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        <description>Good morning everybody. It has now been 2 Month since my first smartrap. My first printer was wa delta style printer, but due to the limited build area and the big dimension, I switched to a smaller printer type, the smartrap. 

I started with the version 0.46 with fishing line system. Because I had many slanted prints, the servo not working and some other problems, I ordered the newest version 0.491. Its now 2 Weeks since I finished this version. The first problem was the stepper height, I had to increase the bed by round about 8mm in the height (by attaching 6mm multiplex + 3mm heated alu bed)

I&#039;m currently Using an E3D V6 Full Metall Hotend and only printing PLA. I kept the original Build nearly 100%, except of the hotend, and I had to use bronze bushing instead of LM6UU, because I got some really low quality parts from ebay. 

Nevertheless, I finished the build and did some adjustments: I defined the Offset of the described by &quot;regpye&quot;. Unfortunately, this only works for one print. After the second print, I&#039;ve to define the offset once again, and for the third print, and for the fourth, etc. I don&#039;t know if the autolevel is not working properly. (The combined solution of Multiplex and 3mm Alu is not flexing like glas I guess) 

Those parts who came out, had terrible Z wobbles, so I printed one http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9864 and attached it to my build, but unfortunetely the z wobbles stayed. This there maybe some different bed level routine I can use?</description>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Hi greg, <br />
<br />
thank you for this great feedback. I understand all your points and i agree with most of them .  The thing is the development of the smartrap has been made a little too much in hurry for some months now. The main goal is indeed to make the most easy to assemble reprap while keeping a good quality , but until I take a little more time to re-thing more deeply, we will mostly turn around the same problems with this design. It means maybe we reached the end of it and it's time to switch to another one ? <br />
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On the defensive side, i can explain why those changes, it was not about money ( whatever i do with the structure, it cost me the same ) , it was more from user's feedback . <br />
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- 6mm rods :  We switched to 180x180 mm printable size. I thought 8mm rods would be too heavy , as we move them in both axis X an Y.  After some tests, even if the feeling is indeed less stable than 8mm, the prints didn't show a differernce.<br />
- Z axis :  I see you experienced a non working zstop and had a bad print. It is in faact quiet good :)  on the precedent version with blocked nut in the Z plate, you would or break the glass , or break the all Xplate. I did 4 or 5 times and it's fast ! nema17 on a screw has nice power ..enough to break a PLA structure. So this new system has the benefits to save the material :)  IT is also an anti wobble system, so the vibrations in X and Y of the thread are notreported to the head. I noticed better prints with layers  since we have this system.<br />
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The fact is , even if the quality of parts was good, the dimensions wasn't :(  the  "insert guides and done" system is great but need a very precise holder dimension .. too small and dit brakes, too large and the guides are out.<br />
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I can only advice you to find some tape, aluminium, or hot glue ? ( you can always get it out ) to fix the bearings , waiting for a next design. On the very last version, i've made the holders higher and inserted an M3x10 to fix them more tight.<br />
<br />
Thanks again for those point of view, we can only go forward  this way :)]]></description>
            <dc:creator>smartfriendz</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2014 04:57:20 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Hi Guys,<br />
<br />
Just to add my 2 cents here because I recently got the v4.9 with the 6mm rods.  I noticed when looking at the older Smartrap versions that the drive to reduce cost and simplify the build has let to a less robust machine. I found an older Smartrap for 80 Euro and I bought it because it was such a bargain. I compared the build to my new Smartrap and I was disappointed that the older machine looks and feels a lot more sturdy than the newer machine.  The bearings are bolted in place and the Z threaded bar is attached to the carriage securely. The rods are thicker and the axis seem to bend less.<br />
<br />
With the latest design I have had the following problems, and its not down to the print quality of my parts because Serge printed them and they are top quality.<br />
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Y axis:  The bearings are a push fit in the Y axis.  I have lost 2 prints because the bearing slipped out of the holder and somehow slid along the steel rod. It cause a huge step in my print and in the end I fixed it by loosely placing a cable tie around the 2 bearings lengthways. There is no way at all to secure the bearings properly on the current build.<br />
<br />
X axis:  The head components fit on as a push fit.  The push fit can work loose if the head collides with anything and you are not there to stop it happening (see below re Z axis).  Push fit is great if you never ever have to rebuild the axis. A clamping fit would be much more reliable and add more strength to the machine, it also allows the machine to be rebuilt over and over again if needed.<br />
