SoM Y axis rebuild I took the ball screw out of SoM's Y axis to convert it to belt drive. While I was at it I cut a new bed plate from 1/4" MIC6 plate and designed new support structure using a kinematic mount similar to the one in UMMD. I used the same 750W, line powered heater I used in UMMD which should get the plate up to ABS print temperature in about 3 minutes. The new bed plate is the same size as the heater- 300x300 mm, with ears for the leveling screws and hold-down springs. I'll be attaching a TCO to the heater with high temperature silicone to prevent a disaster if the SSR that switches power to the heater fails. heater%2Bmounted.jpg mod_embed_images_loadimage('f3a24072479186748a79fb303cb77b60', '/forum/thumbcache/a1a/1e3/a86/ab4/cbf/7a1/9f3/431/15f/0eb/8a_800x400.png', 'https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3oatdhWmYk8/W_NuZtDw47I/AAAAAAAAX5I/DQyzHrECAAsFdoVbMaQuOt0GpACZJjT9ACLcBGAs/s1600/heater%2Bmounted.jpg', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?14,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=https%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-3oatdhWmYk8%2FW_NuZtDw47I%2FAAAAAAAAX5I%2FDQyzHrECAAsFdoVbMaQuOt0GpACZJjT9ACLcBGAs%2Fs1600%2Fheater%252Bmounted.jpg', '', 839099, 800, 400, 'Loading image ...', false); The original 1/4" thick carriage plate was mounted on top of the bed supports which put it very close to the bed heater. This time I opted to use 2.5 mm aluminum and put the carriage plate on the bearing blocks, moving it far from the bed heater. carriage%2Bassembly.jpg mod_embed_images_loadimage('2aa3f3ef954c05ff10caf3c623ad8af5', '/forum/thumbcache/089/add/623/cc1/67d/826/9cd/d03/be9/bf8/dd_800x400.png', 'https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gwCSuxpa8B4/W_Nt8ZMMYUI/AAAAAAAAX5A/X9ZkbRAjDeYE3vAgZtewfJwlIsYKe6vlgCLcBGAs/s1600/carriage%2Bassembly.jpg', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?14,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=https%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-gwCSuxpa8B4%2FW_Nt8ZMMYUI%2FAAAAAAAAX5A%2FX9ZkbRAjDeYE3vAgZtewfJwlIsYKe6vlgCLcBGAs%2Fs1600%2Fcarriage%252Bassembly.jpg', '', 839099, 800, 400, 'Loading image ...', false); The leveling screws are threaded into/through Teflon blocks that won't soften or melt when the screws get hot. The supports are made from 2" square aluminum tubing. Springs hold the bed plate down onto the leveling screw heads. It remains to be seen whether the spring force will cause the plate to flex enough to affect printing. reference%2Bassembly.jpg mod_embed_images_loadimage('bec9fc932164f536ff910371d7632215', '/forum/thumbcache/10b/888/b8c/634/659/7ae/711/a30/2c4/e5b/46_800x400.png', 'https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iWDdBjgZE_M/W_NvDtij7-I/AAAAAAAAX6E/4Ea6xh-iyMssvWz2p2pww6Vj4wtCncyCgCEwYBhgL/s1600/reference%2Bassembly.jpg', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?14,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=https%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-iWDdBjgZE_M%2FW_NvDtij7-I%2FAAAAAAAAX6E%2F4Ea6xh-iyMssvWz2p2pww6Vj4wtCncyCgCEwYBhgL%2Fs1600%2Freference%252Bassembly.jpg', '', 839099, 800, 400, 'Loading image ...', false); The holes for the leveling screws in the aluminum tube supports are oversized so the screws don't touch the aluminum. reference%2Bbase.jpg mod_embed_images_loadimage('baf761917436274f4c6af8f977ac92a7', '/forum/thumbcache/446/76b/280/cba/6d5/285/aff/192/713/673/87_800x400.png', 'https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Q3tJepWlAnc/W_NvD087IVI/AAAAAAAAX58/T-qYir9P8yAe4-W-K2sSUnoHIkYjp2VewCEwYBhgL/s1600/reference%2Bbase.jpg', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?14,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=https%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Q3tJepWlAnc%2FW_NvD087IVI%2FAAAAAAAAX58%2FT-qYir9P8yAe4-W-K2sSUnoHIkYjp2VewCEwYBhgL%2Fs1600%2Freference%252Bbase.jpg', '', 839099, 800, 400, 'Loading image ...', false); The belt clamp will probably attach to the carriage plate. I haven't settled on the final design for the clamp yet, but it will probably be a self-locking type that folds the ends of the belt over on themselves. https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839099#msg-839099 Fri, 09 Oct 2026 13:27:48 -0400 Phorum 5.2.23 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839708#msg-839708 Re: SoM Y axis rebuild https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839708#msg-839708
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You're referring to the Maxwell type kinematic mount. Those are effective, too, but harder (for me) to make. You have to be able to mill the slots in the plate at accurate 120 degree angles.

