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        <title>Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
        <description> Dear all,

I have noticed some strange imperfections on side-walls of my prints. I was hoping someone can help me out to resolve these...

These imperfections are only visible when the light shines at a specific range of angles to the surface. They look quite random - so it is difficult to discern the source of the problem. Some pictures incl. a scope image of the side-wall-cut are attached. Hi-res pictures are here:
[www.flickr.com] 

Here is some information about my reprap:
- CoreXY with two belts on two levels;
- X and Y-axis both extremely rigid (12mm linear shafts)
- Z-axis with two 16mm shafts and a single 16mm ball-screw
- All motors driven by the TI-driver DRV8825 at 12V at their rated current (2A NEMA17)
- Custom extruder milled from two aluminium blocks and driven by a geared stepper motor
- Tatsu v3 drive-gear (sharp teeth with a very strong grip on the filament - it never grinds)
- E3D hot-end - the heat-break was extra mirror-polished on the inside to provide more smoother extrusion and reduce risk of jams
- Extruder has a strong cooler for the object
- Heated Bed platform with a kapton heater, glass surface with a hair-spray.
- Electronics: Azteeg X3 Pro
- Firmware: Repetier FW 0.91
- Slicer: Slic3r (latest stable release)
- Filament: 1.75mm PLA

- Printing settings: 0.25mm layer height, 0.4mm layer width, 60mm/s, extrusion temp 195-215deg, Bed-temp 60deg.

Some tests I have conducted:
- X-gantry is positioned very precisely and varies only by around 10um when the extruder is driven along the X-axis (measured with dial-indicator in relation to the bed)
- Z-gantry is positioned precisely within 10um and does not vary when the head is driven in the X-Y plane (measured with dial-indicator in relation to the frame)
- Cold-End of the E3D is cooled very efficiently and no filament starving is observed

Any tips are very appreciated!</description>
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            <title>Re: Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?262,521726,522436#msg-522436</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Hmm, maybe no improvement as such but you can see a big difference in appearence.<br />
Which in return, leaves me with the basics.<br />
Print speed, filament settings and temp.<br />
With the correct filament settings I can print from 20 to 150mm/s with little difference in the outside walls.<br />
If there is too much or too little filament used it looks crappy.<br />
Can even be your extruder, although with that construction it should work perfectly.<br />
In my cases, with badly printed gears I noticed problems in all layers due to the retraction used.<br />
There was too much pressure change inside the nozzle or I simply used too much retraction, anyway sometimes the start was too weak and in other cases looked like a blob.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Downunder35m</dc:creator>
            <category>Printing</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:57:55 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?262,521726,522229#msg-522229</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ sorry, i did not mention this: i have changed the feedrate midway to test whether the speed has an effect. But as you can see, there is hardly any improvement.<br />
<br />
The shinier part was printed slower.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>andin</dc:creator>
            <category>Printing</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 10:06:07 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?262,521726,522228#msg-522228</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ For me it is just strange to see a sepearation line between two printed vertical areas.<br />
Usually the problems are consistent but not not in your way.<br />
If all variables are ruled out already it only leaves the hardware, but I doubt your printer would mess with the settings half way thorugh a print.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Downunder35m</dc:creator>
            <category>Printing</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 10:03:41 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Thanks for the replies!<br />
<br />
Extruder steps p. mm:<br />
Yes, these were calibrated and verified.<br />
<br />
Speed:<br />
This test-print was generated @40mm/s which seems to be ok, not too low/high. I also tested different extrusion rates, extrusion width and other speeds, but no reasonable change. The only time I had a good result with a very good surface finish was when using 0.2mm layer width. However, the extruded lines were so thin that they were hardly bonding to each other - such parts are unusable.<br />
<br />
Filament Diameter Variation:<br />
The filament OD would need to vary substantially over a very short length to produce effects as seen on the picture I attached. I guess by a factor of ~20% over a sub-mm range. My filament (supplier: BQ from Spain) varies by around 0.05mm (~3%) every 150mm or so - so we can rule that out.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>andin</dc:creator>
            <category>Printing</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:03:35 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ The layer height looks fairly even from your scope picture and looks like 0.25 from the scale of your dimensions.<br />
The middle points of each layer look vertical and well aligned<br />
<br />
Maybe variation in filament thickness. . .<br />
<br />
?<br />
<br />
-a<br />
<br />
<br />
Edit: 'maybe' added.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>alan richard</dc:creator>
            <category>Printing</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 06:31:14 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?262,521726,522114#msg-522114</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Have you confirmed the steps for the extrusion are properly calibrated?<br />
I get these looks as well when the print speeds for the perimeters is too high / low.<br />
In this case I see the line before the outer perimeter is uneven, which causes the outer layer to do it in a similar way, just not as badly.<br />
In the big pic it also looks the settings have changed half way through the print as both halfs are similar in appearance.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Downunder35m</dc:creator>
            <category>Printing</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 04:43:57 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ i can't believe no one even has a clue...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>andin</dc:creator>
            <category>Printing</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2015 04:17:07 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Strange side-wall imperfections</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?262,521726,521726#msg-521726</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Dear all,<br />
<br />
I have noticed some strange imperfections on side-walls of my prints. I was hoping someone can help me out to resolve these...<br />
<br />
These imperfections are only visible when the light shines at a specific range of angles to the surface. They look quite random - so it is difficult to discern the source of the problem. Some pictures incl. a scope image of the side-wall-cut are attached. Hi-res pictures are here:<br />
[<a href="https://www.flickr.com/gp/133280380@N05/U5QK3A" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">www.flickr.com</a>] <br />
<br />
Here is some information about my reprap:<br />
- CoreXY with two belts on two levels;<br />
- X and Y-axis both extremely rigid (12mm linear shafts)<br />
- Z-axis with two 16mm shafts and a single 16mm ball-screw<br />
- All motors driven by the TI-driver DRV8825 at 12V at their rated current (2A NEMA17)<br />
- Custom extruder milled from two aluminium blocks and driven by a geared stepper motor<br />
- Tatsu v3 drive-gear (sharp teeth with a very strong grip on the filament - it never grinds)<br />
- E3D hot-end - the heat-break was extra mirror-polished on the inside to provide more smoother extrusion and reduce risk of jams<br />
- Extruder has a strong cooler for the object<br />
- Heated Bed platform with a kapton heater, glass surface with a hair-spray.<br />
- Electronics: Azteeg X3 Pro<br />
- Firmware: Repetier FW 0.91<br />
- Slicer: Slic3r (latest stable release)<br />
- Filament: 1.75mm PLA<br />
<br />
- Printing settings: 0.25mm layer height, 0.4mm layer width, 60mm/s, extrusion temp 195-215deg, Bed-temp 60deg.<br />
<br />
Some tests I have conducted:<br />
- X-gantry is positioned very precisely and varies only by around 10um when the extruder is driven along the X-axis (measured with dial-indicator in relation to the bed)<br />
- Z-gantry is positioned precisely within 10um and does not vary when the head is driven in the X-Y plane (measured with dial-indicator in relation to the frame)<br />
- Cold-End of the E3D is cooled very efficiently and no filament starving is observed<br />
<br />
Any tips are very appreciated!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>andin</dc:creator>
            <category>Printing</category>
            <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:39:55 -0400</pubDate>
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