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Z axis: It seems to be a sliding fit, not even a push fit. The 6 mm rod clamp just sits on the motor shaft and there is no way to secure them together. Then half way up the threaded bar the carriage just sits on the Z nut and is not securely attached. If there is not enough weight on the carriage to engage the Z endstop the Z screw just keeps going until the Z nut ends up at the bottom of the screw and it leaves the head sitting on the glass bed. Even worse, somehow my threaded rod fell off the Z motor, don't ask me how.  In fact, that's why I wrote this post because it just really annoyed me that a lost several hours worth of print because of such a daft thing.  <br />
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In a nutshell, the Z threaded rod fell off the Z motor.  The head then got stuck in my build while the X motor dragged the hotend back and forth for 20 minutes. When I got there, the X end was loose and all of the hotend components are bent because it has been under so much stress. I will have to get the hairdryer on it, glue it back on or print a replacement to solve the issue.  Not ideal.<br />
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Don't get me wrong, the Smartrap is an awesome machine and I really love it. But a lot of the redundancy that was in the earlier designs seems to have been taken away to make the machine quicker and easier to produce and assemble. <br />
<br />
That's my opinion anyway, it's driven by the current rage that I have over the failed print today so don't take it to heart. All criticism is positive as long as you consider it for the next build.<br />
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Anyway, keep up the great work.<br />
<br />
Mike]]></description>
            <dc:creator>mikefiatx19</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2014 15:22:15 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>markstephen</strong><br />
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>smartfriendz</strong><br />
Smartrap V2 should be completely different . I would like to have the bed not moving and still a good support for the head to be able to develop multi heads , seringe for food , laser cut, etc... let's design:P</div></blockquote>
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Are you thinking about a coreXY - "Smartrap style" - or something else? I have been giving some thought to coreXY type my own self, with the #1 design criteria being <b><u>ALL</u></b> printed parts have to be printable on my Smartrap. <br />
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On a personal note, sorry I haven't been around more, got really busy with other stuff as well as the FreeCAD project, and there are only so many hours in a day... Just a shame there are only 24 of them, I would be happy with something like 32 or so... (:P) Good to see you all are doing well. <br />
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<b>@ regpye - Did you do anything with that 2 into 1 hotend setup?</b><br />
<br />
Mark</div></blockquote>
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Still working on it, hope to have it finished soon]]></description>
            <dc:creator>regpye</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ thank you for those feedback . IT helps to have a better view of what we could bring to the community ...and new 3d printers :)   it's hard to decide, i think i will try all solutions before starting some shared thoughts about the design in a thread. But i want to do that for sure .. i would be very happy to have a design that is done from a community .. maybe try to find a real time shared 3d design software ? lol . <br />
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xhnnas, is it an inductive sensor ?  i could manage to make some working with ramps on _5v .. it needs a 10k resistor. But almost half of mines even didn't work with that . I use some 12v pins to make them work with 2 resistors ( to ahve +5v on the signal line ) ..that works.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>smartfriendz</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2014 04:11:11 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Honestly, CoreXY would be my favorite. But, I don't want to source every second version new parts for my printer (like I did with the upgrade from 0.4.6 to 0.4.9, thats the reason why I've two printers now)<br />
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Regarding the current build: My proximity sensor needs 6V -36V Input. Do you have any suggestions how to set it up with ramps? I can't connect it directly to the Z min endstop.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Xhnnas</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2014 02:41:30 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>smartfriendz</strong><br />
hi mark ,<br />
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It's good you've been busy !   I know freecad takes you a lot of time and everyone must be happy of your energy in the project :)<br />
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yes, beeing printable is no 1 . I even think about even more printable and less extra parts . I've always said there must be at least one project like this as the others went all to metal . I understand perfectly why of course and it's really normal they do . They call me crazy to insist at doing a reprap with lot of printed parts ( hard to produce, long, not enough rentability ). <br />
