Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

ef9366 — Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:49:58 -0500

Hello,

this discussion does not seem to be active anymore, but if somebody is interested in my findings:

I was trying to setup Teacup on a Mendel with Gen3 electronics. Everything was working fine with FiveD firmware, but I was just looking for a toolchain, running more stable with Win7 64bit and being a bit more up-to-date.
I got everything up and running (X-,Y-,Z-steppers and min/max endstops, extruder and heated bed heater and thermistor seems to work, but is not yet correctly set up).
The only problem I had so far is the extruder stepper motor, which was not moving at all. I tried every Teacup commit, mentioned in this thread, all mentioned configuration files, I checked an double checked all pin settings, also against my FiveD settings.

Nothing worked, UNTIL today: I tuned up the potentiometer on the extruder controller a little bit and suddenly everything works fine !

So now I can confirm, that the latest Teacup commit on Github (1eaf711923) is working with Gen3 electronics. (compiled with Arduino0021 IDE)

Greetings,

Holger

(I hope the setup of the thermistors an heaters does not kick me back too much)

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Traumflug — Thu, 23 May 2013 07:14:17 -0400

You apparently use an Arduino library made for Arduino 1.0+ while using an earlier Arduino IDE.

Teacup doesn't use the Arduino libs at all, still the IDE compiles it on every build. Using the Makefile is another option to get rid of this problem.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Wed, 22 May 2013 20:58:46 -0400

Right, that was with 0022, with 0018 it simply doesn't recognize arduino.h

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Wed, 22 May 2013 20:42:12 -0400

Hey all, it's been a while. I finally had time to look back at this printer, and I can't get NoobMan's code to compile.

"Teacup_Firmware.cpp:3:22: error: WProgram.h: No such file or directory"

From what I understand WProgram.h needs to be changed to arduino.h, but.... I can't find a reference to WProgram anywhere is his code.

Any ideas?

Edit: According to Notepad++ no files in the project or the sanguino core reference WProgram.h

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

NoobMan — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 17:34:09 -0500

I have been using Teacup (tyvm for it) since a long time now on my gen 3 vanilla.

I have just changed that zip file to reflect my entire firmware folder with the config files included. That is if you dont want to browse the git for various releases to pair with.

I think i had it compiled with arduino 0018 or 19 (which was latest at that time), but not quite sure i remember it right. As currently i only keep arduino 0022 and 1.0.3 installed, i checked with 0022 and it compiles just fine. So if you install arduino 0022 (@ different location than 1.0x) it should compile with it and i bet will work too. Sry i have nothing else up to date. I havent been fiddling with the firmware at all for like one year or more, coz thats how happy i am with Teacup, just never felt the need to change anything.

You should double check the pins def, especially for heaters, i think i made some changes there (sry fuzzy memory of mine, i had one fet burned at that time). If you dont want the heated bed, you need to comment it out but also change the thermistor table accordingly to only 1 thermistor table. Also obviously you need to alter most settings like steps per mm etc.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:22:38 -0500

@NoobMan

Thanks for the upload. I should be done this product launch in a month or so, and I can take a look then. If you are feeling ambitious before then let me know and I will upload my files :)

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

NoobMan — Wed, 06 Feb 2013 23:04:57 -0500

Ups. I cant believe ppls still try use gen 3 ;)

old version config files gen 3

Here are config files i used on my diy gen 3, but do note these are for a very very old version of Teacup and probably shouldnt copy the files directly coz there might be newer options. I'd advise to checkout / duplicate those temperature settings, and use the gen3 config file supplied with your version of firmware instead. The area about temperature sensors and heaters, and have the thermistor table reflect 2 thermistors. First part is the extruder thermistor which i customized/corrected by having a thermocouple inside then setting each table temperature in firmware and read actual temperature obtained there, and then replacing the read value * 4 in the table instead).

In case you cant make it work, send pm and attach the version of teacup you are trying to use and ill try modify it myself. Teacup is so good that since i changed from fived and uploaded teacup i never changed it again, and i think its like almost one2 years now.

Good luck.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Mon, 28 Jan 2013 16:20:01 -0500

I've been swamped with product launches, maybe next month i can get to this. Has anyone had a look in the mean time?

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 10:56:24 -0500

Oh, yeah, good idea. I did notice that I had to copy in some extra files sometimes. When I get a chance to dig back into it I'll look at that too.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Traumflug — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 06:53:33 -0500

Looks like you get closer to the problem, Adam. Great!

