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        <description> Hi all,

Since I didn&#039;t want to hijack the thread on Mendel90 enclosures, I thought I&#039;d start a separate thread on controlling the fumes. I&#039;m too planning to build an enclosure for a while now. But what I want to add is a fume extraction mechanism. I&#039;ve already read a study stating that a desktop 3d printer can be labelled as a &quot;high emitter&quot; of nano sized particles which could be harmful. Since I&#039;m always close to the printer I think I should take care of this risk. So I was thinking of attaching a fan to some air-duct material. But I&#039;m a bit worried about creating a draft inside the print chamber which could disturb the printing process. Is there a smart way for dealing with this? 

Regards,

Nilez</description>
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            <title>Re: Fumes?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>neildarlow</strong><br />
The only thoughts I have are that the hot-end fan will push the fumes down towards the heated bed and they will circulate everywhere from there. I think it might be an idea to vent the case at the centre-rear and let clean air in at the top of the case. A low airflow should prevent too much breeze effect and the incoming cool air will mix with any rising warmer air. I am not sure that the conventional wisdom of pulling the air out of the case top is a good idea when you consider the machine structure and existing forced airflow.<br />
<br />
Regards,<br />
Neil Darlow</div></blockquote>
<br />
Just thinking out loud for a moment - would either a reversible fan (if such a thing exists) or a push/pull configuration where only one is active at a time, located where the current bed fan is mounted be a suitable solution to this?<br />
I'm guessing that for most enclosures people have simply blanked out the existing bed fan intake - if this could be done instead then we don't lose the use of a bed cooling fan?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>QuackingPlums</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2015 04:58:48 -0500</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Fumes?</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,463065#msg-463065</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ [<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKh6kgO77Us" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">www.youtube.com</a>]]]></description>
            <dc:creator>macsoft</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:41:51 -0500</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Fumes?</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,330392#msg-330392</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Is there a TL;DR version which compares the relative toxicity of PLA/ABS nano-particles with say, sitting next to a laser printer, or having the window open next to a busy city street or even just in an office that has air-conditioning? I'm not disputing the science - it'd just be nice if they produced versions for those of us who don't have a solid background in what is considered "normal"... :D]]></description>
            <dc:creator>QuackingPlums</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 12:09:00 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Fumes?</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,330367#msg-330367</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ How about an enclosure +  <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:92081" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">this carbon filter</a> ?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Salocin</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 11:20:20 -0400</pubDate>
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            <guid>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,330269#msg-330269</guid>
            <title>Re: Fumes?</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,330269#msg-330269</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Hi QP,<br />
<br />
Here's a link to one of the papers: [<a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231013005086" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">www.sciencedirect.com</a>]. It concerns the emission of UFP (ultra fine particles) caused by the heating of PLA as well as ABS. Although ABS emits 10 times more. Apart from the fumes, I need to build an enclosure to keep heat in because I'm moving my printer to a garage space.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Nilez</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 08:12:24 -0400</pubDate>
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            <guid>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,330210#msg-330210</guid>
            <title>Re: Fumes?</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,330210#msg-330210</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Does PLA pose the same risk or is it just ABS? If you don't use the fan with ABS (I find that I don't need it) and if the toxicity only applies to this material then the standard overhead fume extraction method won't be such a problem as there won't be a force airflow near the bed to play havoc with the fluid dynamics... :D<br />
<br />
Also, if it's just extraction you need rather than temperature control then is it viable to just have a hood and fan duct above the printer to remove the majority of the fumes?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>QuackingPlums</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 05:15:13 -0400</pubDate>
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            <guid>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,327775#msg-327775</guid>
            <title>Re: Fumes?</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,327775#msg-327775</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Sounds very plausible Neil. Thanks!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Nilez</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:18:17 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Fumes?</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,327678#msg-327678</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ The only thoughts I have are that the hot-end fan will push the fumes down towards the heated bed and they will circulate everywhere from there. I think it might be an idea to vent the case at the centre-rear and let clean air in at the top of the case. A low airflow should prevent too much breeze effect and the incoming cool air will mix with any rising warmer air. I am not sure that the conventional wisdom of pulling the air out of the case top is a good idea when you consider the machine structure and existing forced airflow.<br />
<br />
Regards,<br />
Neil Darlow]]></description>
            <dc:creator>neildarlow</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2014 13:24:01 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Fumes?</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?292,327554,327554#msg-327554</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Hi all,<br />
<br />
Since I didn't want to hijack the thread on Mendel90 enclosures, I thought I'd start a separate thread on controlling the fumes. I'm too planning to build an enclosure for a while now. But what I want to add is a fume extraction mechanism. I've already read a study stating that a desktop 3d printer can be labelled as a "high emitter" of nano sized particles which could be harmful. Since I'm always close to the printer I think I should take care of this risk. So I was thinking of attaching a fan to some air-duct material. But I'm a bit worried about creating a draft inside the print chamber which could disturb the printing process. Is there a smart way for dealing with this? <br />
<br />
Regards,<br />
<br />
Nilez]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Nilez</dc:creator>
            <category>Mendel90</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2014 07:11:15 -0400</pubDate>
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