My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew I've had my Ormerod up and running for about a month, and despite not making heavy use of it, I was starting to detect ugly warning signs in the Z axis - metal dust, visible wear in the threads, noise etc., so I decided to try fixing it before it broke... ebay provided a length of 8mm trapezoidal leadscrew and a matching bronze nut for about £30 quid delivered. I reprinted iamburnys' double helix Z gears, with small mods to accomodate the larger screw size. I sized the centre hole to be the same as the thread root of the leadscrew. Then by gently warming the leadscrew in a gas flame, it was easy to thread the gear straight onto the end of the leadscrew. (Sometimes the low melting point of PLA is an advantage!) The Z axis nut trap needed serious mods, so after some careful measurements, I drew up a new one from scratch and printed it. Luckily it fitted first time. The bronze nut has some serious backlash, but that's not too much of a problem for the Z axis where gravity holds the system in tension, as long as everything moves smoothly. The 'gearing' is now obviously wrong, but the M92 (steps / unit for each axis) command sorts that one out. I've only tried one print so far - the Single Wall Alignment Test at 50% scale and 0.12mm layer height as iamburny mentioned in his thread and it looks pretty good to me. 20140216_001-s.jpg mod_embed_images_loadimage('0a3b8472320bfb43999b2b2166904b33', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?340,module=embed_images,url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ep90.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Formerod%2F20140216_001-s.jpg', 'http://www.ep90.com/assets/images/ormerod/20140216_001-s.jpg', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?340,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ep90.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Formerod%2F20140216_001-s.jpg', '', 311823, 800, 400, 'Loading image ...', false); 20140216_003-s.jpg mod_embed_images_loadimage('ced46755f23de05d6039e06d77d4bd8a', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?340,module=embed_images,url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ep90.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Formerod%2F20140216_003-s.jpg', 'http://www.ep90.com/assets/images/ormerod/20140216_003-s.jpg', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?340,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ep90.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Formerod%2F20140216_003-s.jpg', '', 311823, 800, 400, 'Loading image ...', false); 20140216_004-s.jpg mod_embed_images_loadimage('6e9d678b6a6d7c840de51db5833e053c', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?340,module=embed_images,url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ep90.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Formerod%2F20140216_004-s.jpg', 'http://www.ep90.com/assets/images/ormerod/20140216_004-s.jpg', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?340,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ep90.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Formerod%2F20140216_004-s.jpg', '', 311823, 800, 400, 'Loading image ...', false); 20140216_006-s.jpg mod_embed_images_loadimage('8323b3ff6178f767f3d7c1fbb8aeec26', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?340,module=embed_images,url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ep90.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Formerod%2F20140216_006-s.jpg', 'http://www.ep90.com/assets/images/ormerod/20140216_006-s.jpg', 'https://reprap.org/forum/addon.php?340,module=embed_images,check_scaling=1,url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ep90.com%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Formerod%2F20140216_006-s.jpg', '', 311823, 800, 400, 'Loading image ...', false); It's not finished as yet, only friction stops the cylindrical Z nut from rotating, and I've done nothing about the backlash, but I thought it was a positive start. Dave https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311823#msg-311823 Mon, 17 Aug 2026 09:54:41 -0400 Phorum 5.2.23 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,757332#msg-757332 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,757332#msg-757332
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My first try in OpenScad, seems to work, amazing....
Erik

That's done it! You won't want to design with anything other than OpenScad now!

Dave

That's an easy choice, I have no knowledge of 3D modeling programs whatsoever!
...but I like this - I like this a lot!

Erik]]> ormerod168 Ormerod Tue, 21 Mar 2017 06:49:07 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,757214#msg-757214 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,757214#msg-757214
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My first try in OpenScad, seems to work, amazing....
Erik

That's done it! You won't want to design with anything other than OpenScad now!

Dave]]> dmould Ormerod Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:03:28 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756756#msg-756756 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756756#msg-756756
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I don't have the original design files anymore, but this is a trivial change to make directly in the stl file.

e.g. in OpenSCAD...

- import the .stl file.
- move the part around until the hole in centred on one axis.
- draw a 10mm diameter cylinder at the origin.
- rotate the cylinder until it's in the same plane
- subtract one from the other.
- render the resulting object
- export the object to a new stl file.

It probably took me longer to write this message.

Dave

My first try in OpenScad, seems to work, amazing....

