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you gonna put the effort into polishing the heatbreaks?
will be seasoned with olive oil always considered the need to oil a bowden tube as an old wife's tale! year and half off using bowden setup oiling the ptfe tubing just aint in the manual. so lets not be making out oiling the tubes is some how a beneficial worth paying more for,,, just call it a rebuild service and be done with it!!.
for an assured clone to work folks only have to use ali $8-12 complete v6, extra heatbreaks with liner $3-4 so at the low end $12. you thinking 35 euro for a counterfeit!!! far better to resell reworked heatbreaks growing number of folks may appreciate a polished break service?. as for bad parts generally it's the heatbreak those aluminium blocks can take a beating still preform as expected so dont really expect there be to much waste. unless you opting to bulk buy the cast off clone of a clone... 99% issues with china made HE all comes back to the heatbreaks......
" will have thermal paste on the heatbreak." now am I curious would there be enough paste left between the threads to be of any benefit,
"1.75/3mm usage ratio is,in other words how much more popular is 1.75mm filament" 1.75 gotta be the most common these day., but really doesnt matter, cant the clones be fitted with either liner?
out of respect for sanja and the rest of the E3D team hope you drop the notion of using E£D in your advertising, think its pretty assured they would not want to be associated, so why not rebrand call it the PHANTOM!!
"Would you buy one of these for 35 euro/ 40 Usd/ 30 Gbp incl shipping? (Original is 50 euro unassembled, 65 euro assembled , without shipping)" personally if i saved 35 then I save the rest a week later to get a genuine... its possible to get a complete setup from spool to hotend for £38 and you selling just an hotend for £30.
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If you want to actually sell something that no one else is selling, how about modifying the hotend heatsinks by adding a thermal fuse that will kill power to the heater if there is a failure at the controller board? The thermal fuses top out at about 270C- much too close to actual extrusion temperatures, but if you mount the fuse on the heatsink, it can still work. You'll have to profile the heatsink for temperature rise while printing at different temperatures and choose an appropriate location and fuse to mount.
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I think the idea is sound but the economics might be challenging. I've bought plenty of clones, some work well especially the Big Tree Tech ones from Aliexpress, presuming you build them properly. However I've switched to genuine as I just don't want to have the trouble of the occasional jams. The fans supplied are usually useless and the bearings give up within days/weeks of using them, however the cast aluminium blocks are easier to work with than the machined blocks on genuine e3d, and they don't have to be that strong to work, so I don't see the machined block as a bonus, sure they're shiny when new but after 100 hours printing who can tell?
But the economics are tricky, Even if you work on a ratio of 30% duds discarded its difficult to make enough to cover your time including dealing with the inevitable returns from customers who expected a working hotend as they paid EUR 35 not EUR 11. Sure there are economies if you buy lots. But even if you're spending EUR 8 per clone, discarding 1 in 3, having to get them shipped, possibly paying customs/VAT or other tax then selling them for anything close to the cost of an E3D lite 6 you won't sell that many. I see clones as good for the beginner, they're cheap and they teach you how to (and how not to) assemble a hot end, so great for getting started but once you get serious about 3d printing you buy genuine as the time involved in getting the clone to work and fixing them when they jam etc.. is not worth the money saved.
If you could sell a reworked clone for EUR 20 you might get some takers, but if you're UK based there's the low value of the pound eating into your profits too.
On topic I'd say 65% 1.75mm and 35% 3mm. But 1.75mm is gaining traction, its easier to handle, comes off the spool easier, goes through bowden tubes easier, you can use the last few metres without feed problems. Unless you consider flexibles then 3mm still has a strong case.
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