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Cherry Pi III Is Available

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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 09, 2015 12:25PM
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maso
So if you want to, you can use my rod carriers with Andy's J-head effector and gain a bit more Z-space.

Want to?!?!? I'm about to stop my original rod carrier print (31% finished as I write this) to start over with yours!!!!! thumbs up
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 09, 2015 11:32PM
I am using simple 2mm Aluminum plate and i saved almost all the space winking smiley
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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 09, 2015 11:35PM
and the result
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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 10, 2015 03:48AM
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maso
For what it's worth, I've made a design that does exactly that.

Thanks maso.

I started tweaking my design to have the rod holders at the top and it made me curious about a couple of things.

  • What effect does raising the ball sockets from the carrier have if any? (I had to raise them up 5mm, so the spring wire hole clears the belt guide)
  • What is the optimum angle for the sockets? (mine are currently at 45 degrees, the same as the effector)

Regards,

Les


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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 10, 2015 11:36AM
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Pointy
  • What effect does raising the ball sockets from the carrier have if any? (I had to raise them up 5mm, so the spring wire hole clears the belt guide)
  • What is the optimum angle for the sockets? (mine are currently at 45 degrees, the same as the effector)

I'm far from an expert on these things, but here's my thoughts:
  • I'm not entirely sure how raising the balls away from the carrier impacts performance. I was going to say it gets worse, because as the head approaches the outside rail the arm gets closer to vertical. But that just means the far arms need to travel more to get a given amount of lateral motion, so it might actually have better resolution out there. I think it really comes down to the math of the firmware and how good it is at adjusting for calibration, because closer pivot points means greater distortion, but I kinda think everyone writing firmware has this stuff figured out by now.
  • There's no reason for the sockets to be at any angle different from the effector. Considering that the effector will always be horizontal, and that the rods are straight, any angle the sockets need to accommodate is the same for both ends. The best angle depends on your specific geometry, but all it comes down to is making sure the arm can swivel at any angle it will need without running into the socket itself. As well as keeping the socket deep enough that the ball will never pop out due to the spring tension. I chose 35 degrees for my effector and rod carrier experimentally, by swinging the existing Cherry Pi effector around and looking at where the rod and ball went, but realistically I don't think the rods sweep across enough of an angle to be much of an issue.

Really, I don't think either of these things are of much concern in the scheme of what we're trying to do. As long as your design has sane values for rod length and rail separation, the angles the arms go through is relatively small and predictable.

Of course, this is just off the cuff. I'd love to be educated if anyone has better info.

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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 10, 2015 03:28PM
Thanks again for the reply maso.

I printed out a set of my redesigned rod carriers with the sockets at the top, but I haven't had a chance to fit them yet. I got away with just flipping the carriages and everything lined up nicely. Hopefully the last few screws I am waiting for, should be here tomorrow so I can actually fit and test these soon.

Regards,

Les


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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 11, 2015 11:16AM
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Pointy
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maso
For what it's worth, I've made a design that does exactly that.

Thanks maso.

I started tweaking my design to have the rod holders at the top and it made me curious about a couple of things.

  • What effect does raising the ball sockets from the carrier have if any? (I had to raise them up 5mm, so the spring wire hole clears the belt guide)
  • What is the optimum angle for the sockets? (mine are currently at 45 degrees, the same as the effector)

Regards,

Les

Les

Don't suppose you are ready to release the STL's are you (Not bothered wether the carrier's have the cups at bottom or top to be honest extra 30mm of Z height is neither here or there as I have around 500mm of build height already.

(Could you Email them to me you know the address)

Would love to try them out.

All printed parts on mine are in ABS as I intend to enclose it all once it is commissioned.

Doug
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 11, 2015 01:47PM
Cheers les Will get a set printed tomorrow and get it together

Got most of the screws etc may need to go and get some Hex head ones tho
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 11, 2015 02:19PM
Eh guys

I have designed a Jig to set the lengths of the Rods to be the same

These attach to a length of 20x40 extrusion (or 2 off 20x20 extrusion)

You set the distances to what you want (making sure they are square) then you can pop the balls in and length will be set. I use some epoxy to glue them all together (M4 Grubscrews in the balls and then into the tubes).

