far more because of short contact/melting time. For HighSpeed i guess ABS would be the better choice, but on the other side PLA has greater overhang capabilities because faster hardening and not bending up so fast.


0.4mm layers should make overhang edges far better, but needs roughly 1/5 more time... will try a few heigths and report.

Edit: Used 0.7mm extrusion width, then changed to 2 perimeter with inner perimeter 1mm width, but did not print well.]]> Kolbi General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:46:12 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742506#msg-742506 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742506#msg-742506
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MechaBits
but what I meant by Junk is Printing stuff that has no use

You are so right, but your criticism does not help, we need suggestions how to solve that problem.
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Could do a part in under 20min with 3 perimeters and no infill.

You should only need a single perimeter. A 0.7mm nozzle and 3 perimeters would be at least 2.1mm walls which is unnecessary for this model. What extrusion width did you use? With a 0.7mm nozzle I would suggest a layer height of 0.4mm and width of 1.1mm. Glad to see that you are trying it - the combination of fast delta motion with larger nozzle sizes should be very impressive, as long as your hotend can keep up.]]> JamesK General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:34:04 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742480#msg-742480 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742480#msg-742480
I try since hours to print with 0.7mm nozzle and 0.5 layer height without infill. Could do a part in under 20min with 3 perimeters. Looked good, but did not lock with my other parts i printed @ 0.2mm layer, just layed on each other. Could glue that thing for a photo, but will make a video soon that shows how to film and test irrefutable.



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but what I meant by Junk is Printing stuff that has no use

You are so right, but your criticism does not help, we need suggestions how to solve that problem.

I had the idea to print with a hole in the top or bottom, then fill water with a syringe or printed funnel inside, place it on a absorbent kitchen roll, and voila, if its watertight, it has passed the surface test. Would that be acceptable?

Bought the lathe for motor parts and hotend stuff.]]> Kolbi General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:18:54 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742467#msg-742467 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742467#msg-742467
I'd never send it to a customer, but I guess now I can say that I have a fast printer :)

Thanks for posting this challenge, I've learnt a lot about how to tune for speed. I was surprised to see the effect of acceleration on corners (as the effector slows down for a corner, the stored force in the bowden releases a blob). Maybe I need to start looking at pressure advance.


Printed on a Kossel Mini running Repetier on RAMPS, most speeds around 80mm/s, acceleration at 6000, jerk at 20, layer height 0.3mm, extrusion width 0.5mm, nozzle 0.3mm, printed in blue HIPS.

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I'd be far more interested in seeing what you've made with the lathe...wish I had one.]]> MechaBits General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 10:22:55 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742411#msg-742411 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742411#msg-742411
All i do is try to understand what my eye is seeing.

Cheating is a very efficient way to reach a goal, therefor i already said this is a serious thread, this means claims without proof are OFF TOPIC and NOT SERIOUS!


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I have already said I'm not interested in wasting my time making videos to claim your foolish 'fastest' printer title.

Then its OT, feel free to make a proove free contest, i will join for fun and print anything in under 1min. Faking is much easyer than building a fast machine.


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... here's a video from the "DICE" testing printing speeds (travel speeds can be up to >800mm/s)

Would be great if it could join the contest!

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Chri
got a 31:35 min yesterday evening with my beiwagerl, an no, i don`t made a movie picture or something else

OT without proove


There will be a ranking if serious videos occur, i too will try to make better videos.

Today i made a 0.7mm nozzle, and will try 0.5 layers without infill, then the snap and break test. With a bit luck i can make the video in one part with my handy, and hopefully it will be seen as true by everyone. Stay tuned!]]> Kolbi General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 08:06:56 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742399#msg-742399 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742399#msg-742399
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JamesK

Please do us all a favour and try and behave a little more like an adult on this forum. You'll fit in much better that way.

+1 nothing to add there

got a 31:35 min yesterday evening with my beiwagerl, an no, i don`t made a movie picture or something else, people who saw the printer in real life will know that i never talk bullshit (like some other).

and to VDX`s post of the DICE, i believe a good calibrated DICE can break the 30min easily with no doubt.

and last but not least Definition of benchmarking
Still there have to be rules when running a contest, just take a look at computer gaming benchmarks, or Car racing leagues like formel 1, 24h Le Mans, ect ...

Nothing more to talk here so far.

chri]]> Chri General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:37:33 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742392#msg-742392 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742392#msg-742392
It doesn't really matter its just a bit of context, but I'd be willing to bet the average age of the contributors to this forum (certainly those with hundreds/thousands of posts) is surely 40+ so it can safely be assumed not that many people here are interested in racing contests and accusations of cheating.

