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For quick movement with longevity you need multi-start high lead ball screws and that is not compatible with low cost.
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Re: Lead Screw usage for X and Y axes February 05, 2016 04:10PM |
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Re: Lead Screw usage for X and Y axes February 17, 2016 02:35AM |
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Hi Guys
Thought I would join in on the conversation, I currently have a Ormerod 2 I purchased 18 months ago and have spent countless hours and material trying to improve the print quality. I have recently decided to abandon my Ormerod and have been searching the web for a better solution, as the saying goes no matter how much you polish a turd it's still a turd.
I have also found a low cost ball screw from the UK it doesn't say that its ground so I will assume its rolled, but it does supply some specs and an online calculator for max rpm. I was going to use this to replace the Z axis on my Ormerod 2.
[www.zappautomation.co.uk] -Speed
I do have a question that I would like to put forward I've done some calcs for Belt vs Lead Screw using a 20T GT2 linear motion ~47mm/200 steps = 0.23mm/step half that for corexy machine = .11 mm/step vs Tr8 4 start linear motion 8mm/200 steps =0.04mm/step
please correct me if Im wrong but to achieve a positional accuracy of less than 0.1mm you would be much better of with a lead screw?
question 2 if you want to build a ball/lead screw 3D printer with a cartesian print head, this would require the X axis motor mounted to the carriage increasing the weight, would you use two screws for the Y axis? or is that over complicating the system.
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Re: Lead Screw usage for X and Y axes February 17, 2016 04:08AM |
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What makes you think that using leadscrews will avoid whatever problems you are having with the Ormerod 2? That would only be the case if you have a loose belt or loose pulley that you haven't fixed.
Have you asked for help on the Ormerod forum? Many of us get good prints from our Ormerods.
I think leadscrews for X and Y axes are mostly of benefit on very large printers for which belts would be very long.
Re: Lead Screw usage for X and Y axes February 17, 2016 04:58AM |
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May be I have missed something but nowhere can I see any valid justification for the use of ball lead screws on these machines !
Re: Lead Screw usage for X and Y axes March 02, 2016 06:05PM |
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I made the i3 leadscrew upgrade with PLA, since the z axis has much less movement I was too worry about the pla melt away or eaten by the leadscrew.
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I'm using Nema 17 48mm long motor, it might work better if I redesign the X Y motor mount and add 2 gears to it to bring up the torque it should work well, but that just a tho, maybe different in reality
Re: Lead Screw usage for X and Y axes March 03, 2016 01:11PM |
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I need to change my x y to minimum of 4 starts, but since I had extra single start I tho I give it a try, but it will take forever to print anything
I am a bit puzzled. Does you Y motor moves the X carriage and the X moves the Y carriage ?
Re: Lead Screw usage for X and Y axes March 04, 2016 01:32AM |
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I made the i3 leadscrew upgrade with PLA, since the z axis has much less movement I was too worry about the pla melt away or eaten by the leadscrew.
Did you use PLA for the Z-nut? Cool! That saves a machined part and maybe even some money
At what speed does the XY axes of the big printer top out? 30 mm/s or faster? How long is the travel per revolution on the big printers XY axes?
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I'm using Nema 17 48mm long motor, it might work better if I redesign the X Y motor mount and add 2 gears to it to bring up the torque it should work well, but that just a tho, maybe different in reality
Would be interesting to see how gears works out. Play in gearing mechanism might get noticeable and the higher rotational speeds might affect the wear on the nut...
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As it is the printer tops out at around 25mm/s to 30mm/s I don't think it go any faster with 1 start.
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Re: Lead Screw usage for X and Y axes March 04, 2016 07:38AM |
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As it is the printer tops out at around 25mm/s to 30mm/s I don't think it go any faster with 1 start.
Is it mid-band resonance that limits the speed? (would look like these videos: [1], [2], [3]).
BTW, found a video showing anti-resonant drivers + rotating the nut: [4] The cheapest anti-resonance stepper drivers I've found are $40 each [5]. This makes cheap leadscrew + anti-resonance driver a cheaper option than branded aggressive leadscrew + cheap driver. Still not cheap though...
I wonder why anti-resonance drivers are so expensive? The problem of resonance seems easy enough to understand (mass/spring system [6], [7]) and the solution of electronic damping seems simple enough to implement at home [8].
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