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I'm working on two separate main design things :  1- scara arm , like morgan but all printed with pinions  2- core xy , with all printed too, a little like the tantilus, but more efficient in parts .  I admitt i try to have a box  structure so it's easy to handle . Maybe we will loose print size at first.. nothing is certain of course, i must go forward with the design. <br />
<br />
One extra domain related to the smartrap passionating me is the printed parts production with smartraps farm. I do believe it's reliable, if you have enough machines running .<br />
<br />
I hope this new version will be made in freecad. I start to understand it far better. I'm still have a bad experience on changing sketches constraints after a part is finished. It always makes me some problems but i don't really know why .</div></blockquote>
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1- scara arm - Very cool, but it might be better to lift the arm rather than lower the bed? Lift from the center on 3 vertical rods, maybe go to 8 mm threaded rod. I'll have to look at the math for the things geometry but looks very doable.  Should be able to get a 200x200x200(or 300) mm or more build area. Height would be the easy one to get on that design. <br />
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2- core xy - I'v been looking at this concept for several weeks now. Ran a few things around in my head. I saw this thread - <a href="http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?178,372427" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">Core XY Printer £100.00 Build Cost</a> which got me thinking, (always dangerous (:P)) I'm thinking one could get a 250x250x??? mm into less than a 350x300 footprint. <br />
<br />
It's not crazy to want to follow the heart and spirit of the Rep-Rap idea. That's just making sense... OK that last statement is coming from a crazy person so.... <br />
<br />
There was a bug found in the Sketcher that is causing the constraints to lose their linking to external geometry. It's been reported and worked on. With any luck, we'll see that fix, along with a few others and Ellipse and Arc of Ellipse included in Sketcher in the 0.15 release, which should be coming sooner rather than later. I'll PM you a link to a thread where I posted a "work around" to that bug if your having to move holes around allot in a model. Look for it sometime tomorrow at the latest. I'll have to hunt it down. <br />
<br />
Just an idea - If you want to, start a new "Smartrap V2 Development" thread where we can get all things sorted out. I know Reg has an ingenious and inventive mind, and I would love to here both of your thoughts, and others here as well, on a new design. Or just do both! Version 2 and Version 3. Have a whole Smartrap family. :)-D<br />
<br />
Mark<br />
<br />
<br />
Edit - <b>Smartrap SLA 3D Resin Printer - Version 4 !</b> ::o I'v been doing some research on this too...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>markstephen</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:04:56 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ hi mark ,<br />
<br />
It's good you've been busy !   I know freecad takes you a lot of time and everyone must be happy of your energy in the project :)<br />
<br />
yes, beeing printable is no 1 . I even think about even more printable and less extra parts . I've always said there must be at least one project like this as the others went all to metal . I understand perfectly why of course and it's really normal they do . They call me crazy to insist at doing a reprap with lot of printed parts ( hard to produce, long, not enough rentability ). <br />
<br />
I'm working on two separate main design things :  1- scara arm , like morgan but all printed with pinions  2- core xy , with all printed too, a little like the tantilus, but more efficient in parts .  I admitt i try to have a box  structure so it's easy to handle . Maybe we will loose print size at first.. nothing is certain of course, i must go forward with the design. <br />
<br />
One extra domain related to the smartrap passionating me is the printed parts production with smartraps farm. I do believe it's reliable, if you have enough machines running .<br />
<br />
I hope this new version will be made in freecad. I start to understand it far better. I'm still have a bad experience on changing sketches constraints after a part is finished. It always makes me some problems but i don't really know why .]]></description>
            <dc:creator>smartfriendz</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:50:22 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>smartfriendz</strong><br />
Smartrap V2 should be completely different . I would like to have the bed not moving and still a good support for the head to be able to develop multi heads , seringe for food , laser cut, etc... let's design:P</div></blockquote>
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Are you thinking about a coreXY - "Smartrap style" - or something else? I have been giving some thought to coreXY type my own self, with the #1 design criteria being <b><u>ALL</u></b> printed parts have to be printable on my Smartrap. <br />
<br />
On a personal note, sorry I haven't been around more, got really busy with other stuff as well as the FreeCAD project, and there are only so many hours in a day... Just a shame there are only 24 of them, I would be happy with something like 32 or so... (:P) Good to see you all are doing well. <br />