[attachment 92117 OpenScad_leadscrew_znut_v5_rot.JPG]
[attachment 92120 leadscrew_znut_v5_rot.JPG]
[attachment 92119 leadscrew_10_znut_v5_rot.zip]

Erik]]> ormerod168 Ormerod Sat, 18 Mar 2017 04:56:16 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756711#msg-756711 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756711#msg-756711
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Would it be possible to re-design this STL file so that the hole into which the brass nut is 10 mm rather than 8 mm ?

Hi Chris

I don't have the original design files anymore, but this is a trivial change to make directly in the stl file.

e.g. in OpenSCAD...

- import the .stl file.
- move the part around until the hole in centred on one axis.
- draw a 10mm diameter cylinder at the origin.
- rotate the cylinder until it's in the same plane
- subtract one from the other.
- render the resulting object
- export the object to a new stl file.

It probably took me longer to write this message.

Dave]]> epninety Ormerod Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:32:05 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756706#msg-756706 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756706#msg-756706
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Very rare to see an Ormerod 1 with the original acrylic X-Arm on it - can i suggest an aluminium upgrade maybe ;)

Everyone that has fitted one has reported good improvements, see my sig for details below.

You need to check the clock Davek! Those pics were posted more than 3 years ago!

(And I don't believe I reported a good improvement after fitting one of your arms.)]]> epninety Ormerod Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:40:15 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756626#msg-756626 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756626#msg-756626
Everyone that has fitted one has reported good improvements, see my sig for details below.]]> Davek0974 Ormerod Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:12:42 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756616#msg-756616 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,756616#msg-756616
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The STL file is attached. The O-ring to fit is BS1806-213, 23.39mm x 3.53mm
leadscrew_znut_v5_rot.stl

Would it be possible to re-design this STL file so that the hole into which the brass nut is 10 mm rather than 8 mm ?
I have linked to this message and to the file from my site [www.3dprintandstuff.co.uk]
As I found this part useful and straight forward to mount a lead screw.

Many Thanks
Chris Hills]]> orictosh Ormerod Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:06:59 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324688#msg-324688 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324688#msg-324688
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I'm not sure if raffybuffy is meaning resolution rather than accuracy here. Surely the tolerances on any ormerods manufactured parts would mean there accuracy could be out by 0.03mm at 200mm. (thats only 0.00015%, good enough for me) Even if they are built perfectly

I am not so staid, :)
I just want to say that changing the treated rod, you will not have any disadvantage otherwise the theorical ones!!!! :)
I have ordered the treated rod and nut because I don't like the original, I think is too poor and I notice that the nut is not stable on the rod, and the rod itself is already worn... and really it look bad!!!! :)]]> raffybuffy Ormerod Fri, 14 Mar 2014 07:00:48 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324598#msg-324598 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324598#msg-324598
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So the actual steps for mm is 4000 e with the new threaded rod will be 2133.33 a little less accurate.... :-D
But I presume the more accurate mechanical structure and longevity are more important.

I'm not sure if raffybuffy is meaning resolution rather than accuracy here. Surely the tolerances on any ormerods manufactured parts would mean there accuracy could be out by 0.03mm at 200mm. (thats only 0.00015%, good enough for me) Even if they are built perfectly]]> jy_oc_hx Ormerod Fri, 14 Mar 2014 03:48:56 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324310#msg-324310 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324310#msg-324310
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..it will be too short by just over 0.03mm, so the overall inaccuracy is insignificant...

Dave
(#106)

could be a tiny bit more, afaik the pitch of a treaded rod is defined in the horizontal position :-)

Erik]]> ormerod168 Ormerod Thu, 13 Mar 2014 13:41:49 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324281#msg-324281 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324281#msg-324281
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Thank you Epinety!!!!
Very good job :-D

@droftarts Thank you also for the explanation!!!!
So the actual steps for mm is 4000 e with the new threaded rod will be 2133.33 a little less accurate.... :-D
But I presume the more accurate mechanical structure and longevity are more important.

If you print something that is 200mm high, it will be too short by just over 0.03mm, so the overall inaccuracy is insignificant.
The only thing you may find is that your prints have a bit of vertical banding unless you deliberately choose a layer thickness that is an exact multiple of 1/2133 mm, because otherwise the firmware will have to make some layers 1 step greater or fewer than other layers so as to get the correct average layer thickness.

