Re: Are you going upgrade to Windows 10 July 29, 2015 02:33PM |
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Re: Are you going upgrade to Windows 10 July 29, 2015 03:43PM |
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Impossible unless you are stupid enough to screw with it while a job is running, and not that different than pulling out an SD card. That is not a technology limitation, that is user error, and dumbing things down because people won't (or can't) think is not a solution - it just creates and coddles more idiots . . .
I've said it prior, and I will reiterate: the chance of a failed print due to the use of an appropriate advanced platform to drive a printer is so small as to be 'in the noise' and irrelevant compared to the chance of a print failing due to the printer itself. And the advantages of having the next job prepped and good to go *immediately* without waiting for an upload, or an upload/print/oops! slice error/off to the computer to reslice/reupload (sneakernet of the SD, or connect to the printer/put the computer back/print/oops! needed to fix support/repeat. I don't know about, I'm not willing to waste that much time to fix what is primarily a theoretical problem. And you really can't fully decouple the printer and computer fully, since, as I just noted, printers don't slice . . . or edit designs . . . etc. There will always be an associated computer of some source.
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Re: Are you going upgrade to Windows 10 July 29, 2015 06:03PM |
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Tadawson, your rant is beneath contempt and I wont waste any.more time responding to it.
Re: Are you going upgrade to Windows 10 July 29, 2015 06:09PM |
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tadawson
Impossible unless you are stupid enough to screw with it while a job is running, and not that different than pulling out an SD card. That is not a technology limitation, that is user error, and dumbing things down because people won't (or can't) think is not a solution - it just creates and coddles more idiots . . .
I've said it prior, and I will reiterate: the chance of a failed print due to the use of an appropriate advanced platform to drive a printer is so small as to be 'in the noise' and irrelevant compared to the chance of a print failing due to the printer itself. And the advantages of having the next job prepped and good to go *immediately* without waiting for an upload, or an upload/print/oops! slice error/off to the computer to reslice/reupload (sneakernet of the SD, or connect to the printer/put the computer back/print/oops! needed to fix support/repeat. I don't know about, I'm not willing to waste that much time to fix what is primarily a theoretical problem. And you really can't fully decouple the printer and computer fully, since, as I just noted, printers don't slice . . . or edit designs . . . etc. There will always be an associated computer of some source.
Your experience doesn't mirror the experience others with significant experience printing over the last few years. Printing via USB can be problematic for some due to issues with the toolchain that are beyond the control of the user. The printer control board, as good a job as they do, isn't terribly smart when using serial communication over USB. Using an SD card is slightly faster and more reliable than tethering a host to your machine. Stating that SD card printing is unequivically unreliable is not a reflection of the reality for those using SD cards to print as well as those using printers in production environments.
It is indeed possible to decouple the computer from the printer. It's much the same for any machine tool. The design and CAM (in this case slicing) is done on a host and transfered to the machine. One notable exception is a CO2 laser engraver/cutter than uses a traditional Windows print driver but even many of those have SD capability once the job is prepared. I'll run a machine for testing having it tethered but the bots in the farm use an SD card to print from. The SD card in most cases is inside a Rasp Pi running Octoprint but I still have a couple of machines that have display/card readers. In the case of one of the machines it's an original i3 single that's almost 3 years old, still running strong.
Circling back to the OP, before you guys upgrade your primary machine for printing make sure at least three things are compatable with Win 10. Those would be your printer host (if you tether or use one) your slicer and the Arduino dev environment. Secondarlly whatever modeling software you use as well. Unless you've got a machine to dedicate or use for your printer until you decide if it works for you, hold off and see how others are doing. If you've got a machine that can be idle if there is an issue with the upgrade then go for it. Eventually, everyone the keeps using Windows will need to upgrade to Win 10 though you may not want to do it until the first service pack is available.
Re: Are you going upgrade to Windows 10 August 01, 2015 06:38PM |
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wow can you feel the lurv in this thread![]()
Printing from SD is great. Printing from a PC is great. If you have issues with either, you are doing something wrong. Post a question to your relative issue under a relative title ie "problems printing with SD Card" etc, and you will get good answers. If printing from a PC turn off all auto updates/auto sleep/auto update etc so the machine doesnt interrupt itself during the print.
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Re: Are you going upgrade to Windows 10 November 08, 2015 09:04AM |
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aegis1980
Recommend Octoprint for Raspberry Pi. I have Octo running on Mark I rasp pi over home network (LAN). Am running latest version of slic3r on newly upgraded win 10 laptop - there is the option to flick it straight through to the RaspPi Octo server in Slic3r. You then access octo control interface through browser - you just click print and watch the magic.
Really is TOO easy.
Re: Are you going upgrade to Windows 10 November 09, 2015 12:10PM |
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