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Z Motor setup comparison

Posted by ECSuyu 
Z Motor setup comparison
August 17, 2012 08:01PM
Hi everyone,

So an update from our last post regarding speed vs. quality and time saving and the photos I had posted of the cylinders. We had mentioned that the banding issue from our prints were coming from bent acme rods that we had used within our beta machines. Since then we have swiched the rods out for some threaded rod nema 17 motors.


Motors by Tinkerine Studio, on Flickr

The motor on the left is the old setup that we had used, it consisted of 1/4" acme threaded rod + coupler + motor. The one on the right is the threaded rod nema 17 motors that we have now. The difference is night and day for the prints, heres a photo of the layer alignment


Layer alignment by Tinkerine Studio, on Flickr

We will be updating this with the exact same comparison of speed vs quality test but on the new setup.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/17/2012 08:02PM by ECSuyu.


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Kreativ-e
Tinkerine Studio
Re: Z Motor setup comparison
August 17, 2012 08:28PM
That's impressive. What is the price difference between the threaded NEMA 17 and the old setup, with NEMA 17, coupler, and threaded rod?


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Re: Z Motor setup comparison
August 18, 2012 12:48AM
Thanks Cameron, the parts were from when I had built my first mendel. I believe the prices were

pair of acme 1/4" with nut: $26
pair of couplers: $14
motors : $18/ea

Each motor for the old setup would have costed $38 before shipping was included, so my guess would be anywhere between $40-45 as the purchase was from a while ago.

The new threaded Nema 17 will sell for $70/ea. Ditto has the luxury of only using 1 Z motor but unfortunately Mendel's require 2 per machine which can add up quickly, but we believe the upgrades are worth it for the ease of achieving the quality. Each motor comes with 305mm leads and 4.4kg.cm of holding torque, way more than needed on the Z axis.

We finished 2 of the 4 comparison prints before our office become unbearably hot due to the recent heat wave we've got and the lack of an AC unit. I'll be heading to the studio again tomorrow to finish up the prints so we can have some photos to show of the improved quality.


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Kreativ-e
Tinkerine Studio
Re: Z Motor setup comparison
August 20, 2012 03:28PM
Here are the results of the same cylinder test that we used. New setup on the left, old on the right. The sets go 40mms/ 60mms/ 80mms/ 100mms

New Quality vs Speed 40mm/s Speed vs Quality test 1

New Quality vs Speed 60mm/s Speed vs Quality test 2

New Quality vs Speed 100mm/s Speed vs Quality test 3

New Quality vs Speed 80mm/s Speed vs Quality test 4


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Kreativ-e
Tinkerine Studio
Re: Z Motor setup comparison
August 20, 2012 04:00PM
Any idea what caused that jitter on the 17 minute (third) print? I thought it might have been extra speed but it calmed down for the fourth print.

They look gorgeous, though!
Re: Z Motor setup comparison
August 20, 2012 04:16PM
Thanks Mazaw, when you say jitters, are you referring to the ridges on the left? If so those are where the layers met and where the clip occurs in the print. Each of the prints have one of these points, When didnt notice the orientation of the photo when we took it. The below photo is what I am talking about

clip

Heres another update of the print quality we did on a calibration cube. Who doesnt love some good looking squares?

sharp-corner


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Kreativ-e
Tinkerine Studio
Re: Z Motor setup comparison
August 21, 2012 05:58AM
Quote

Any idea what caused that jitter on the 17 minute (third) print?

Looks like the choosen feedrates hit some printer resonance.

Regarding these motors ... where is the stepper motor shaft? I'm aware of motors which have a nut inside instead of a shaft, but then the rod whould go below the table on low Z levels.


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Re: Z Motor setup comparison
August 21, 2012 01:27PM
the leadscrew is the motor shaft, an there is no extra length that protrudes the other side of the motor.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2012 01:27PM by ECSuyu.


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Kreativ-e
Tinkerine Studio
Re: Z Motor setup comparison
August 22, 2012 03:31PM
Heres a test we did at 100 microns layers (0.1mm)

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Kreativ-e
Tinkerine Studio
Re: Z Motor setup comparison
June 09, 2013 05:34AM
You need a better NUT than the bronze nut for a much better performance.
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Re: Z Motor setup comparison
June 09, 2013 05:54AM
question is if these acme setuup was done right..

for example, i use longer nuts, on my cnc mill(M16), and they will also be on my 3d printer(working in progres.)

and they are alot better than these normal ones...


on my mill tolerances on meassured cutted part are -/+0.2 mm

about coupler. when you use this coupler, acme screw must be axially fixed with bearing. becouse that cutted spiral plays, i know, i have them too.
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