Dave
(#106)]]> dmould Ormerod Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:53:56 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324234#msg-324234 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,324234#msg-324234 Very good job :-D

@droftarts Thank you also for the explanation!!!!
So the actual steps for mm is 4000 e with the new threaded rod will be 2133.33 a little less accurate.... :-D
But I presume the more accurate mechanical structure and longevity are more important.]]> raffybuffy Ormerod Thu, 13 Mar 2014 10:56:55 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323956#msg-323956 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323956#msg-323956
The standard leadscrew pitch is 0.8mm, which is the usual thread pitch for M5 thread. Which is why the standard steps per mm is 4000:
(motor steps per revolution x microsteps) / thread pitch = (200 x 16) / 0.8 = 4000

Ian
RepRapPro tech support]]> droftarts Ormerod Wed, 12 Mar 2014 18:32:53 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323923#msg-323923 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323923#msg-323923 epninety Ormerod Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:20:33 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323596#msg-323596 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323596#msg-323596 :)-D
I have ordered the Z nut and the leadscrew I hope to gain in precision and reliably.
The default leadscrew pitch is 1.5mm?
I'll find this site for steps calculation seem's to be usefully...
Can you post your .stl of z-bracket?
I've got some problem with Z-Axis (as soon as I've ordered the new z rod and nut) occasionally the z-axis threaded rod seems to get stuck and i hear "stumph, stumph, stumph":S, but it seems to run well when I try to turn it with my fingers, can be a problem of the duet board or of the motor?]]> raffybuffy Ormerod Wed, 12 Mar 2014 07:08:16 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323206#msg-323206 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323206#msg-323206
It's not a perfect integer, should be 2133.333recurring, but the error is only 0.03% so lost in the noise.

Dave]]> epninety Ormerod Tue, 11 Mar 2014 12:29:20 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323107#msg-323107 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,323107#msg-323107 But the pitch of z axis is 1.5mm? there is a way to use another pitch setting something?

:)-D]]> raffybuffy Ormerod Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:11:19 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,322507#msg-322507 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,322507#msg-322507
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johneato commented the Z nut was fully captive and that might cause problems if the Z axis crashed the bed. At the same time, I was looking for a better way to retain the Z nut while allowing for misalignment.
Much happier with your new design
John]]> johneato Ormerod Mon, 10 Mar 2014 03:47:25 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,322433#msg-322433 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,322433#msg-322433
johneato commented the Z nut was fully captive and that might cause problems if the Z axis crashed the bed. At the same time, I was looking for a better way to retain the Z nut while allowing for misalignment.

So my next design of Z nut bracket centres the Z nut in an O-ring that happily fits the 45degree bevel on the lead nut. It (the O -ring) is retained on the Z bracket with a couple of drops of superglue. Only gravity and friction holds the lead nut, preventing rotation and keeping it centred.

Seems to work nicely, I completed a couple of prints this evening without issue. You can see from the pen mark it hasn't rotated through the print.

It's still not fully safe, the Z nut is too large to pass the stepper motor in the event it makes a bid for freedom, but at least there is a small safety margin if it all goes wrong. With luck it will spin freely with the shaft once the load is off, but I'm not about to try it.



Dave
]]> epninety Ormerod Sun, 09 Mar 2014 20:35:44 -0400 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,313002#msg-313002 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,313002#msg-313002 I'll lash something up at the weekend and see what happens.]]> epninety Ormerod Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:16:55 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312983#msg-312983 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312983#msg-312983
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...or the energy available at switch off...
Dave
Rest assured - there's precious little of that!

From what I've seen with the Alpine PSU, even with both heaters off, the reservoir caps barely hold up for a missing mains cycle. With the bed heater on, it's down within a millisecond or two.
I've not looked at the PS_ON# response but it's almost certainly equivalent to disconnecting the mains supply.]]> Radian Ormerod Wed, 19 Feb 2014 08:51:07 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312136#msg-312136 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312136#msg-312136
Dave]]> epninety Ormerod Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:10:20 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312127#msg-312127 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312127#msg-312127
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One thing I think is a glaring omission from probably every 3d printer I've seen is a proper emergency stop button. A reset button inside the box doesn't cut it, nor does a 'pause' button in pronterface that becomes a 'resume' button once clicked ::o
That's probably the next thing I will change. My immediate thought was to mount a button on top of the Z column, but on reflection I want to put the spool holder up there.
Dave

The mains switch on the 12V PSU acts as a pretty good emergency stop ... You could feed the PSU via a relay controlled with a traditional red mushroom button.

Dave
(#106)]]> dmould Ormerod Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:54:09 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312113#msg-312113 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312113#msg-312113
No problem centering it - the original M5 nut is 8mm across the flats, so it serves as a handy guide to get the screw initially started.

I modified your gear design to reduce the depth of the hex hole (to get maximum thread engagement), and opened the centre borehole out to 7mm (the root thread size). I'd open it out to 7.5mm next time so the melted plastic has somewhere to go. It pretty much screwed on straight away, then before it cooled too much I backed the Z nut up against it to keep it straight. I think the key is to use the least heat possible to get the job done, so things don't get too floppy.

