Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 18, 2016 12:13PM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 18, 2016 12:53PM |
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w3drk
I hadn't even noticed the price change, but you're right. I just checked, looks like it went up 5 CAD. Still a good deal.
Shapeoko....I've been having a heck of a time getting decent Delrin V-wheels for my Ord Bot. It seems many are made with the inner "step" milled a good bit thinner than the 1mm shim, so the Delrin wheel can slide side to side on the bearings. I even had one V-wheel with so much run-out it actually wore a low spot in the Makerslide. I just rebuilt the printer with Anodized Makerslide (the Ord Bot kit I got from ATI came with soft mill finish stuff) and it took two packs of 20 V-wheels to just find 14 good ones. All the shims were slightly over-sized and the Delrin steps were undersized. Inventables acknowledged there has been some quality issues with their V-wheel supplier (and they sent me 20 more wheels for free) so I'm hopeful whoever is making them gets it right. How hard is it to mill a 1mm thick step in a piece of Delrin?
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 21, 2016 03:11AM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 21, 2016 05:23AM |
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flyway97
thanks w3drk and other friends, we have change the Crystal,replace CSTCE25M0V53-R0 with QRA26B25.0000MFT2C2F, replace CSTCE12M0V53-R0 with QRA26B12.0000MFT2C2F to fix the Ethernet bug, now we change it by manual and will fix the problem on next version.
We don't find the bug because we print some small file by lan and it is ok in our Lan. But use CSTCE25M0V53-R0 is our fault,it will cause unstable,and we did not test MKS Sbase by Ethernet for long time. After change crystal we test it by print a big file about eight days by lan , and it is ok.
we feel sorry for the bug, and from now on,all MKS Sbase V1.2 will change as fellow:
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 21, 2016 05:32AM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 21, 2016 06:58AM |
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flyway97
thanks w3drk and other friends, we have change the Crystal,replace CSTCE25M0V53-R0 with QRA26B25.0000MFT2C2F, replace CSTCE12M0V53-R0 with QRA26B12.0000MFT2C2F to fix the Ethernet bug, now we change it by manual and will fix the problem on next version.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 21, 2016 09:19AM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 21, 2016 12:44PM |
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Agreed. If you open sourced this you wouldn't be looked down on as much and you would have a superior product at a reasonable price (might even make Smoothie stand up and take notice). It is up to the originators but I suspect they will remain foolish and SBASE will just be a niche product that will never be accepted by the community until they open source it.Quote
w3drk
[snip]And I agree with realthor and others, please open source this board. We're doing much of the leg-work researching and fixing your design faults anyway, just license it as open source and provide the design files on Github. You'll end up with a more refined product and probably sell more as a result anyway.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 21, 2016 05:34PM |
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Dark Alchemist
Agreed. If you open sourced this you wouldn't be looked down on as much and you would have a superior product at a reasonable price (might even make Smoothie stand up and take notice). It is up to the originators but I suspect they will remain foolish and SBASE will just be a niche product that will never be accepted by the community until they open source it.Quote
w3drk
[snip]And I agree with realthor and others, please open source this board. We're doing much of the leg-work researching and fixing your design faults anyway, just license it as open source and provide the design files on Github. You'll end up with a more refined product and probably sell more as a result anyway.
I still do not understand how something open source can be taken from then closed source?
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 21, 2016 09:17PM |
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You know after this fiasco I have changed my tune. I am a convert (thank Arthur for some of this change and the makers of SBASE for the rest) and I can't sink my hard earned money, regardless how little, into a product that would only get better, and maybe even less costly, if it complied with the open source arena considering it took from it to begin with.Quote
WZ9V
I believe that's called it's just not worth the hassle and expense of enforcing the open source license. I do believe that have tried all the low cost alternatives but since that didn't work its lawyer time and that's expensive.
I like the SBASE board layout but I won't buy one until it complies with the original license.
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Dark Alchemist
Agreed. If you open sourced this you wouldn't be looked down on as much and you would have a superior product at a reasonable price (might even make Smoothie stand up and take notice). It is up to the originators but I suspect they will remain foolish and SBASE will just be a niche product that will never be accepted by the community until they open source it.Quote
w3drk
[snip]And I agree with realthor and others, please open source this board. We're doing much of the leg-work researching and fixing your design faults anyway, just license it as open source and provide the design files on Github. You'll end up with a more refined product and probably sell more as a result anyway.
I still do not understand how something open source can be taken from then closed source?
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 22, 2016 01:34AM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 22, 2016 04:39AM |
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I thought for it to be open source that all of it had to be. It is like a pregnancy where you either are or you are not as there is no partial to it but I could be wrong.Quote
flyway97
to Chri: i have reply you, thank you.
to karabas : [www.gzdydz.cn]
to w3drk : we change uC oscillator because it will be better for the lan, and not relate to lockup issues. the lockup issues maybe come from sd card problem. we have found MKS Sbase need better sd card then Mega2560's board.
I have send SCH and PCB and BOM file of MKS SBase V1.2 on to Github, they can be find here: https://github.com/makerbase-mks/MKS-SBASE ,and the file is MKS SBASE BOM_V12.xls and MKS SBASE SCH_V12.pdf . Maybe it is enough to research the board.
Sorry for not open the source file,because we worry about it will be clone with bad component. and we are accused by purchaser they mistake we produce the clone board(this things has happen on our other board)
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 22, 2016 09:22AM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 22, 2016 12:52PM |
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w3drk
@flyway97, thanks for the BOM, that is at least a little helpful.