<br />
@ regpye - Did you do anything with that 2 into 1 hotend setup?<br />
<br />
Mark]]></description>
            <dc:creator>markstephen</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:41:16 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>smartfriendz</strong><br />
To be honest, i didn't want to be too much like the printrbot :)  but the real reason is history reason :  at the beginning, i couldn't have the Z rods to be turned 90 because it made a base plate too big for the printer i had ( limited to 100x100 printing size). I know it''s crazy but it's true.<br />
I think i will try to have a version like regpye did very soon.. it's obvious we get more stability on the axis we have forces ... in our case , the X axis with forces against Z down ! <br />
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about the 8mm, i maintain this version for the first kits ..and of course for anyone who prefer 8mm rods.<br />
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I just cleaned up github very hardly !  only the last version stays now ( old version are accible via history). <br />
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I will use  a dev branche for next version. <br />
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<b>Smartrap V2 should be completely different . I would like to have the bed not moving and still a good support for the head to be able to develop multi heads , seringe for food , laser cut, etc... <br />
<br />
let's design</b> :P</div></blockquote>
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Already working on all of that Serge. Could be a bit exciting to see what we can all come up with.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>regpye</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2014 16:18:41 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ To be honest, i didn't want to be too much like the printrbot :)  but the real reason is history reason :  at the beginning, i couldn't have the Z rods to be turned 90 because it made a base plate too big for the printer i had ( limited to 100x100 printing size). I know it''s crazy but it's true.<br />
I think i will try to have a version like regpye did very soon.. it's obvious we get more stability on the axis we have forces ... in our case , the X axis with forces against Z down ! <br />
<br />
about the 8mm, i maintain this version for the first kits ..and of course for anyone who prefer 8mm rods.<br />
<br />
I just cleaned up github very hardly !  only the last version stays now ( old version are accible via history). <br />
<br />
I will use  a dev branche for next version. <br />
<br />
Smartrap V2 should be completely different . I would like to have the bed not moving and still a good support for the head to be able to develop multi heads , seringe for food , laser cut, etc... <br />
<br />
let's design :P]]></description>
            <dc:creator>smartfriendz</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:28:55 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Xhnnas</strong><br />
Maybe you really had a good supplier. I did't wanted to buy at aliexpress because of bad experiences with electronics. I see, you added on github new 8mm version, correct? What about a new allignment of the X axis rods? Instead of horizontally, vertically like the fabrap? Or did you have any special plans for the next version?</div></blockquote>
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I have tried turning the X rods 90 degrees and found an incredible difference to the good.<br />
The rods turned that way give very much more stability and resist bending.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>regpye</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Maybe you really had a good supplier. I did't wanted to buy at aliexpress because of bad experiences with electronics. I see, you added on github new 8mm version, correct? What about a new allignment of the X axis rods? Instead of horizontally, vertically like the fabrap? Or did you have any special plans for the next version?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Xhnnas</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
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            <description><![CDATA[ so maybe i had good luck ?  I've found a provider here in next village with smooth rods 6 and 8 mm steel at 4 euros/m of good quality, and after some tests, i've found a good provider for lm6uu and lm8uu on aliexpress.  For now, i have good result even after 100 hours printing . I prersonaly hear more the steppers singing than the rods ( but it's very personal feeling i guess ? ) .]]></description>
            <dc:creator>smartfriendz</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2014 03:56:11 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>smartfriendz</strong><br />
ho boy ... tha'ts bad . I really didn't know it could be a problem those 6mm :(<br />
<br />
sorry about that . .. I will have a look how to re-integrate the all 8mm version . It doesn't change so much for me .<br />
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thank you for your feedback by the way. it's very interesting</div></blockquote>
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I am also mounting away from the metal linear bearings. Although cheap and easy to get, they are very noisy and don't last that long as expected. After only 100 hours of printing, many need to be replaced, some I have had to replace after only about 20 hours of printing. Apart from the noise, they also grab the rods and cause jerking that influences the quality of the print, often making the print fail as the problem gets worse.<br />