It has a very slight wobble, but no worse than I had with the original setup, and of course that could be improved with a little gentle attention from a small blowtorch.

The best bit of course, is that if it all goes wrong... just print another one (:P)

Dave]]> epninety Ormerod Mon, 17 Feb 2014 13:34:33 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312098#msg-312098 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,312098#msg-312098
Lovely work Dave, and a fantastic resulting print, did you have any trouble centering the threaded rod in the Z-gear?

like the blue too ;)


Matt]]> iamburny Ormerod Mon, 17 Feb 2014 12:57:30 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311956#msg-311956 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311956#msg-311956
My original plan was to retain the nut with one or more M3 screws tapped into the upper face, running down the Z axis. But when I was measuring and sketching for the new mount I realised I'd prefer the Z nut to be able to move around alittle to ensure the best possible alignment. That could still be done with oversized holes, but I have what I think is a prettier plan... I will move the mounting flanges apart slightly, and groove them to take a couple of O rings to take up the gap. I think that will allow enough freedom to set the alignment and accomodate the inevitable eccentricity, but provide enough resistance that the Z nut won't rotate.

If that doesnt work, then it's time for machined flats or locking screws, or probably just a blob of RTV silicone to persuade it to stay put.

Leadscrew and nut came from these guys

You are right of course, about the danger of crashing the tool into the table - it's a risk I've always lived with in my CNC'd Peatol mill, so I guess I'm more relaxed about it than many. It would be easy to mill flats or a hex into the nut and retain it only at the top, which might solve both problems at once.

EDIT : Forgot to say, only retaining the nut at the top would make assembly much easier too (:P)

One thing I think is a glaring omission from probably every 3d printer I've seen is a proper emergency stop button. A reset button inside the box doesn't cut it, nor does a 'pause' button in pronterface that becomes a 'resume' button once clicked ::o
That's probably the next thing I will change. My immediate thought was to mount a button on top of the Z column, but on reflection I want to put the spool holder up there.

Probably not much playtime before next weekend now, but I'll probably have changed the whole plan again by then...


Dave]]> epninety Ormerod Mon, 17 Feb 2014 06:32:09 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311942#msg-311942 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311942#msg-311942 I have a concern that you have locked the Z nut in top and bottom. The danger is if you drive the Z too low it will force the hot end into the table. With the existing design the nut pops out the bottom and there is no damage done. Apart from that I like it, can you tell me the eBay vendor you bought your rod and nut.
John]]> johneato Ormerod Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:43:15 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311937#msg-311937 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311937#msg-311937 if you're worried about the backlash (but I don't think you should be for Z since as you pointed out it's preloaded by the weight of the X axis boom and only the upper surface of the thread is used), you could use (a little more) heat to thermoform a thread in an acetal/delrin nut like this [bbs.homeshopmachinist.net].

To prevent the cylindrical nut from rotating (more of a problem), you could file one or more flats on it, and modify your trap to hold against the flat/s, or you could drill down though the top of the nut trap into the top of the nut to form a dimple, then use a self tapping screw through the plastic and into the dimple to hold it still,

Ray]]> rayhicks Ormerod Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:29:34 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311849#msg-311849 Re: My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311849#msg-311849 tru168 Ormerod Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:53:06 -0500 https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311823#msg-311823 My first mod - new Z axis leadscrew https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?340,311823,311823#msg-311823
ebay provided a length of 8mm trapezoidal leadscrew and a matching bronze nut for about £30 quid delivered.

I reprinted iamburnys' double helix Z gears, with small mods to accomodate the larger screw size. I sized the centre hole to be the same as the thread root of the leadscrew. Then by gently warming the leadscrew in a gas flame, it was easy to thread the gear straight onto the end of the leadscrew. (Sometimes the low melting point of PLA is an advantage!)

The Z axis nut trap needed serious mods, so after some careful measurements, I drew up a new one from scratch and printed it. Luckily it fitted first time.

The bronze nut has some serious backlash, but that's not too much of a problem for the Z axis where gravity holds the system in tension, as long as everything moves smoothly.
The 'gearing' is now obviously wrong, but the M92 (steps / unit for each axis) command sorts that one out.

I've only tried one print so far - the Single Wall Alignment Test at 50% scale and 0.12mm layer height as iamburny mentioned in his thread and it looks pretty good to me.









It's not finished as yet, only friction stops the cylindrical Z nut from rotating, and I've done nothing about the backlash, but I thought it was a positive start.

Dave
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