If the angles are not exactly 120 degrees then I believe the Maxwell mount will still work, however there will be a slight rotation of the bed when the temperature differential changes. I don't think this would matter any more than the slight linear shift that you get using a Kelvin kinematic coupling.

You're absolutely right I simply didn't look hard enough :P Im so used to seeing Maxwell type mounts I just defaulted to that!

There are a few methods to make the maxwell type mount a little easier to manufacture. You can use Rollers in place of the V which is much easier or you can use V slot inserts.

It should still work if you move away from 120 deg angles but you might be right about twisting.

I really like this - nice work. Have you considered spacing the support points out accross the bed a bit more?]]> Ed3D Mechanics Mon, 26 Nov 2018 15:18:22 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839701#msg-839701 Re: SoM Y axis rebuild https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839701#msg-839701
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You're referring to the Maxwell type kinematic mount. Those are effective, too, but harder (for me) to make. You have to be able to mill the slots in the plate at accurate 120 degree angles.

If the angles are not exactly 120 degrees then I believe the Maxwell mount will still work, however there will be a slight rotation of the bed when the temperature differential changes. I don't think this would matter any more than the slight linear shift that you get using a Kelvin kinematic coupling.]]> dc42 Mechanics Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:51:36 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839699#msg-839699 Re: SoM Y axis rebuild https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839699#msg-839699
What I made is a Kelvin type kinematic mount. It's a lot easier to make because there's only one slot and it runs parallel to the mill's X axis.

How is the bed overconstrained?]]> the_digital_dentist Mechanics Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:33:52 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839697#msg-839697 Re: SoM Y axis rebuild https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839697#msg-839697 Currently I think you're slightly over-constraining the bed still so it may be beneficial to switch to three sets of rollers / grooves rather than what you have at the moment. Edit: Nah you're good.]]> Ed3D Mechanics Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:25:37 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839099#msg-839099 SoM Y axis rebuild https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,839099,839099#msg-839099
The new bed plate is the same size as the heater- 300x300 mm, with ears for the leveling screws and hold-down springs. I'll be attaching a TCO to the heater with high temperature silicone to prevent a disaster if the SSR that switches power to the heater fails.




The original 1/4" thick carriage plate was mounted on top of the bed supports which put it very close to the bed heater. This time I opted to use 2.5 mm aluminum and put the carriage plate on the bearing blocks, moving it far from the bed heater.





The leveling screws are threaded into/through Teflon blocks that won't soften or melt when the screws get hot. The supports are made from 2" square aluminum tubing. Springs hold the bed plate down onto the leveling screw heads. It remains to be seen whether the spring force will cause the plate to flex enough to affect printing.




The holes for the leveling screws in the aluminum tube supports are oversized so the screws don't touch the aluminum.




The belt clamp will probably attach to the carriage plate. I haven't settled on the final design for the clamp yet, but it will probably be a self-locking type that folds the ends of the belt over on themselves.
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