Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? Hi all, it's been a while since I've ordered these bushings in the dimensions 8*12*15: [attachment 111263 b8fe83fdae225089cd39338b04747a8f-600-600.jpeg] [www.robotdigg.com] I've been trying to design a couple of holders in which the bushings are press-fit into a slightly smaller hole. The thing is, no matter how correct I line then up, the bushings keep binding to the hard-chromed rods. I have a few sets of hard chromed rods, with different specifications and this happens to all of the rods I've tried so far. From what I understood bronze bushings are better for hard chromed linear rods than plastic type and I don't want to use LM8UU's this time. I've been also looking at making them 'click' into a holder, maybe this leaves the bearings a little bit less tight so it might bind less fast..? I'm not sure if this is going to work at all, maybe I should just put the bearings in a small pipe and fix the pipe in the 3D-printed part. It just seems like a printed part might not be straight enough even though my printer is absolutely square and configured really well. Models of bushing holders I tried for example: [attachment 111264 y-carriage_bushingholders_v11.jpg] Right now I'm only trying to get these to work on my Y-axis, but I've also tried to make a nice coreXY machine with these nifty little things and it hasn't worked out for me in the past. Since I have ordered around 24 a few years back, they're just laying around staring at me all the time and I thought it was about time to start doing something with them since I have bought all these expensive linear rods in the past and I feel like I'm wasting away those rods if I just use LM8UU's all the time. Does anyone have tips for me on how to get this to work? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,852877#msg-852877 Thu, 13 Aug 2026 23:35:20 -0400 Phorum 5.2.23 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,854186#msg-854186 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,854186#msg-854186 This:
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is a good example of a bad use of it (not strong) and a waste !
You have to make the hole of the bearing holders oversized, smear the inside and the bushings outside with epoxy, install the bushings in them, then install the smooth rod through the bushings and let the epoxy hardens.]]> MKSA Mechanics Wed, 29 May 2019 08:22:48 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,854023#msg-854023 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,854023#msg-854023
Haven't found any epoxy glue that is available at a good price (it's either bulk cans of a liter or so or buying a small double-barreled dispenser for €15~20) plus shipping cost.. This is not worth it. I can obsess about every little detail and it's going to be too expensive.

I have printed four new bushing holders and will try to install these soon when I am going to replace the kapton tape on my print bed. It got damaged pretty good when I was working on my machine two weeks ago and I'm going to remove the spring-loaded bed and turn it into a fixed bed with brass standoff nuts (since I have an inductive proximity sensor now and an all aluminium bed anyway). Might as well add some (uncompressed) cork in between since I have a huge slice of that laying around.

I'll update when I got it to work :)]]> Ohmarinus Mechanics Sun, 26 May 2019 05:07:14 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853961#msg-853961 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853961#msg-853961 Trakyan Mechanics Fri, 24 May 2019 20:51:24 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853929#msg-853929 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853929#msg-853929
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... "non-parallel" binding can be avoided by designing one rail "fixed" and the other with some "play" towards the fixed one (evantually supported with springs for heavy masses) ...

Indeed, I make my own using Igus filament that I can integrate directly thus further saving weight and they work fine.

Similar shape in sintered bronze can be used too. Can be found in electric appliance motor.

Straight bushings are fine too but require the proper technique to mount/align and a rigid frame to keep them that way.

Unlike LM series that will straighten the flexible improperly built/aligned frame even make their own track on soft SS bars, they will bind. Even less forgiving if made with Igus material.

This for the fixed guide, the other, indeed just a flat bearing. Easy to make, just crush a piece of Igus filament and you got your flat bearing.]]> MKSA Mechanics Fri, 24 May 2019 08:20:38 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853913#msg-853913 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853913#msg-853913 VDX Mechanics Fri, 24 May 2019 04:50:50 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853911#msg-853911 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853911#msg-853911 Trakyan Mechanics Fri, 24 May 2019 04:34:00 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853857#msg-853857 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853857#msg-853857 here some from Igus ;)]]> VDX Mechanics Thu, 23 May 2019 04:06:08 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853855#msg-853855 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853855#msg-853855
Aside from putting the second bushing in a slot rather than a hole sized for the bushing, you could also forgo the second bushing altogether. You could replace it with block (technically a bushing, but different sort) that sits on top of the second rail. This of course only works for rods that are in horizontal plane, rather than vertical plane. The solidoodle 2 (i think?) did this. Simple, very forgiving but depending on where your center of mass is and your acceleration, the block can lift off the rail during acceleration/deceleration. You could always add some kind of preload holding it against the rail. This second solution in theory is a bit more forgiving to misalignment, without sacrificing accuracy, because it is less overconstrained. That being said, a second bushing in a slot seems a bit more elegant.

