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300 colour printed thingy

Posted by deckingman 
300 colour printed thingy
April 01, 2016 04:29AM
Well in theory it's 300 colours but in practice 99% red mixed with 1% blue is difficult to detect any difference between that and 100% red with the naked eye (at least with my old eyes it is).

This was done using a Diamond hot end fitted to what was originally a RepRapPro Mendel 3 tricolour. The object is just a cylinder 80mm diameter by 90mm high, sliced as normal (single colour) using Slic3r, 3 perimeters, 3 base layers, no top and no infill, 3mm layer height, 0.5mm nozzle (the original diamond was 0.4mm). Then a script was used to go through the gcode file and insert a line after every layer change by looking for "G1 Z". The inserted line started with a M567 command to change the mixing ratios. It started with filament A (red) at 100% and filaments B (blue) and C (yellow) at 0%. For each layer, filament A was reduced by 1% (0.01) and filament B increased by 1% until after 100 layers filament A was zero and filament B was 100%. At this point, filament B was then reduced by 1% every layer and filament C increased by 1% until after another 100 layers, filament B was zero and filament C was at 100%. From this point, filament C was then reduced by 1% and filament A increased by 1% until after another 100 layers we end up back where we started with filament A at 100% and the other two at zero. If the object had been taller than 90mm (300 layers), then the process would have repeated.

I've take 3 pictures at different angles and hopefully you will be able to see that the colour "bands" are different. The reason is that as the filament comes out of the hot end, it is more like stripy tooth paste than fully mixed. So, for each colour it is biased towards the side nearest that particular extruder. To prove this, I printed a 3 sided pyramid and orientated it so that each face was directly opposite one of the filament inputs. I then printed it using equal ratios of Red, Gold and Black. The resultant object 3 different coloured faces. One is a kind dark red, another bronze and the third is black.

I'd like to take this opportunity to say a big thanks to the reprap community and especially those members who are active on these forums for all their help and assistance which has enabled me to create this "thingy".

Happy to answer any questions.
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Re: 300 colour printed thingy
April 01, 2016 06:16PM
Very nice! Maybe someone will write a nice program with a user friendly interface for setting up layer-based filament mix changes.

How well does the Diamond hot end work if you do a long print with just one colour and then switch to a different colour? I've heard that in mixing or switching hot ends, it can be hard to prevent the filament being extruded from back feeding up the heat breaks for the inactive filament.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
April 02, 2016 06:12PM
Not had a problem with "unused" filaments "backfeeding". I do most of my printing in single colour and when I want to switch to a different colour or do mixing, I just "turn on" the relevant extruder and away it goes. Of course, one has to keep filament loaded in all the inputs all the time. Initial loading of filaments is tricky. For me the solution was to load filament all the way to the end of the bowden tubes when I first fitted them. Then heat the hot end and slowly turn each extruder a few mm. Keep adjusting each extruder in turn until it starts to come out of the nozzle. If you don't do that, filament will back up in any unused inputs then cool and block the nozzle. Once the initial loading of filaments has been done, changing them is easy. I just heat the hot end to around 190degC, retract the filament slowly, then feed in the new one until it oozes out of the nozzle. Of course, it is important to only do one filament at a time. Make sure it is flowing freely before changing the next filament.

It's also very important to ensure that the bowden tube goes all the way into the heat sink. If it's just 1mm short of the bottom of the hole, then it will melt and then solidify at this point causing a blockage. Bowden tubes also have to be tight with no "backlash". Use clips if necessary to keep them jammed in. Some people have reported problems with filament leaking out around the heat sink threads but I wrapped a few turns of PTFE tape around the threads when I fitted the heat sinks and didn't get that problem.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/02/2016 06:13PM by deckingman.
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
April 02, 2016 07:04PM
Nice Colours smiling smiley Now the Acid Test...Print me a Slinky winking smiley
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
April 04, 2016 10:13AM
Wow. This is a great looking print. Love the colors.


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Re: 300 colour printed thingy
April 06, 2016 01:10PM
This looks really good, because of you I had do order the Diamond Hotend too smiling smiley. Perhaps I will have a couple of technical questions later, should I PM you, or just use one of your threads instead?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/06/2016 01:44PM by Teilchen.
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
April 07, 2016 03:51AM
Probably best if you PM me as questions specific to using the Diamond hot end would be "off topic" for any of my other threads. Maybe the best thing to do would be to start a new thread about the Diamond hot end, so that any information will be visible to others (but PM me when you do as I might not otherwise see it).
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
June 26, 2016 10:04PM
hai deckingman

i have a question for you. what the firmware you use for your 3d multicolor printer? i have a 3d printer with single extruder, and i try to add 2 extruder and diamond hotend. but something wrong with my 3d printer because when second extruder active, the printer moves in all 3 delta axes. i use marlin firmware. so, what should i do?