Bronze bushes I found difficult to align, and also a bit more expensive. The best bushes are ones I have made myself for testing purposes, and these I have made from Delrin plastic. They take too long to make compared to buying ready made bearings or bushes, but for testing purposes they are ideal.<br />
I will do further tests and see how long they actually last before committing to anything, but if they turn out to be better, I will see if I can get them CNC machined for a good price so we can all use them. (if anyone is interested that is)]]></description>
            <dc:creator>regpye</dc:creator>
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            <description><![CDATA[ ho boy ... tha'ts bad . I really didn't know it could be a problem those 6mm :(<br />
<br />
sorry about that . .. I will have a look how to re-integrate the all 8mm version . It doesn't change so much for me .<br />
<br />
thank you for your feedback by the way. it's very interesting]]></description>
            <dc:creator>smartfriendz</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I had to pay more for the 6mm rods than for the 8mm rods of the previous version. Finding good LM6UU bearings was a pain. First I bought "Cheap" ones for 2€ /piece, these where chinese versions and totally crap. I was even not able to move the axis without jerk. Then I tried to use bronze bushings, but they did not worked as expected. So I bought the third time "premium" Bearings for 5€/piece. (I totally paid 70€ just for finding the right bearings).]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Xhnnas</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:01:57 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ that's interesting. i wouldn't think 6mm was a bad idea.. I did because i thought it would be more light for X and Y axis , and i thought lm6uu and 6mm rods was as easy as 8mm to find and even a little less expensive ?  ( mine cost a little less than 8 ).<br />
<br />
It's easy to doall in 8mm , i've kept the models with 8mm ( we have 0,4,9,2 in 8mm too  with GT2 ) .]]></description>
            <dc:creator>smartfriendz</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:14:25 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>regpye</strong><br />
I have to agree with you about the 6mm rods.  Just not enough rigidity in them and they do bend too much. I would be inclined to go to even 10mm rods instead, all round. <br />
8mm being a good compromise. I really believe that 6mm rods were a step backwards in the design.</div></blockquote>
<br />
Fully agree. Not to mention that 6mm rods/bearings are harder to get and more expensive too, as they 're less common (at least in the reprap world).<br />
Having built my smartrap with 8mm rods, I was forced to edit some of the smartrap parts (most notably the hotend mount for jhead) and reprint them because they only existed in 6mm versions, as I found out...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>mandrav</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2014 05:41:25 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Xhnnas</strong><br />
So, after one month just a short feedback: I think why it's not working on my smartrap are the 6mm rods. The entire Axis is bending to much when he reaches the point 170/180. There is so much force, that some parts cracked. <br />
<br />
As I told, I've an other smartrap with 8mm rods, I can use the autolevel routine on this printer and it works really fine. So I would prefer in future builds to go back to 8mm Rods if applicable. <br />
I'm currently working on a inductive proximity sensor leveling with my ALU Heatbed to ignore the bending of the z Axis.</div></blockquote>
<br />
I have to agree with you about the 6mm rods.  Just not enough rigidity in them and they do bend too much. I would be inclined to go to even 10mm rods instead, all round. <br />
8mm being a good compromise. I really believe that 6mm rods were a step backwards in the design.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>regpye</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:58:32 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,422798#msg-422798</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ So, after one month just a short feedback: I think why it's not working on my smartrap are the 6mm rods. The entire Axis is bending to much when he reaches the point 170/180. There is so much force, that some parts cracked. <br />
<br />
As I told, I've an other smartrap with 8mm rods, I can use the autolevel routine on this printer and it works really fine. So I would prefer in future builds to go back to 8mm Rods if applicable. <br />
I'm currently working on a inductive proximity sensor leveling with my ALU Heatbed to ignore the bending of the z Axis.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Xhnnas</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2014 02:49:09 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Hi Xhnnas,<br />
<br />
I see perfectly what you mean !  It's indeed a known problem due to the design of the smartrap considering we are not touching the bed , and the ddition of the autolevelling later, which actually touch the bed.<br />
<br />
Normally, the effort to activate the endstop at 180 shouldn't be so strong. But there is an offset, for sure . This ofset is integrated in our marlin version on our github and take palce in configurtion.h  : <br />