I must admit I find it ironic you're afraid of the SBASE being copied in an inferior way, is that not what the SBASE is of the official Smoothieboard? Folks are purchasing this controller thinking it's supported by Smoothieware when it's not, then left to fix your issues with switching noise, analog ground, and now the wrong PHY and uC clock devices. By basing the SBASE off the Smoothieboard design (yet still making silly mistakes) you're legally (and morally) bound by the license to contribute your work back to the community using the same license as the Smoothieboard. You're benefiting from the hard work of the community yet contributing nothing useful back in return. You can't have it both ways.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 22, 2016 02:03PM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 25, 2016 09:24AM |
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Did you already fix it in your newest version? V1.4 ?Quote
flyway97
to Chri: i have reply you, thank you.
to karabas : [www.gzdydz.cn]
to w3drk : we change uC oscillator because it will be better for the lan, and not relate to lockup issues. the lockup issues maybe come from sd card problem. we have found MKS Sbase need better sd card then Mega2560's board.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 27, 2016 04:03PM |
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1.3 and 1.4 are fakes.Quote
karabas
Did you already fix it in your newest version? V1.4 ?Quote
flyway97
to Chri: i have reply you, thank you.
to karabas : [www.gzdydz.cn]
to w3drk : we change uC oscillator because it will be better for the lan, and not relate to lockup issues. the lockup issues maybe come from sd card problem. we have found MKS Sbase need better sd card then Mega2560's board.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China January 28, 2016 03:51AM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 14, 2016 08:42PM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 14, 2016 09:10PM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 14, 2016 09:52PM |
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I hope he meant one of the new versions with the "fixes" else wow, lol.Quote
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gotswrv
SO
Has anyone gotten hands on one of the sbase boards?
Yes, this thread contains 11 pages of discussion about several user's experiences with the MKS-SBASE.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 16, 2016 02:04PM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 19, 2016 08:54PM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 19, 2016 10:23PM |
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Now that is just being damn lazy. TL;DR modern laziness.Quote
tim3716
Can someone give me a quick recap of the 11 pages? Is the SBASE board worth the money at the moment?
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 03:11AM |
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Dark Alchemist
Now that is just being damn lazy. TL;DR modern laziness.Quote
tim3716
Can someone give me a quick recap of the 11 pages? Is the SBASE board worth the money at the moment?
Here is your answer....NO! Absolutely not unless you know for 100% fact you will get the version with their fix but even then do not expect any help from the open source community if you have any issues because this product is not a fully open sourced piece of hardware so if they can turn their backs on the OS community they get it back in return. If you don't care just realize you might and if you end up with the non "fixed version" you are SOL!
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 04:16AM |
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Dark Alchemist
Now that is just being damn lazy. TL;DR modern laziness.Quote
tim3716
Can someone give me a quick recap of the 11 pages? Is the SBASE board worth the money at the moment?
Here is your answer....NO! Absolutely not unless you know for 100% fact you will get the version with their fix but even then do not expect any help from the open source community if you have any issues because this product is not a fully open sourced piece of hardware so if they can turn their backs on the OS community they get it back in return. If you don't care just realize you might and if you end up with the non "fixed version" you are SOL!
Please don't speak for the open source community.
I'm glad to help anyone and even the smoothieboard guys are ready to answer smoothieware related problems.
-Olaf
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 09:01AM |
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I can tell you what I was told (just scroll back) and I will repeat it. If you want to be a sexual slave to a closed source product and whore out your willingness to help (admirable but ill placed) for a closed source product that only takes and does give back then you need your head examined. As far as most people they will tell him to Peter off and/or go buy the real deal that does help that which they took from.Quote
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Dark Alchemist
Now that is just being damn lazy. TL;DR modern laziness.Quote
tim3716
Can someone give me a quick recap of the 11 pages? Is the SBASE board worth the money at the moment?
Here is your answer....NO! Absolutely not unless you know for 100% fact you will get the version with their fix but even then do not expect any help from the open source community if you have any issues because this product is not a fully open sourced piece of hardware so if they can turn their backs on the OS community they get it back in return. If you don't care just realize you might and if you end up with the non "fixed version" you are SOL!
Please don't speak for the open source community.
I'm glad to help anyone and even the smoothieboard guys are ready to answer smoothieware related problems.
-Olaf
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 09:10AM |
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Well, not exactly what happened to me incognito as #1 yes. #2 Yes but tell the person to get a real Smoothieboard. #3 If the same people are around you either get silence or you get them telling you to get a real Smoothieboard, or Azteeg that gives back to the OS community then they will help you. Others mileage may vary.Quote
arthurwolf
Well, my personal position on this ( and everybody in the community has their own ), is that answering support request for a closed-source board running our open-source firmware is going to go like this :
1. Is the answer super super simple ? If yes, just answer.
2. If the answer is not super simple, and is likely to take a bit of time to figure out, then tell the person with the problem that they should probably contact the seller before asking the community.
3. If the person with the problem asks again ( maybe the seller didn't answer, maybe they didn't ask ), help with the problem.
That's not as simple as what would happen with a Smoothieboard, but people do get help ultimately.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 09:14AM |
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Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 09:46AM |
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Yes. Just get it from the primary maker of it; Maker BaseQuote
tim3716
Can someone give me a quick recap of the 11 pages? Is the SBASE board worth the money at the moment?