thanks
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
June 27, 2016 03:00AM
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yanie_karlina
hai deckingman

i have a question for you. what the firmware you use for your 3d multicolor printer? i have a 3d printer with single extruder, and i try to add 2 extruder and diamond hotend. but something wrong with my 3d printer because when second extruder active, the printer moves in all 3 delta axes. i use marlin firmware. so, what should i do?

thanks

Hi. I probably won't be much help. I have Duet electronics and use DC42's firmware fork so I have no knowledge of Marlin. Also, I know nothing about Delta printers - mine is an ageing Mendel variant which is busy printing parts for a CoreXY that I'm planning. Sorry.
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
July 09, 2016 03:00PM
I am trying to use Repetier firmware. It allows for color mixing.
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 20, 2016 09:24AM
should be able to do the same trick with Repetier firmware

Not quite a nice as one line but. On each layer change add a

M163 S0 P1
M163 S1 P0
M163 S2 P0

where Pnnn is the weight

so in theory just plug the percentages directly into the P values

I haven’t tried this yet, Its on the plan for tomorrow (if other things don't get in the way)

Updated
Well I gave it a good go... generated gcode, wrote a gcode editing script to insert the various command on line change.
But thus far all I can get my diamond head to do is clog. first one extruder, then the next then the last, round and round it goes clogging all the way.
rebuilt it 3 times so far...

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/21/2016 08:54AM by Dust.
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 23, 2016 03:37PM
I've noticed when I printed with one extruder, it also pushed the filament into the other channels and filled the PTFE tube completely. Then the other extruders had problems to extrude.
I have a Cyclops, not a diamond, but the same thing might have happened to you too?
Are there PTFE liners in the diamond?
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 24, 2016 03:07AM
Yip diamond hotends has PTFE liners (well bowdens terminate at the hot end, right threw the cooling fins)

The issue is probably that these bowden cables need to be cut perfectly at 90 degrees... going to need a jig for this...

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/24/2016 03:15AM by Dust.
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 24, 2016 04:27PM
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o_lampe
I've noticed when I printed with one extruder, it also pushed the filament into the other channels and filled the PTFE tube completely. Then the other extruders had problems to extrude.
I have a Cyclops, not a diamond, but the same thing might have happened to you too?
Are there PTFE liners in the diamond?

With a mixing nozzle such as the Diamond, you have to have filament in all three inputs otherwise, yes it will feed back. On the Diamond, the Bowden tube must go all the way into the heat sink as far as the heat break. Even a small gap below the tube will allow a blockage. You have to jam the tubes in, lift the retainer and fit a clip under it such that they can't be pushed back. Experience has also taught me to use the lowest temperature possible. I had no problems printing PLA at 195deg C but when I upped it to 205, I got blockages in the "unused" inputs which I suspect was caused by heat creep. When you get a blockage like this, it also buggers up retraction and you get stringy prints.

I think best practice would be to always use all 3 inputs but if you needed a single colour, you'd need to buy 3 rolls of filament and set mixing to 33:33:34 so that you are always pushing filament through all of the inputs. It means having a lot of filament laying around but one advantage of this would be to allow really fast print times. If you have a capable printer, the limiting factor for speed is how quickly you can melt the filament and for that you need a long melt zone. That's how the E3D volcanos work. But with a diamond hot end, we have 3 melt zones which, all other things being equal, should allow us to extrude 3 times as much filament as a single nozzle (if the heater can keep up with it). It's on my list of things to try when I get my (now 1.5 metre tall) 600mmx 600mm corexy finished.
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 26, 2016 03:05AM
When you are printing with only one filament of the three, do you have the other two heaters on at normal temperature, on at reduced temperature (as in standard multiple nozzle printing with RRF), or off?



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 26, 2016 04:51AM
With a diamond hotend, its 3 extruders one hot end, but all filaments are at the hot end. So you don’t have the option to lower the temp on the non extruding filaments
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 26, 2016 06:03AM
I think I see, you mean it has a single heater?



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 26, 2016 08:49AM
With my dual color e3d cyclops the filament got pushed pass the unused filament and filled the gap to the PTFE liner completely. Perfect scenario for a blockade.
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 26, 2016 12:12PM
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dc42
I think I see, you mean it has a single heater?

Yup, single heater. Here is a link with pics etc - [reprap.org]
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 26, 2016 12:17PM
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o_lampe
With my dual color e3d cyclops the filament got pushed pass the unused filament and filled the gap to the PTFE liner completely. Perfect scenario for a blockade.

Blimey! Never had that happen with the Diamond. I'd have thought there must have been a fair bit of pressure for it to do that. Were you trying to extrude/print too fast perhaps?
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
August 28, 2016 03:28AM
To be exact, it is a china clone of the e3d Cyclops. I raised the print temp to 210°C to be sure the stepper would be able to push the molten PLA through this long channel, maybe the filament got too soft?
Re: 300 colour printed thingy
October 20, 2016 09:40AM
China can make very qualitative clones, actually smileys with beer
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