Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 25, 2014 05:01AM |
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Sometimes "editing a wiki page" is part of coursework and used for class credit.
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 25, 2014 02:02PM |
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 26, 2014 06:12AM |
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Reprap is at the point that it really needs some people dedicated to it 100%. That includes seeking funding, maintaining the wiki, maintaining the forum and continuing development, etc.. If we had someone who was working on the wiki full time [...]
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 26, 2014 06:19AM |
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adding other region suppliers would defeat the whole purpose of creating a localized page.....
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 26, 2014 08:36AM |
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The question is, what's the point of having localized pages beyond a picture of the facility and pointers to the printers available. What's the difference between a Wallace printing at PSU and a Wallace printing in the UK, in Japan or India?
Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 27, 2014 12:06AM |
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Reprap is at the point that it really needs some people dedicated to it 100%. That includes seeking funding, maintaining the wiki, maintaining the forum and continuing development, etc.. If we had someone who was working on the wiki full time [...]
If you find some funding opportunities I'm all ears.
Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 27, 2014 03:50PM |
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When people donate money they want to know who it is going to, what it will be used for and why.
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 28, 2014 12:30AM |
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 28, 2014 12:08PM |
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Dear Markus,
First: Thank you for your support and effort. Our appreciation for it cannot be stressed enough.
Others have already pointed out the motivation for the post which seems to have sparked this: The main purchasing page is meant to be general, but what was desired (in the mind of the student) was a page which had just the relevant (and updated) information for purchasing which students in the US might use (many of them go on to build their own printers after realizing that such a thing can be done, and so they appreciate this information). The global body of purchasing information as it was was not useful and the student opted to make a sub-page with the content of interest rather than reforming the main page to be US-centric (I mention this because the student is from the EU, so while I may be in my own little universe, I think they were cloning and modifying the page content in an effort to be respectful of the source of the information.) They informed me of the result of their edit (you really scared the shit out of them), unsure of what to do.
You bring up an interesting point which perhaps deserves more discussion: What pages are suitable for a local non-specialist to modify and how would they know where those are? Their experiences are limited to the designs with which they are familiar. They often do not have the background that most of the earlier editors had when including content, but are trying in earnest to give back to the community with their time and attention. I have often wanted to direct my students to more general wiki pages for improvement, but I face the same difficulty when asking them to improve our own additions: To what do they add? Where do they start? How drastically does their experience differ from those using other designs elsewhere? When are they qualified to give a useful answer? (this is the question they ask themselves , sometimes to the point of preventing any contributions at all). I think there's a real logistical problem here and i'm at a loss for a solution. This is an issue for all of us, so I welcome any wise suggestions which might be offered.
All the best!
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 30, 2014 07:43AM |
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Given that the Wiki contains outdated info, contradictory info and some just plain wrong info focusing on this edit is disproportionate to me. I think it could serve to do more to discourage participation rather than encourage participation. The students and young people are not only the future of this community but the community of the world as a whole. We, particularly those of us with more life experience (ie. old folks... ) need to foster and encourage gaining knowledge and sharing knowledge regardless of whether or not it fits into any preconceived notion of how the information is structured.
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 30, 2014 07:56AM |
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I think everyone prefers a "face to face" speech instead of a mail.
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Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 30, 2014 01:07PM |
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Given that the Wiki contains outdated info, contradictory info and some just plain wrong info focusing on this edit is disproportionate to me. I think it could serve to do more to discourage participation rather than encourage participation. The students and young people are not only the future of this community but the community of the world as a whole. We, particularly those of us with more life experience (ie. old folks... ) need to foster and encourage gaining knowledge and sharing knowledge regardless of whether or not it fits into any preconceived notion of how the information is structured.
I had hoped to make clear this one edit is just an example of a broader development. Solve this to the satisfaction of everybody and many others can follow.
Myself I'm one of the old folks, too (49 yo). To date I come more and more to the conclusion I simply see the world with very different eyes than many younger people. If there's an explicit invitation to everybody to edit pages and I see something in need of improvement, I hit the edit button without any hesitation. Fix a typo, add a formula, remove a duplicate, all stuff resolved the minute I find it.
From others I get requests to change even rarther simple things. They see something wrong, usually even know what the correction would be, but also think it needs an "expert" or some kind of presidential permit to change text. As such requests are likely just a small percentage of all spotted misalignments I'm very eager to find out what holds these people back. They write excellent blogs, they put excellent articles and descriptions into existence in their separated area, so what is holding them back to do the very same in the general area?
Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? April 30, 2014 03:17PM |
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Given that the Wiki contains outdated info, contradictory info and some just plain wrong info focusing on this edit is disproportionate to me. I think it could serve to do more to discourage participation rather than encourage participation. The students and young people are not only the future of this community but the community of the world as a whole. We, particularly those of us with more life experience (ie. old folks... ) need to foster and encourage gaining knowledge and sharing knowledge regardless of whether or not it fits into any preconceived notion of how the information is structured.
I had hoped to make clear this one edit is just an example of a broader development. Solve this to the satisfaction of everybody and many others can follow.
Myself I'm one of the old folks, too (49 yo). To date I come more and more to the conclusion I simply see the world with very different eyes than many younger people. If there's an explicit invitation to everybody to edit pages and I see something in need of improvement, I hit the edit button without any hesitation. Fix a typo, add a formula, remove a duplicate, all stuff resolved the minute I find it.
From others I get requests to change even rarther simple things. They see something wrong, usually even know what the correction would be, but also think it needs an "expert" or some kind of presidential permit to change text. As such requests are likely just a small percentage of all spotted misalignments I'm very eager to find out what holds these people back. They write excellent blogs, they put excellent articles and descriptions into existence in their separated area, so what is holding them back to do the very same in the general area?
Re: Why do some groups try to shell out from the RepRap community? May 01, 2014 06:57AM |
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if there is documentation out there that falls short of the providing the help that it is its ultimate purpose, fixing the document (e.g., s/producs/products/) seems like one of the more worthwhile reactions.
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