Hope this helps some builders?

Doug
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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 11, 2015 02:56PM
Received my new E3D clone today,All together just got to install it in my printer and calibrate.

Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 11, 2015 03:08PM
looks great, just waiting my clone , its on a slow boat from china smiling smiley

Matt
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 11, 2015 07:51PM
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mrorange26
Received my new E3D clone today,All together just got to install it in my printer and calibrate.

Where's the cooling fan? Most clone manufacturers forget to copy E3D's cooling fan, and the result is a hotend that jams as the heat rises in the finned heat sink.....
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 12, 2015 02:19AM
The 30 x 30 x 10 cooling fan fits to the topside of the effector between two of the metal spacers. It's held n place with a dab of Cherry Pi 'secret sauce' spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 12, 2015 07:00AM
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AndyCart
The 30 x 30 x 10 cooling fan fits to the topside of the effector between two of the metal spacers. It's held n place with a dab of Cherry Pi 'secret sauce' spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Speaking of the CP not-so-secret sauce, smiling smiley has anyone tried to attach un-tapped steel bearings directly to the rods (CF or aluminum) on the non-magnetic spring setup using CA? Just curious how it would work, since I have a hundred 5/16" (7.93mm) balls left over from my attempt at Johann's recirculating ball carriages. I was thinking that an automotive brake line flaring tool might be able to create a decent contact area for the ball to be glued.....
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 12, 2015 12:37PM
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vreihen

Speaking of the CP not-so-secret sauce, smiling smiley has anyone tried to attach un-tapped steel bearings directly to the rods (CF or aluminum) on the non-magnetic spring setup using CA? Just curious how it would work, since I have a hundred 5/16" (7.93mm) balls left over from my attempt at Johann's recirculating ball carriages. I was thinking that an automotive brake line flaring tool might be able to create a decent contact area for the ball to be glued.....

It maybe that all that is required is a tube with a larger, maybe 6mm, ID. As everything is held in tension by the spring the end of the tube may be a suitable 'housing' for the ball
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 12, 2015 12:44PM
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AndyCart
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vreihen

Speaking of the CP not-so-secret sauce, smiling smiley has anyone tried to attach un-tapped steel bearings directly to the rods (CF or aluminum) on the non-magnetic spring setup using CA? Just curious how it would work, since I have a hundred 5/16" (7.93mm) balls left over from my attempt at Johann's recirculating ball carriages. I was thinking that an automotive brake line flaring tool might be able to create a decent contact area for the ball to be glued.....

It maybe that all that is required is a tube with a larger, maybe 6mm, ID. As everything is held in tension by the spring the end of the tube may be a suitable 'housing' for the ball

Andy, vreihen, I can say that I've got my printer working great with ball bearings, but using the original method of ball-end-milling Socket Head Cap Screws on the end of the rods to the appropriate diameter. You can glue the balls into the plastic sockets and let the rods pivot on the bearings.

Maybe the milled screws aren't necessary any more, now that there's nothing magnetic to attach to, but I can attest to at least that method working quite well. I'm using 10mm ones though, since I already had the 10mm rod setup. That's the main reason I did my own effector design: to fit 10mm bearings and still have the spring/string approach.
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 03:48AM
I tack-weld the screw head with ball..
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 01:13PM
Just received my 12v mk3 heated bed.I was going to use a xbox 360 power supply to power it,Do I just connect the xbox supply on the second lot of power input connections and leave my existing 6a power supply still connected.
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 01:41PM
The new carriages work, and I have gained 30mm with the flipped design. I also seem to be able to print via USB now, thanks to a new cable. (should always try the obvious things first)

The carriage is designed for Bosch Rexroth/Motedis aluminium extrusion, but could be tweaked for other makes. I am using the following fittings with mine....