<br />
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_FROM_EXTRUDER_DELTA_X 0 <br />
<br />
with this parameter you can adjust the offset you have when probing at 180. ( try to probe at 140 ? there's less problemes).<br />
<br />
I hope it clarify a little the problem.. <br />
<br />
i'm working on that with thos new inductive sensors but we just had a little problem with 5V connection, we need to put them on 12v..]]></description>
            <dc:creator>smartfriendz</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 12:05:19 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,412168#msg-412168</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Still not working for me. I think this is caused by the Probe itself. If I'm probing at 0/0 he need much lesser force that at 180/0. I don't know how to describe it in english. What I mean is: at the location of 0/0 the hotend just need to tip on the glas and the enstops activate. At the location at X = 180 he has to drive down the Z Axis much more to create enough force to activate the endstop. Therefore there is a failure in the autolevel measurement. For example the z Axis is down an -4.5, but the heatbed itself is just 0.1 mm away from the nozzle.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Xhnnas</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:57:53 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,411700#msg-411700</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Good Morning everybody. I tried to level the bed as described by verteez,<br />
<br />
unfortunately it did not helped. <br />
I startet with homing x and y, and traveled to 180/170, my print maximum. The endstop activates at -2,44. I used this value and added 0.01 (2.45) and insertet it for the offset. I tried to print at 180/170 my calibration cube: Nope, the nozzle scratched on the bed. <br />
<br />
I tried to increase the offset in 0.5 steps in the firmware. At roughly 4.9 i was able to print my cube. After that I tried to print the cube at 0/170. The Nozzle was more than 5mm away from the bed. I tried to adjust it with the DELTA X Value. It took nearly half an hour until I was able to print the cube at this position. Next step was to print at 180/0. Unfortunately the nozzle scratched on the bed again. So I played a bit with the DELTA Y Value. At -0.7 I was able to print the Cube at this location. After that I tried to print once again at the location 180/170... unfortunately the values which where the correct ones before, where not the right after tuning the DELTAS and the nozzle scratches again on the bed. <br />
<br />
After 3 hours tuning and tweaking the entire setup failed. <br />
<br />
Frustrated I changed the leveling method back to grid and 12 Points leveling just to be able to print at the end of the bed of the printer. <br />
<br />
I think it might be due to the bed leveling itself, because without changing the setup, the Z offset value is always different. <br />
<br />
Unfortunately I'm not allowed to use a pic hoster at work, so please find attached the link to my google plus galery (I hope it works)<br />
<br />
[<a href="https://plus.google.com/100011331592754569366/posts/7cY9nG4ddLo" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">plus.google.com</a>]<br />
<br />
Just a short description about the setup:<br />
- Stepper Motors are 48mm 0.9° <br />
- Electronic is RAMPS 1.4 with 16 Microsteps on E and Z Axis, and 32 Microsteps on X and Y<br />
- The Z Axis is a TR8x1,5 with a flexibel couppler<br />
- Heated bed is MK3 at 12 Volt <br />
- Instead of LM6UU I'm using bronze bushings<br />
- The Hotend is e3D v6<br />
- The X and Y axis are using 6mm rods, the Z Axis 8mm rods <br />
- The complete Build is 0.491 Version made out of abs<br />
- The build is attached on Plywood/Multiplex 9mm <br />
- The bed custruction is supported by the original bed support<br />
- The Print itself is cooled by the attached fan<br />
- The Ramps is also cooled by a fan. <br />
- GT2 Belt]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Xhnnas</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:31:52 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,411659#msg-411659</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Just wondering:<br />
<br />
Are the internal pullup's configured in configuration.h? <br />
If there is no pull up then you have a floating signal signal on the contact that could eventually cause misreadings.Coarse End Stop Pull Up Resistor – line 194<br />
<br />
look for:<br />
#define ENDSTOPPULLUPS<br />
#ifndef ENDSTOPPULLUPS<br />
<br />
[<a href="http://airtripper.com/1145/marlin-firmware-v1-basic-configuration-set-up-guide/" target="_blank"  rel="nofollow">airtripper.com</a>]]]></description>
            <dc:creator>BackEMF</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 23:14:43 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,411394#msg-411394</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ So you have the same situation as me.<br />
<br />
First, activate the 3 point method in marlin. Don't change the Z offset now, you will make it leater. Only make sure that the last point of 3 point method is defined in Marlin and the third probe point for X axis is   as much far at the front of printer as it can be. <br />
For me it's :<pre class="bbcode">
  #else  // not AUTO_BED_LEVELING_GRID
    // with no grid, just probe 3 arbitrary points.  A simple cross-product
    // is used to esimate the plane of the print bed

      #define ABL_PROBE_PT_1_X 10
      #define ABL_PROBE_PT_1_Y 10
      #define ABL_PROBE_PT_2_X 10
