First-time Kit: Which is Better, FLSun i3 Plus or ZoneStar Z8X? May 10, 2018 05:36AM |
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Re: First-time Kit: Which is Better, FLSun i3 Plus or ZoneStar Z8X? May 11, 2018 02:42AM |
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Trakyan
... avoid dual extrusion, avoid mendel/prusa printers (especially big ones like these printers), and you probably don't actually need a big build volume.
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Also, avoid open frame laser machines. Just don't do it, there is a very good reason all laser cutters/engravers bar a select few very cheap and low powered ones from china come with an enclosure. Hell, even a lot of the chinese ones come with an enclosure. You know it's essential when the cheap knockoffs are doing it too.
Re: First-time Kit: Which is Better, FLSun i3 Plus or ZoneStar Z8X? May 11, 2018 03:09AM |
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Re: First-time Kit: Which is Better, FLSun i3 Plus or ZoneStar Z8X? May 11, 2018 05:07AM |
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Yeah, I've heard about bugs with dual extrusion, but I've never had any, having used both the 3D Systems CubePro and Ekocycle printers (which I hated- I don't like enclosed, un-mod-able, not open source printers). Things like oozing, calibration, and nozzle alignment are all things I'm aware of and willing to deal with if I ever have to, but being able to print in a solid material like PLA and add flex TPU joints in key places would really be helpful for some of the projects I do.
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I'm not sure why I should avoid Prusa/Mendel printers, you might have to elaborate that. I'm aware of all of the advantages (and disadvantages) of different designs, and the Prusa/Mendels seem perfectly fine. There's a reason they are the most popular design on the market, and that's because they are cheap to make, easy to fix, and offer really decent structural qualities. I have no idea whatsoever why a bigger printer would be any worse than a small one, extra Z-wobble is the only problem I can think of (and I know how to fix it).
I doubt they wouldn't tolerate that sort of construction. A lot of the time the glue holds up just as well if not better than the 3D prints themselves. That and I wouldn't go using 3D prints that big for anything other than decoration. 3D printing doesn't produce particularly strong parts and they don't scale very well. I haven't seen many large, functional prints at all.Quote
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And I do actually need the big build volume. I am the sort of guy who doesn't like slicing up models, and most of the projects I do wouldn't tolerate that sort of construction (big -like really big- drones, robot arms, large mobile single-piece gantries, etc.) I need the volume so I have the option to print tall, or go wide, or both. Batch prints are another thing that I would like to do regularly, and that makes the larger bed a better option.
I don't quite get what you mean. As far as the firmware is concerned the zonestar board might as well be a RAMPS, or Mks gen, or whatever. In any case if you feel like replacing it, it's like $10 for a RAMPS kit, hardly the largest sum of money you'll be spending.Quote
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The part about the bearings makes sense, I can see how those would be tiresome. The fact that very little documentation of the ZoneStar board is what concerns me, not the microcontroller part. It's hard to program something you don't know the specs for.
Re: First-time Kit: Which is Better, FLSun i3 Plus or ZoneStar Z8X? May 11, 2018 11:12AM |
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You dont use lasers over glass or alu beds as they act like mirrors reflecting the laser into your pets and family.
Re: First-time Kit: Which is Better, FLSun i3 Plus or ZoneStar Z8X? May 11, 2018 12:43PM |
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Flinging the print around (especially big prints) is a bad idea. 3D printers are relatively fast machines, for fast machines moving mass is bad. More moving mass causes more vibration and deflection from acceleration/deceleration forces. Secondly, flinging the print back and forth will cause the print itself to wobble and shake, which will cause even more artifacting, especially on big prints like you're wanting. Yes they're cheap, that's why they're popular, can't argue with that, just saying there are better options, especially for big printers. You can lessen (not get rid of) these issues by printing slow, but that will make your already long (since they're big prints) take even longer. I realize I sound like an ass here, but you should make sure you fully understand the problems with the i3 style design and scaling it up.
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My opinion on big printers is this. For functional parts you wont need big, simply because FDM parts just aren't strong enough for whatever big part you're planning. For printing giant vases, you'll get bored before the first one's done.
Re: First-time Kit: Which is Better, FLSun i3 Plus or ZoneStar Z8X? May 12, 2018 07:44AM |
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I've actually heard bad things about that tronxy. Also, they don't all follow the same format (for example the tronxy is a coreXY, ultimakers used a cross axis gantry and there are also the standard cartesians where X rides on Y etc.). Lastly, cube style printers are actually smaller for a given build volume than i3 printers. They only need to be as big as the build volume+space for motors and electronics, whereas the i3 needs to fit those same things and be at least twice as big in the Y direction as its Y axis travel. They are definitely not more compact and easy to carry, I have both styles of printer so I speak from experience.Quote
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Okay, I see your point. So you would have me believe that something like the Tronxy X5S would be a better choice for a large volume kit printer. I suppose I could consider that. I guess this is one of the better things about the Cube printers, they follow the same format (same with Ultimaker, Raise 3D, and several others, come to think of it). The problems start when I want to move the printer, having a huge cubelike frame makes that really difficult, not to mention all the added weight. The biggest thing I don't like about those particular designs is the complexity of the belt systems, making it difficult to assemble and repair.
Re: First-time Kit: Which is Better, FLSun i3 Plus or ZoneStar Z8X? May 12, 2018 02:23PM |
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The belt systems are not very complex once you actually put one together, and there are simpler and more complicated ones to pick from. The simplest ones are no different from an i3 (look at the replicator, solidoodle and similar plain cartesian machines). I suggest you do a bit more research on the mechanics of the machines and their strengths and weaknesses, you seem like you've skimmed over a lot.
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