M3 x25mm Socket Head Cap Screw & M3 Nut (Wheel tension adjustment)
M3 x 20mm Hex Head Screw & M3 Nut (Belt adjustment, If you don't have a M3 hex bolt, a normal SHCS will probably work if you glue it in place.)
4 x No 4 x 1/2" Pozi Flanged Self Tappering Screws (Fixings for rod carrier/carriage)
3 x M5 30mm Socket Low Head Cap Screw (to replace the M5 screws supplied with the mini v wheel kit)
2 x M2 x 6mm Socket Head Cap Screw (to hold the belt loops in place)

Regards,

Les


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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 02:27PM
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mrorange26
Just received my 12v mk3 heated bed.I was going to use a xbox 360 power supply to power it,Do I just connect the xbox supply on the second lot of power input connections and leave my existing 6a power supply still connected.

If you use a 17A Xbox One PSU you can dispense with the 6A one. There is a part on my Thingiverse page for a fitting that takes a 2.5mm power socket. Just fit a 2.5mm plug on the 12v wires in the Xbox supply. You need to permanently short the other two to enable the 12V. You will also need a thermistor for the bed and a tweak to the firmware to enable it
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 03:19PM
What command do I need to enable the thermistor and heated bed.
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 03:43PM
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AndyCart
You will also need a thermistor for the bed and a tweak to the firmware to enable it

Is there a hole for the thermistor? I couldn't see one on the pictures.

Regards,

Les


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Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 03:45PM
I was gonna just stick it on with something in the middle of the plate
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 04:52PM
Can I enable the heated bed and thermistor with gcodes as on my lcd I can only see 1 temp at the moment.
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 07:20PM
Look for this line in your Marlin configuration.h file

#define TEMP_SENSOR_BED 0

Change the 0 to the correct number for your particular thermistor and then re upload using the Arduino IDE.

When correctly uploaded you will get a bed display on your LCD and be able to control bed temps via g code
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 07:23PM
Found it in the marlin config file you supplied on the sd card,Do I edit that then upload it to printer,Will I have to recalibrate print head again?
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 07:29PM
Copy the firmware folder from the SD to your PC and open Marlin.ino with the Arduino IDE. Select the correct board (mega 265) and serial port. Change the setting in config.h and save. Upload to your board. You shouldn't have to re calibrate as the bed thermistor setting isn't held in EEPROM. It's a good idea anyway to save the result of M501 and M666 L to a text file somewhere. You can then re input the values should you change firmware in the future
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 13, 2015 07:39PM
Thanks andy that worked.I thought that was how you do it but was worried it would wipe everything.
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 14, 2015 12:24PM
New head installed,Heated bed installed and working,Seems to be printing well,Thanks andy for help.

nka
Re: Cherry Pi III Is Available
February 14, 2015 09:19PM
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Pointy
The new carriages work, and I have gained 30mm with the flipped design. I also seem to be able to print via USB now, thanks to a new cable. (should always try the obvious things first)

The carriage is designed for Bosch Rexroth/Motedis aluminium extrusion, but could be tweaked for other makes. I am using the following fittings with mine....

M3 x25mm Socket Head Cap Screw & M3 Nut (Wheel tension adjustment)
M3 x 20mm Hex Head Screw & M3 Nut (Belt adjustment, If you don't have a M3 hex bolt, a normal SHCS will probably work if you glue it in place.)
4 x No 4 x 1/2" Pozi Flanged Self Tappering Screws (Fixings for rod carrier/carriage)
3 x M5 30mm Socket Low Head Cap Screw (to replace the M5 screws supplied with the mini v wheel kit)
2 x M2 x 6mm Socket Head Cap Screw (to hold the belt loops in place)

Regards,

Les

Oh, I might try this someday... I always wished to have a mechanical way to apply force the the belt instant of using my arm tongue sticking out smiley

I also need to use this new effector... if I can find a way to print ABS without heatbed and/or have my new printer !

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/2015 09:20PM by nka.


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