Kolbi - I am you might be surprised to hear NOT disappointed to now be in third place - I couldn't care less. But Tyugo seems to have the fastest machine now, so I suggest you go back to the lab and work on your machine rather than accusing him of cheating. I think if you had began this thread by saying you wanted to see how fast your machine was, and that you believe it to be fast we would get that - but you've set yourself up for a fall, by claiming that your common-or-garden rostock delta is the fastest 3D printer in the world - this is unlikely to be the case. Its quick but others seem to be quicker. And if we cared enough to really spend time engineering for extreme speed you can bet some of the people here, who invented the technology you now use, would achieve something amazing. But they are much more concerned with quality and innovation.

I am not following this thread any more but I am quite happy to start a new one for those who were, who wish to discuss techniques for improving printing at speed without any childish contests.]]> DjDemonD General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:31:16 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742386#msg-742386 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742386#msg-742386
[www.youtube.com]]]> VDX General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:23:06 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742382#msg-742382 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742382#msg-742382
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Printing 0.5mm layers instead of 0.2 means 2.5times faster.
My 38min/2.5 = 15,2 minutes with my speed setting.
This means you must have printed with faster speeds than my printer can do...on

So if i havent made a math error, then its a fake!

If you can post a video, the title is yours.

Kolbi, I'm trying very hard to find positives in your contribution and make allowances both for translation difficulties and your obvious excess of enthusiasm, but I would suggest that you refrain from suggesting people are lying if you want to make any friends on this forum. I have already said I'm not interested in wasting my time making videos to claim your foolish 'fastest' printer title. Your math is fine but your understanding of filament extrusion seems limited. I suggest you work out your extrusion rate in mm3/s and compare it to mine, then the difference will likely be clearer to you. You should also consider that we may have extruded both at a different rate and also a different total volume of plastic. With 0.5 x 1.2mm wide extrusion I only need a single perimeter and no infill to make the model sufficiently strong to use.

Please do us all a favour and try and behave a little more like an adult on this forum. You'll fit in much better that way.]]> JamesK General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:16:45 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742381#msg-742381 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742381#msg-742381

Do you want a live ???]]> Tyugo General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 07:15:12 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742366#msg-742366 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742366#msg-742366
1.) You stream the video to a PC live, but at 28:15, there is no delay in stream, on the contrary: Your video can see the future!

Here is a screenshot, in the main video, the monitor cant be seen fully, but on the monitor screen you can see the whole monitor:

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This can mean: Its a fake, you recorded a other video earlyer thats shown on the monitor
OR
You have a absolutely delay free transmission to the pc, and the aspect ratios from the final video were cut alot. But then, point 2 prooves the fake:

2.) A few frames later it happens, somehow all the movements are asyncronous, and there is no solid delay no matter how often i count. If i count 5 frames delay there are errors, if i count 10 frames delay there are errors, and so on.


I do not have any idea how this delay magic could happen to a real video, does anybody else have?]]> Kolbi General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 06:53:14 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742363#msg-742363 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742363#msg-742363
The printer is driver by a duetwifi with the last edge firmware from DC42 so you can congratulate him for this amazing speed, otherwise those combo jerk and accel works because my setup is really light (don't ask my the weigh, i don't remember) and i've disacctivate microstepping interpolation in my config, motors run in 16x mode so my max speed should be far from those value... Of courses values given are for print speed.

more speed, more fun ;-)]]> Tyugo General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 06:47:04 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742347#msg-742347 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742347#msg-742347
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Tyugo
So this is the link for youtube :
[youtu.be]

Hi Tyugo, thanks for joining the contest!

The more, the more fun :)


Looks very nice and fast, but, apologies for my criticism, its not perfectly proof.

Its very easy to record cound with mic, then lay it over 2x fast video.

Therefor your MOUTH MOVEMENTS have to be seen, this is much harder to fake. Also dont be shy like me, compared to my face everyone looks like an adonis :D

But i saw the ending with the video program. This seems clever, but is fakeable too, so i will have an accurate look on the frames when the video download has finished.
If it seems to be real, then it will be seen as true from my side!


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6000 in acceleration and 2000 in jerck

Travel or Print acceleration?

2000 Jerk??? This means also your acceleration ramp will start with 2000mm/s instead of 0, how can this work?]]> Kolbi General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 06:18:04 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742338#msg-742338 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742338#msg-742338
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Kolbi Does the thing that was printed badly have a use?

Seems you havent take a look at the video yet. It clicks well, and is very stable.

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if not shame on you, design(print) less junk.

Translates not very friendly... why do you call a functional piece with nice high-speed overhangs junk? Make it better and faster, but even then it is not very friendly to call other prints junk.