      #define ABL_PROBE_PT_2_Y 130
      #define ABL_PROBE_PT_3_X 170    &lt;---   This one :)
      #define ABL_PROBE_PT_3_Y 65</pre>
Reupload the Marlin. ( You will be reuploading it, because try to not use the EEPROM[try to disable it], You will be sure that the printer is not remembering the old software.)<br />
After this home all the axis in repetier host and run  g29 command. This will do the probing.<br />
Then in log window you will get for example something like this <pre class="bbcode">
13:05:44.977 : End file list
13:06:17.966 : Bed x: 10.00 y: 10.00 z: 2.22
13:06:24.155 : Bed x: 10.00 y: 130.00 z: 2.54
13:06:30.643 : Bed x: 165.00 y: 65.00 z: 2.50
13:06:30.648 : echo:endstops hit:  Z:2.50     Here is your offset, but it's equal to bed height, so you must add to it 0.01 to now scratch your bed surface. So here actuall offset will be 2.51</pre>
 <br />
Now you can change the offset in marlin. Type the value from repetier host and use the bigger one as I writed before. <br />
Reupload Marlin to your printer.<br />
Remember, the Z offset will be calculated to the last point probed(The one around X170, or what you have defined), so at the back of the printer (0.0 position) the offet might be diffrent due to your bed level.<br />
Here is where the Delta X thing is helping :)<br />
<br />
Now you can try to run some big piece as test print. For not loosing filament it can be just a stick, annything, but something that is placed at the front and back of the bed. ( I meand long and thin piece :) )<br />
Try to look at the first layers, probably at the front (where your X is 170 or higer) they will be sticking well, if so, then you are almost finishing. <br />
Next, look at the back of the printer (around 0.0 position) If your layers are not sticking, and the offset here is too big, then try to change the <br />
<pre class="bbcode">
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_FROM_EXTRUDER_DELTA_X 0 &lt;---change the zero to a higer value, try by 0.1, 0.2 to get it working depending on your bed level</pre>
This will lower your nozzle for the distance defined by you in delta X,  where the layers were too high (around 0.0 position).<br />
<br />
If your layers vere too low, and nozzle scratched the bed, do the reversed process. Just change the value to a negative one. Higer negative value, the higer the nozzle will be (around 0.0 position)<br />
<br />
You must try to change this value a few times to get it working fine. But belive me, it will work. <br />
I was trying to write it the best as I could. If its still not clear to understan, I will try co record a video for you with this method :)<br />
<br />
Ps. There is also Delta Y which is changing the nozzle height at sides of your bed, but first try to get the Delta X one working.<br />
<br />
Cheers! :)<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Xhnnas</strong><br />
Sorry, I don't get it with the X Delta. You have activated the 3 Point method, right? Where did you measured the Z offset? In the Middle of the bed or at 0/0? <br />
If you measured the height at 0/0 and for example the Z Offset at this point is 0.5. and the nozzle scratches on the bed at 180/180, do I have to choose a positiv value for the X Delta? <br />
<br />
I will post as much pictures this evening as possible.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
            <dc:creator>verteez</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 08:06:37 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,411351#msg-411351</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Sorry, I don't get it with the X Delta. You have activated the 3 Point method, right? Where did you measured the Z offset? In the Middle of the bed or at 0/0? <br />
If you measured the height at 0/0 and for example the Z Offset at this point is 0.5. and the nozzle scratches on the bed at 180/180, do I have to choose a positiv value for the X Delta? <br />
<br />
I will post as much pictures this evening as possible.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Xhnnas</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 05:48:08 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,411325#msg-411325</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I know, but without the photos I also wasn't able to help a lot. I just writed the first things from my mind after reading his problem :)<br />
You are right, every SmartRap variation is using diffrent probing systems, and the callibration is also diffrent.<br />
I just see some similar things to my, not so old, problem with leveling. <br />
<br />
But Im pretty sure that also this problem will be solved thanks to the community :)-D<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>regpye</strong><br />
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>verteez</strong><br />
I have a positive value and everything is working fine. <br />
If you want, check my configuration file,  maybe it will work for you?</div></blockquote>
<br />
Yes on my SmartRaps I use a positive value as well and a negative on the MagikMakers and i3 machines. But all of this depends on how the probe is setup and we have not seen clearly how this particular machine is setup.  The photo shown is not clear on how the sensor is working.<br />
As we all know, there are many different SmartRap variations now, and some are using very different probing systems and more are coming.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