As you're back in the history, can you check how close equally-named files in the main folder and in the extruder folder are? I somewhat remember they should be the same. But changing a file in the main folder doesn't change that in the extruder folder, so they get misaligned over time.

To have then always aligned, you can create e.g. a file dda.c in the extruder folder with the one-line contents:

#include "../dda.c"

Doing that would solve your type of problem once and for all.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:20:41 -0500

OK I think the issue is right here:

Nov 17, 2011 Link to the Github page

This commit will intermittently spin the extruder once then crash the machine..
dda.c: also reset startpoint_steps.E on relative extruder movements. …
1ee4668e21 Browse code
Traumflug authored a year ago

This commit spins the extruder...
dda.c: fix a typo in update_current_position().
64b1a23cd3 Browse code
Traumflug authored a year ago

This commit crashes the machine, but i think Traumflug fixed it in the commit above
Store distances in the TARGET strucure in micrometers for all axes. …
4e5f51f01e Browse code
Traumflug authored a year ago

Can someone maybe confirm this finding? I may try to look into the code, but I don't know if I'll have time today. If someone could atleast confirm the working/not working status of this I can look into it later.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:02:05 -0500

OK, I've narrowed it down to between Nov 12 and Dec 6 2011, the extruder spins on Nov 12; but on Dec 6, Nov 21, Nov 17 the machine acts kind of glitchy.

I think I may have knocked a wire loose after my Nov 12 2011 test so I am going to go over the printer before I check anymore of the commits. But for now atleast the Nov 12 2011 was a working build, and I know the issue is between Nov 12 and Dec 6 2011. If anyone gets bored and starts checking in this range for the issue let me know.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Sat, 29 Dec 2012 21:37:00 -0500

Ok I figured out how Git Hub works. So far this is what I've found

March 03 2012, extruder won't spin, machine crashes.

April 11 2011, extruder won't spin machine freezes.

Feb 20/11, Feb 17/11, Dec 1/10, won't compile back to Arduino 018, i think these are a compiler issue, and Arduino 17 and before won't run on my Win 7 box.

I think I'm done for tonight, tomorrow is another day.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Sat, 29 Dec 2012 20:13:21 -0500

mhm, so, when you go to a commit, then click on files, that's bringing you to the latest files again isn't it?

If it is, how do you have to manually enter in the code changes?

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:31:13 -0500

Ok, I'll start rooting around latr today after I test the new stepper drivers for my laser cutter

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

sirbj — Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:09:44 -0500

GMT Wrote:
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>
> You may try to use the 5D firmware to make sure
> that the electronics side is working. How do you
> made the wiring connections between the MB and EC?
>
>
> Im using that way:
> [reprap.org]

Hey

I have had some problems with the 5D firmware,
when I try to compile the firmware I get lots of errors, and there for I cant upload it.

could I maybe get all of the 5D firmware that you use.

With regard to teacup firmware and the possibility of it being a fuses problem,
what would you chanse the fuses to for the extruder (atmega168) bootloader.

//SirBj

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

sirbj — Sat, 29 Dec 2012 09:58:13 -0500

Adam.m.Nelson Wrote:
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> How do you find the old commits on git hub? I'll
> go through and try to find the issue with the Gen3
> compatibility...

Hey

if you go here: https://github.com/triffid/Teacup_Firmware/commits/master

all of the commits for the master is listed.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Thu, 27 Dec 2012 21:37:54 -0500

How do you find the old commits on git hub? I'll go through and try to find the issue with the Gen3 compatibility...

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:42:37 -0500

If x axis is your issue make sure you have your end stops set right. If you have it set for one endstop, and its inverted the axis will only move one way.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

GMT — Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:40:25 -0500

extrudator Wrote:
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> I am also trying to get my Gen3 electronics to
> work with the latest Teacup firmware. Luckily
> there still seem to be some people using this
> combination. I'm at the point where I have the
> problem Mattieu decribed some days ago: The
> firmware won't compile, breaking up with the error
> message "gcode_process.c:475: error:
> 'HEATER_extruder' undeclared". I don't understand
> this message since 'HEATER_extruder' does not
> appear in gcode_process.c but 'HEATER_EXTRUDER'
> which is the variable. In config.h the value
> 'HEATER_extruder' is assigned to the variable
> 'HEATER_EXTRUDER'.
>
> @Mattieu: How did you solve this problem at the
> end?