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Maybe the print time is heavily influenced by the number of retractions (especially if you Z hop)

You got the point. Screw spindles like on many z axes make retracts very slow. I have 0.3mm Z-retract with 500mm/s @ 15000mm/s².

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his thread has provoked some interesting thoughts and ideas

Agreed, a friendly competition is conducive to the development


http://www.thingiverse.com/make:293077

Printing 0.5mm layers instead of 0.2 means 2.5times faster.
My 38min/2.5 = 15,2 minutes with my speed setting.
This means you must have printed with faster speeds than my printer can do...

So if i havent made a math error, then its a fake!

If you can post a video, the title is yours.]]> Kolbi General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 05:53:38 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742337#msg-742337 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742337#msg-742337 just for fun i run my printer in crazy high speed to see what's happen !
So this is the link for youtube :
[youtu.be]

I started my print at 200mm/s, 6000 in acceleration and 2000 in jerck, i increase the speed progressively to 350 % in the 2 last mm. The print is not really clean but i was surprise it finish ! Quality really started to degrade after 300mm/s
Filament is PS from OWA3D and can be print at amazing speed. Nozzle is 0.4 mm and layer high 0.2
Print finished in 32 min.]]> Tyugo General Thu, 26 Jan 2017 05:46:36 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742248#msg-742248 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742248#msg-742248
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[www.thingiverse.com] if anyone is interested.

approx 36mm/s linear

::o I need an emoticon with bigger eyes, actually popping out of my head! That filament will be racing through the extruder! There's no way in hell any of my hotends could keep up with that.

I think you win, so far :D

Ah, I may have phrased that badly. I didn't mean 36mm/s of filament input, I meant 36mm/s head speed. I'll edit the text (where's the embarrassed smiley when you need it?)

On the other hand, when I use the big nozzles with 1.75mm filament you should see the work out that the extruder gets!]]> JamesK General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:47:37 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742241#msg-742241 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742241#msg-742241
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JamesK
[www.thingiverse.com] if anyone is interested.

approx 36mm/s linear

::o I need an emoticon with bigger eyes, actually popping out of my head! That filament will be racing through the extruder! There's no way in hell any of my hotends could keep up with that.

I think you win, so far :D]]> nebbian General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:42:23 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742240#msg-742240 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742240#msg-742240
[www.thingiverse.com] if anyone is interested.]]> JamesK General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 19:20:50 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742237#msg-742237 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742237#msg-742237
Dj nope sorry my heads to frazzled to figure it out, I thought my logic & math was good enough,
If I bumped it up, i'd have to go about 2.5 times, I'll end up with a rougher part, dont know if i can push it that far not tried(one day),
but it would be same weight as slower one, my slicer says 8129.5mm of filament used 25g not 29 that was other part]]> MechaBits General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:56:14 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742230#msg-742230 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742230#msg-742230 DjDemonD General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:41:15 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742227#msg-742227 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742227#msg-742227
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No I know what you guys did I saw the pics, I suppose thats what I was missing weight of material, not volume/density/mass ...complicated...i'm just using PLA, if I bumped speed up so it did it in 1hr id have a 3x as heavy part in the same amount of time...confuzzled. i'm sure it will become clear at some point.

Yes, I can't quite figure that one out. It seems like a reasonable sort of comparison, but somehow I suspect it isn't. Maybe the print time is heavily influenced by the number of retractions (especially if you Z hop), and those are probably a constant number per layer, independent of the number of perimeters and density of infill. That's a pretty hand-wavy, vague sort of explanation though :)

Whatever we think of the details of Kolbi's 'competition', his thread has provoked some interesting thoughts and ideas, and I'm grateful for that.]]> JamesK General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:25:33 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742226#msg-742226 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742226#msg-742226 MechaBits General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:15:51 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742221#msg-742221 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742221#msg-742221
I think its trying to measure it by mass that's the different point of view. For the purposes of this challenge I couldn't care less if it weighed 100g or 0.1g, just that it looks like the thing I sliced and fits into the other one. Are you using ABS? What's it density? l print a fair bit in PETG and that's a lot denser than ABS/PLA, the same object printed with the same settings in PETG would have been 18g not 12g!]]> DjDemonD General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:59:35 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742212#msg-742212 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742212#msg-742212
Kolbi Does the thing that was printed badly have a use? how many times have you printed that thing? Does it have a use if printed well?
if not shame on you, design(print) less junk.]]> MechaBits General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:25:04 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742210#msg-742210 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742210#msg-742210 DjDemonD General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:13:33 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742209#msg-742209 Re: Fastest 3D-Printer in the World https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?1,741615,742209#msg-742209 Kolbi General Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:02:55 -0500