            <dc:creator>verteez</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 04:19:52 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,411324#msg-411324</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ For me the Delta X adjustment work only with 3 point mode. When I use this bed leveling method the nozzle probes the 3 point, starting at the back, and the last one is at the fron of the printer. Here my bed is higer, and the software remember it as the higest point of the bed, and Im always callibrating the Z offset to this point. When offset is good here, then the delta X asjustment is changing the offset on back of my printer, where have been two points probed. I have just discovered and understanded it not so long ago :) <br />
Changing the  #define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_FROM_EXTRUDER_DELTA_X 0  is alowing me to change the diffrence in nozzle height and not loss the offest. <br />
<br />
So, annyway, try with the 3 point mode, Run in the Repetier Host G29 command, and write in Marlin the offset value generated by the g29.<br />
After this try to run some bigger print and see how the nozzle is moving. If the nozzle is somewhere too high, or too low, just try to change the delta X value.<br />
<br />
I hope it might help you a bit :)<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Xhnnas</strong><br />
I'm terribly sorry, but I forget to make some pictures of my build, I will implement them this evening. <br />
<br />
I tried the negativ value of the offset: It's scratching on the heatbed. But finally I think the probing works much better than before. I got the tipp to clear the EEPROM with the following code:<br />
<br />
/*<br />
  * EEPROM Clear<br />
  *<br />
  * Sets all of the bytes of the EEPROM to 0.<br />
  * This example code is in the public domain.<br />
  */<br />
#include <br />
void setup()<br />
{<br />
   // write a 0 to all 4096 bytes of the EEPROM<br />
   for (int i = 0; i &lt; 4096; i++)<br />
     EEPROM.write(i, 0);<br />
    <br />
   // turn the LED on when we're done<br />
   digitalWrite(13, HIGH);<br />
}<br />
void loop()<br />
{<br />
} <br />
<br />
So I was able to enable the EEPROM Setting in the firmware. <br />
<br />
Unfortunately I only can print small pieces in the middle of the bed (That is where I defined the Z Offest) <br />
at the Position of 10/10 the layers don't stick, because the nozzle is to far away from the bed. At 180/180 the nozzle scratches on the bed again. at 90/90 everything is fine. <br />
<br />
I tried to play a bit with the Delta X adjustment, but it did not worked for me. I tried values from -3,9 to 3,9, but the behavior did not changed. Only small pieces. <br />
I'm using the Probing version of the smartrap build 0.491 from github/thingiverse.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
            <dc:creator>verteez</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 04:16:23 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,411298#msg-411298</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I'm terribly sorry, but I forget to make some pictures of my build, I will implement them this evening. <br />
<br />
I tried the negativ value of the offset: It's scratching on the heatbed. But finally I think the probing works much better than before. I got the tipp to clear the EEPROM with the following code:<br />
<br />
/*<br />
  * EEPROM Clear<br />
  *<br />
  * Sets all of the bytes of the EEPROM to 0.<br />
  * This example code is in the public domain.<br />
  */<br />
#include <br />
void setup()<br />
{<br />
   // write a 0 to all 4096 bytes of the EEPROM<br />
   for (int i = 0; i &lt; 4096; i++)<br />
     EEPROM.write(i, 0);<br />
    <br />
   // turn the LED on when we're done<br />
   digitalWrite(13, HIGH);<br />
}<br />
void loop()<br />
{<br />
} <br />
<br />
So I was able to enable the EEPROM Setting in the firmware. <br />
<br />
Unfortunately I only can print small pieces in the middle of the bed (That is where I defined the Z Offest) <br />
at the Position of 10/10 the layers don't stick, because the nozzle is to far away from the bed. At 180/180 the nozzle scratches on the bed again. at 90/90 everything is fine. <br />
<br />
I tried to play a bit with the Delta X adjustment, but it did not worked for me. I tried values from -3,9 to 3,9, but the behavior did not changed. Only small pieces. <br />
I'm using the Probing version of the smartrap build 0.491 from github/thingiverse.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Xhnnas</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2014 02:51:22 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: I don&#039;t get out of the beta status...</title>
            <link>https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?344,410242,411194#msg-411194</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>verteez</strong><br />
I have a positive value and everything is working fine. <br />
If you want, check my configuration file,  maybe it will work for you?</div></blockquote>
<br />
Yes on my SmartRaps I use a positive value as well and a negative on the MagikMakers and i3 machines. But all of this depends on how the probe is setup and we have not seen clearly how this particular machine is setup.  The photo shown is not clear on how the sensor is working.<br />
As we all know, there are many different SmartRap variations now, and some are using very different probing systems and more are coming.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>regpye</dc:creator>
            <category>Smart_Rap</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:59:29 -0400</pubDate>
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