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Ohmarinus,
Thanks for the comments, yes I hate too heaters heating "air" the heater block is 20mm wide to cover the whole cartridge.
The idea behind the 2 cartridges is to speed up heating process, have a more stable temperature and be sure I can get high temperatures for current and future plastics.
Yes i'm too concerned about the "unscrew" part of my design, I'm trying to keep it simple and one of the solutions I thought was to use different threading directions like top right bottom left that way only one will tend to come loose. Other option is to use a locking pin or a square threaded block and screw on pin to prevent rotation. I will design this option and post it here to find consensus.
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Ohmarinus,
After your comments, I decided to implement a simple solution to the "unscrew" possibility, take a look at it and let me know.
Yes both cartridges will be connected to the same output via SSR. to protect the Mosfet from overload.
A2,
I been thinking of round ends instead of chamfer ones, my only concern with round ones is the possibility of misalignment due to machining but yes it will reduce any stress in the connection.
One more alternative i'm considering is use a thicker tube with a grove in both ends, and using a heated brass ring slided in the grove to serve as threading mechanism and for sealing purposes (might leak a little but will not pass the ring (see alternative1 picture) also the cost involve in this design is unknown.
Thanks for the advise, keep it coming.... I want to make this thing a reality for my Christmas present. ; )
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To add to this, one of the main reasons people have success with the j-head is because it has the transition phase is in the metal part of the hot end. The rest of it is purely insulation in my book.
The glass, or ceramic would be a much better solution to peek and teflon liners. The only thing that is missing from this design is an adjustable melt zone in the nozzle. From observing my printer with nozzles ranging from .4mm to .5mm, to 1.54mm I can say that these constants were observed.
The larger the extrusion nozzle there is the shorter the transition phase should be, to keep this in check and working you need two other variables tweaked. The thermal mass of the melt chamber should be higher when using large orafice, and the temperatures should be higher. My modified j-head only worked properly when above 230c while using a larger orafice, and worked very well at 250c, which causes the j-head to rapidly degrade.
On the flip side, the thermal mass should be lower when the nozzle is smaller and the transition zone longer.
To properly have a balanced hot end in my book it needs the following properties.
1 - glass/ceramic thermal insulator.
2 - long barrel (cermic or glass) A proper clamping mechanism needs to be worked out.
3 - adjustable thermal block (changing the transition zone from very short, to much longer) (~5mm should do it)
4 - quick change nozzles.
5 - thermal insulation of the heater block.
One other thing I observed when looking at commercial printers, is that they use ceramics as an insulator for the thermal block, not only that but they use a fairly high thermal mass across the board.
To further add to my ramblings. We can 3d print ceramic insulators, the problem is firing them to proper tensile strength. The ceramic insulator can be shaped after printing with a piece of polished glass tubing to hold the shape and smoothness while drying and before firing it. These ceramics can withstand 2000-3000c ranges. Not a bad way to go......
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LoboCNC,
jaguarking11 explained very good, but here is my side of the story:
I just finished a 36 hour print, and that's pretty much my standard, the fastest print I have done is 9 hours. The last piece requested was print on PLA at 0.1 layer height and 90% infill, yes I can increase temperature and try to print faster, but then quality suffer and if someone is paying me 70 to 90 dollars for a piece it needs to be perfect to the tee, some times I have to re print a part because something didn't look right at the 99% mark. Some times I see parts from vendors that makes me cry, I meant crap you are selling a printer and you supply such a bad printed part? Going to the point, a longer transition zone and a shorter melt zone is what I'm looking for and here is the reason, the melted filament is what you have ready for extrusion, if you need to print faster that parts goes quick then you need to melt the next portion to be used, if your melted zone is short, by the time you melt it it's gone and the next portion isn't ready yet (your transition zone is gone) and next you hear a clicking noise coming out of your extruder, if you have a longer transition zone and with the use of dual heaters, any portion of that zone that gets melted the same amount will get in transition.
Out of my short by valuable observations (to me) the transition zone do not create any friction and actually moves better inside the tube, it's the melted zome the one creating the friction so in theory a shorter melted zone will reduce friction, figure a 10 mm cylinder with a 10 mm piston (cylinder=tube piston=filament) and you press the piston to move oil, with one stroke you will be moving all the oil out of the cylinder, now change that piston to an 8mm, what happens? You still pull out some oil but some will slide up and that's exactly what its going inside that tube.
My test resulted in an equal size zones. 9mm each (approximately) I want to go at least 9 and 12~14mm increasing length is the only way because if I increase temperature I will be increasing the melted zone too.
So in theory and just in theory I could print faster without having to increase temperature and loosing quality due to it.
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