Printable ceramic hot end

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Buback — Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:40:55 -0400

I found some old files from when i was designing a plaster cast for an extruder. I don't remember much about what i was doing, but i thought i'd put the files up here for those who want to experiment.

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I'm assuming that the bottom hole was to screw in either the nozzle itself, or a threaded rod of the right diameter, so that you had interior threads that you could screw the nozzle into after it dried.

You would also want a ptfe insert, but it doesn't look like i got around to a jig piece that would hold that in the center while casting.

Sketchup file is below.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

MattMoses — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 17:37:20 -0400

I made this proof-of-principle hot end with an electroformed copper nozzle and a cast plaster heat break.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

jzatopa — Fri, 14 Mar 2014 11:32:17 -0400

There are a few clay extruders out there if you look, I would love to play with one someday but considering the fact that I don't have a kiln it may be a while. A mold may be a better way of producing a hotend barrel. I am not so sure I would try to make a heater out of ceramic. You could possibly print a mold out of PLA. From a quick search through the internet I would recommend porcelain.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

bryanandaimee — Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:33:05 -0400

I've been thinking about a cast hot end using muffler cement. Probably won't get around to it for a while but it's on the list of things I might try.

Bryan

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Buback — Fri, 07 Mar 2014 17:45:15 -0500

I've had too many ideas and too many project (not to mention life and job) so this one never got past the modeling stage.

Is there any interest still? it seems that there are a number of machinists selling good reliable hot ends now. And you would still have to drill and .4mm hole in a threaded rod to make the nozzle, even if you had cast the heat break. Back then there were a lot of people with failed ptfe-style hot ends that had an extra nozzle that they could recycle.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

bentbob — Thu, 06 Mar 2014 20:30:36 -0500

hi,

plaster will probably work for a while @200c it loses chemical water and ceases to be plaster.
steatite (soapstone) should work well, hi temp ,easy machining, <2w/m^2, and any welding supply will have it.
it's also available as clay.
please share results,

thanx,
bob

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Igor Lobanov — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:40:53 -0500

@Buback,

I've found very interesting ceramic materials online, including those with very high working temperature ranges. For example, on cotronics.com. However, it doesn't look like there's a way to buy those in retail amounts, not in the UK anyway. Haven't spoken with them yet, though. Will try at some point once my reprap is operational and I manage to build a claystruder.

@nophead,

That's correct, but it's still 'Prusa with linear bearings' or 'Prusa with new z-couplings', only changes to the standard are highlighted. The same will happen with Prusa 2.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

nophead — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:06:16 -0500

@Igor,
If you look at all the Prusa parts for sale you will see a wide variation. Some with PLA bushings, some with Josef's new linear bearing parts, some with Greg Frosts alternative linear bearing parts and extruder, different z-couplings, different vertex styles and so on. And then there is the Prusa version 2 where nearly all the parts have changed in some way and it needs a different bill of materials and assembly instructions.

There are less variations of the Sell's Mendel but there are two versions of the X axis and the extruder parts. You will see both for sale.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Buback — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:00:43 -0500

well i have very little experience with plaster, but from recent reading i've learned that gypsum plaster (plaster of paris) will break down back into powder around 200C (i think :S )

Vic used cement and pearlite, with wire reinforcement. I may start there, with fiberglass fabric instead of wire, and a ptfe liner.

Another option that I've heard about but know little about is dental plaster. it sets very quickly, but generates a lot of heat which might melt or distort printed PLA forms. it also might not stand up to ABS temps, which i think are a bare minimum for an extruder hot end these days.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Igor Lobanov — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 11:00:24 -0500

@Buback

That's interesting. What sort of plaster you're going to use? Gypsum?

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Buback — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 10:28:04 -0500

I'm interested in trying a cast plaster hot end. Not the nozzle, just the insulator. Vik Oliver made a wiki page about a similar experiment he did back in 2006, but there's no conclusion on how well it worked, and a lot has changed with hot ends since then.

my extruder is kaput, but when i get the new one installed i'll print out a form and give it a try. I'd like to have a working backup on hand for the next time the hot end fails.

edit: here's the wiki page
[reprap.org]

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Igor Lobanov — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 09:52:45 -0500

@nophead

There may be no de jure standard build, but de facto standard Prusa build is definitely as it described on the wiki. Similar thing is for electronics and extruders with a bit of variety. I know it as I'd spent ages shopping around for printed parts and electronics kit. Whenever someone offering you a set of printed parts for Prusa, you can expect it to be the same as described.

On the other hand, I see what you mean. There's no release process, and no releasing body for specifications, as it is for, say, open source software. I believe the key reason is that the community is relatively small and even in terms of skills, i.e. little or no 'casual users' around.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

nophead — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:22:26 -0500

There is no "standard" build.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Igor Lobanov — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 06:20:37 -0500

Well, that's understandable, designing parts is tough :)

On the other hand, while it's still not clear for me how novel part designs gets incorporated into the 'standard' build, apparently lots of people do hack around printer parts and make substantial improvements.

Re: Printable ceramic hot end

Traumflug — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:17:04 -0500

RepRap is pretty much focussed on extruding thermoplastics only. Hooking up a silicone extruder, epoxy extruder od a milling spindle would be almost trivial, but interest in doing such things is apparently low.

Also, people are apparently exhausted by "it prints!". They're more exited by printing octopusses or a feminine body model than by designing technical parts :)

OK, the above is a bit exaggerated, but not entirely untrue. :)

Printable ceramic hot end

Igor Lobanov — Sun, 08 Jan 2012 18:28:39 -0500

Dear All,

I've only just started building my own first Prusa, so my observations might be incorrect, but it seems that the most "vitamin-hungry" part of the RepRap as it is now is the extruder and hot end in particular. On the other hand, apparently, lots of progress has been made by the community in the area of clay/paste extruding. Those devices are perfectly capable of working with ceramics and epoxies.

On the other hand there are quite a few of ceramic materials out there that exhibit interesting heat conductivity properties. I mean that there are good heat insulators as well, as good heat conductors with healthy working temperatures range. Consequently it is probably possible (and feasible) to produce hot end for a platic extruder using those ceramics.

It looks like by having printable hot ends RepRap could be even more self-reproducible. However, I did a brief research only and haven't found any work in this direction. Is it something that already has been tried and rejected for some reason or it's just something that needs to be done?

Best regards,
Igor