Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 10:46AM |
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Whatever Arthur but I told you what to look for and I told you what the general time frame was and anything else screw it (comeon who in the hell jots down times and dates for the common bull crap that happens on #reprap since I am not OCD I sure in the heck do not) and I no longer really give a flip as it happened and it will continue to happen whether you flipping believe it or not. Not you who did it so not under your control but don't flipping sit there and try and tell me it didn't happen because I will call you a liar as I know what happened. If you couldn't simply scan (ctrl-f) what I said I did in that time frame I gave you then that is your problem. Now move on because it happened and it isn't for you to control #reprap.Quote
arthurwolf
For the hundredth time : you claim to having been mistreated, but won't give me an exact nick and date. I have logs of all the channels, I can find the conversation, and we can see if you were mistreated or not.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 10:57AM |
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Well, that is all nice and good and all of that but what goes around comes around and I highly doubt the Chinese care to learn from the "Westerners". I will say this (has nothing to do with open source but does say something about China) China is now in a recession AND they just announced that China was going to be a service based economy (like we did in the late 1980s under GW Bush) because their companies are leaving them. Not us but their own companies leaving them because 500 per month was too much so their companies (their largest shoe maker in the country just left) are leaving for Africa where the labor makes 50 dollars per month. That sure sounds like a Western mentality to me so maybe they will come around within the next 100 years but who knows.Quote
dintid
Yes. Just get it from the primary maker of it; Maker BaseQuote
tim3716
Can someone give me a quick recap of the 11 pages? Is the SBASE board worth the money at the moment?
Milage might vary of course. Lots of people help, even if some view them as "leeches", but others don't want to help persons who happens to buy a copy.
I believe in Open Source, and I absolutely believe the Chinese (and others) should get real open source, but they just do not grasp that concept. We can't fault them for not having the same concept of this. At least Makers Base tries to help and give back what they can.
I have seen chinese firms put software on github to helpe people modify/customize it.. that is friendly, yes? They even put a crack for the software up as well... is that also friendly, or maybe misguided? What I'm saying is, that many actually do try to act as "The western World", but there are just so many differences in cultural and economical behaviour.
In reality people demand something from the Chinese manufacturers, which they actually believe they are allready doing since they have put stuff on Github. Antagonizing them by calling them names is not going to further the goals of being truely open source...
On the other hand, I don't think I have EVER seen a chinese manufacturer, reseller, or other non-ingame-person harass anyone, or participate in name calling.. as many do here!!
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 11:16AM |
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dintid
I believe in Open Source, and I absolutely believe the Chinese (and others) should get real open source, but they just do not grasp that concept. We can't fault them for not having the same concept of this.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 11:20AM |
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Dark Alchemist
Whatever Arthur but I told you what to look for and I told you what the general time frame was and anything else screw it.Quote
arthurwolf
For the hundredth time : you claim to having been mistreated, but won't give me an exact nick and date. I have logs of all the channels, I can find the conversation, and we can see if you were mistreated or not.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 01:07PM |
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I completely agree with all of this.Quote
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dintid
I believe in Open Source, and I absolutely believe the Chinese (and others) should get real open source, but they just do not grasp that concept. We can't fault them for not having the same concept of this.
Chinese folks are not less intelligent or less educated than other folks. The have universities, the Internet, build factory, design things, have artists, trolls, criminals, philosophers, lawyers, magicians, everything ...
They are not extra-terrestrials, or some tribe in the Amazon that has never had contact with civilization.
Plenty of people in China understand the concept of Open-Source, and many even respect it's principles. Plenty of people outside of China understand the concept of Open-Source and choose not to respect it.
Those that do not respect it *choose* not to do so, no matter if they are in China or not, either by not doing the most basic research, or just by understanding it but choosing not to respect it anyway.
This is not a "cultural difference" thing, this is a simple to understand concept, that is very well explained, in many places.
I'm sorry to say, but I feel like suggesting they can't understand something this simple is belittling the Chinese people as a whole.
And those that choose not to respect other's work do not have the excuse of not being clever enough as is suggested here : they are responsible for their actions.
Re: New MKS SBASE Smoothieware-compatible board from China February 20, 2016 02:06PM |
Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 245 |
I Obviously made my statement based on a lot of TALKS I've had with them. I have dealt extensively with multiple chinese Merchants, so no, I'm not belittling them. They actually do try to be accomodating, but they do OFCOUSE do so based on their cultural context.Quote
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I completely agree with all of this.Quote
arthurwolf
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dintid
I believe in Open Source, and I absolutely believe the Chinese (and others) should get real open source, but they just do not grasp that concept. We can't fault them for not having the same concept of this.
Chinese folks are not less intelligent or less educated than other folks. The have universities, the Internet, build factory, design things, have artists, trolls, criminals, philosophers, lawyers, magicians, everything ...
They are not extra-terrestrials, or some tribe in the Amazon that has never had contact with civilization.
Plenty of people in China understand the concept of Open-Source, and many even respect it's principles. Plenty of people outside of China understand the concept of Open-Source and choose not to respect it.
Those that do not respect it *choose* not to do so, no matter if they are in China or not, either by not doing the most basic research, or just by understanding it but choosing not to respect it anyway.
This is not a "cultural difference" thing, this is a simple to understand concept, that is very well explained, in many places.
I'm sorry to say, but I feel like suggesting they can't understand something this simple is belittling the Chinese people as a whole.
And those that choose not to respect other's work do not have the excuse of not being clever enough as is suggested here : they are responsible for their actions.
They do understand but they choose to ignore it and I had a conversation about a lot of the stuff sold on eBay from China from a Chinese in China and he said that the stuff they sell there is made for the other markets and the best stuff is kept for the Chinese. Go look at the electronic/electrical stuff sold from China to the rest of the world as there are plenty of horror stories with prime examples of the crap they sell to us.
Take for instance a yellow third wire. Hmmm, why is this not hooked up? It is long enough and it has the connection for it right next to it but isn't for the majority of the goods which makes the metal enclosed item a potential death trap. You can't tell me they just didn't know so I tell everyone that if it comes from China open it up immediately and check it for missing/loose screws and the wires go where they belong. I shudder to think of the people (the majority) that buy this stuff that has no idea about electronics and just uses it. I am really surprised there aren't more deaths from things like metal enclosed outside lights with the unattached ground wire.
Oh, China knows full well what it is doing from the fake Apple stores that are dead ringers for the real thing to the faulty electronics to the specs all being between 2 to 4 times overly inflated to stomping all over open source. As you said they are not extra terrestrials.
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I've read the DRV8825 has timing issues with faster 32bit controllers and certain firmware. Now add the switching time of the diodes in series and you have missed a few steps more.
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