Try using this [forums.reprap.org]

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

GMT — Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:36:43 -0500

sirbj Wrote:
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> On the extruder I am using the DMOS Full-Bridge
> Motor Driver A3949 (as specified in the build),
> dont know if it a problem have heard that they can
> be a problem. Any ideas on what to replace them
> whit if they are dead or do you know if it can be
> hook up to run whit out.
>
> //SirBj

You may try to use the 5D firmware to make sure that the electronics side is working. How do you made the wiring connections between the MB and EC?

Im using that way: [reprap.org]

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

GMT — Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:29:35 -0500

Adam.m.Nelson Wrote:
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> GMT, was the problem that you had the extruder not
> spinning? And this fixed it?
No i didn't had this problem. My extruder worked from the beginning, only X axis was the problem. Maybe you can try to check the same fuses configuration in your extruder bootloader.

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Matthieu — Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:11:18 -0500

Hi,

To my great shame I did not solve it, I am still on 5D.

I plan on testing GMT solution whenever I have time, though

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

extrudator — Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:41:52 -0500

I am also trying to get my Gen3 electronics to work with the latest Teacup firmware. Luckily there still seem to be some people using this combination. I'm at the point where I have the problem Mattieu decribed some days ago: The firmware won't compile, breaking up with the error message "gcode_process.c:475: error: 'HEATER_extruder' undeclared". I don't understand this message since 'HEATER_extruder' does not appear in gcode_process.c but 'HEATER_EXTRUDER' which is the variable. In config.h the value 'HEATER_extruder' is assigned to the variable 'HEATER_EXTRUDER'.

@Mattieu: How did you solve this problem at the end?

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

sirbj — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:13:28 -0500

Hey

Thanks for the fast respond.

It is the same version of the firmware I have tried it whit.

And yes I am using 115200bps

Info:
elektronick 3 gen:
Motherboard v1.2
Extruder controller v2.2
Stepper motor driver v2.3
Opto endstop v2.1
Hardware:
drive motor: stepper motor - tested and are working
extruder motor: stepper motor - tested and are working

Config:
I used the config that you put up for the motherboard, and the standard for the extruder controller.

Problem:
The extruder motor is not spinning at all.

Working:
All else is working fin I can even control the temperature on the extruder.

On the extruder I am using the DMOS Full-Bridge Motor Driver A3949 (as specified in the build), dont know if it a problem have heard that they can be a problem. Any ideas on what to replace them whit if they are dead or do you know if it can be hook up to run whit out.

//SirBj

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

Adam.m.Nelson — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:10:27 -0500

GMT, was the problem that you had the extruder not spinning? And this fixed it?

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

GMT — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:36:08 -0500

sirbj Wrote:
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> Hey
>
> Have just tried the way you describe whit the
> newest firmware of teacup,
> it did not work for me, maybe it is the version,
> or something i do wrong.
>
> Maybe it can be the software i use to control the
> reprap, I use the ready to go version of Printrun
> for windows from March 2012, what do you use??
>
> I am on a 64-bit system running windows 7.
>
> //SirBj

[github.com]
The master branch.

Unfortunately there is no release version or tag on GIT then i dont know how to say which version is it but the last commit is ba05d6a0cda7e0e339efd3d311b1ad99edb5d02d.

Maybe Traumflug have a technique to identify this current working version and can help us.

I'm using ReplicatorG 0040 and Pronterface (the same as you, March 2012) both working.

Can you describe exaclty what is your electronics, configuration and what is happening?

Obs: are you using 115200bps?

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

sirbj — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 13:19:15 -0500

Hey

Have just tried the way you describe whit the newest firmware of teacup,
it did not work for me, maybe it is the version, or something i do wrong.

Maybe it can be the software i use to control the reprap, I use the ready to go version of Printrun for windows from March 2012, what do you use??

I am on a 64-bit system running windows 7.

//SirBj

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

sirbj — Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:07:35 -0500

hey

Whit which version of teacup is it working.
Please share all.

//SirBj

Re: Configuring Teacup Firmware for Gen3 electronics.

GMT — Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:10:10 -0500

Problem solved! Its a fuse configuration, the default configuration of sanguino is with JTAG enabled. You have to disable the JTAG interface. It uses tha same ports as X axis.

Go to the sanguino folder (arduino-1.0.1\hardware\sanguino\boards.txt), change the fuses config on boards.txt ([attachment 11448 boards.txt]) and burn again the bootloader to set the new fuses configuration.

Teacup Works on Gen3 boards! :D

Old mendel back to the job!

So:
Arduino-1.0.1
Sanguino folder (change the default fuses to disable JTAG) [attachment 11448 boards.txt]
this [forums.reprap.org]
Burn the bootloader again
Upload the code to the board

Thats it!

Bye guys!