Also, like you said, a more "flexible" bushing could be used for the second bushing. There are some 3D printed bushings on thingiverse with what look like angled fins that hold the rail. These seems like they could have some radial give as to absorb misalignment, the fins could also be designed to bend and get preloaded by the rod, as to remove the slight bit of play bronze bushings need to have.]]> Trakyan Mechanics Thu, 23 May 2019 03:27:56 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853182#msg-853182 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853182#msg-853182
I think the main problem comes from multi-part printing on a non-perfect surface (who has one?? lol), the carriers will always tip very slightly out alignment with each other once fastened to something. I've even had trouble with one piece systems, maybe reaching the limits of FDM accuracy, bushings have no forgiveness. :)]]> Diggrr Mechanics Wed, 15 May 2019 01:37:45 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853181#msg-853181 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853181#msg-853181
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Did you mount the bushings with the rods flat on a table or did you mount the rods in the machine first and only then glued it? I also notice your bushings are longer than mine, maybe that makes them less bindy.

I had the rods mounted securely to the axis plates on each end and on a flat surface, but not installed in the machine. You want them in their final position to make sure the rods are parallel and planar so the bushings line up to them correctly. In the machine would be fine as long as you have room to work.

I had another thought for easier alignment. Design the hole of your bushing mounts to be 1mm or two larger than the bushing, with a small hole on the side. You can insert a silicone or glue into that small side hole. This should let them self-align inside the holder without the need for an epoxy. Just assemble everything first, without belts, then add glue/silicone.]]> Diggrr Mechanics Wed, 15 May 2019 01:14:37 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853120#msg-853120 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853120#msg-853120
Not sure if I explained this very well.]]> Trakyan Mechanics Mon, 13 May 2019 18:53:40 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853059#msg-853059 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853059#msg-853059
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I noticed some time ago, the original corexy epoxied the bushings to the carriage plate instead of trying to constrain them in a holder. It would seem smarter to let gravity do the perfect alignments (assuming the rods are perfectly parallel).

I've also built an X axis trying this method, and it glides so smooth and fast, it's quite ridiculous. Soon I'll be getting back to that project.

Edit: Here's a pic of my solution, epoxied while oriented vertically above one side's bushings, then to the other side's bushings. The carriage was modeled with 1mm extra clearance for the epoxy.

Indeed, that was the first thing I noticed too when I first made a CoreXY design in 2014. The original uses epoxy. However, I've never worked with epoxy and I'm a bit afraid of it somehow. I shall see if I can source some over here for a good price. In my country everything slightly industrial cannot be bought at stores. The Netherlands is a terrible country to live in when you're a DIY type of person and it's really hard to find sellers that sell more industrial type of goods without having minimum order quantities or forcing you to only be able to buy it with a business account.

Did you mount the bushings with the rods flat on a table or did you mount the rods in the machine first and only then glued it? I also notice your bushings are longer than mine, maybe that makes them less bindy.]]> Ohmarinus Mechanics Mon, 13 May 2019 04:37:52 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853041#msg-853041 Re: Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,853041#msg-853041
I've also built an X axis trying this method, and it glides so smooth and fast, it's quite ridiculous. Soon I'll be getting back to that project.

Edit: Here's a pic of my solution, epoxied while oriented vertically above one side's bushings, then to the other side's bushings. The carriage was modeled with 1mm extra clearance for the epoxy.]]> Diggrr Mechanics Mon, 13 May 2019 00:57:16 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,852877#msg-852877 Best way to make use of these Powdered Bronze Bushings? https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?14,852877,852877#msg-852877
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I've been trying to design a couple of holders in which the bushings are press-fit into a slightly smaller hole. The thing is, no matter how correct I line then up, the bushings keep binding to the hard-chromed rods. I have a few sets of hard chromed rods, with different specifications and this happens to all of the rods I've tried so far. From what I understood bronze bushings are better for hard chromed linear rods than plastic type and I don't want to use LM8UU's this time.

I've been also looking at making them 'click' into a holder, maybe this leaves the bearings a little bit less tight so it might bind less fast..? I'm not sure if this is going to work at all, maybe I should just put the bearings in a small pipe and fix the pipe in the 3D-printed part. It just seems like a printed part might not be straight enough even though my printer is absolutely square and configured really well.
Models of bushing holders I tried for example:
[attachment 111264 y-carriage_bushingholders_v11.jpg]

Right now I'm only trying to get these to work on my Y-axis, but I've also tried to make a nice coreXY machine with these nifty little things and it hasn't worked out for me in the past. Since I have ordered around 24 a few years back, they're just laying around staring at me all the time and I thought it was about time to start doing something with them since I have bought all these expensive linear rods in the past and I feel like I'm wasting away those rods if I just use LM8UU's all the time.

Does anyone have tips for me on how to get this to work?]]> Ohmarinus Mechanics Fri, 10 May 2019 12:13:59 -0400