Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level

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Koenig
I have serious problem with 2 of my rails, I've spent one and a half big bottle of WD40 to get the to run smooth, I've spent 3 hours just running them back and forth while spraying WD40.
I've bathed them in WD40 running them back and forth and still no luck, looking at the backside of the carriages I can see that one side is missing balls in the bearing (on the two I've got problems with).I

s this common? do you guys have missing balls?

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Wittmason
A nice clean way to fix the extrusion system is to get a new hotend throat. The one inside the fake E3D has ptfe tubing in it. You won't be able to get beyond 240c with that hotend in its current state. I got this hotend throat

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Hotend throat replacement for E3D knockoffs. 2mm ID for higher temp. usage. by nScaleRail, on Flickr

ebay link to hotend throat I took the old throat out and used it on the extruder.

The extruder included in the kit was built to be attached to a hotend and so to get it to work right you need to mimic that same style layout.

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Fix extruder issues on Folger Tech Kossel. by nScaleRail

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Fix extruder issues on Folger Tech Kossel. by nScaleRail, on Flickr

P.s. One other note on extruding with this kit. It appears the ptfe tube is the 1.8mm diameter style. So it you have larger filement (say on the 1.77mm size) the tube will be very tight. I replaced the tube with 2mm ID tube, now things are moving better..

I hope this tip helps some.
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Koenig
I have serious problem with 2 of my rails, I've spent one and a half big bottle of WD40 to get the to run smooth, I've spent 3 hours just running them back and forth while spraying WD40.
I've bathed them in WD40 running them back and forth and still no luck, looking at the backside of the carriages I can see that one side is missing balls in the bearing (on the two I've got problems with).I

s this common? do you guys have missing balls?

So you used a solvent or water displacement product in your ball bearings on a linear rail and you are complaining that you cannot get them smooth? Most likely you are missing the bearings now due to them failing on the WD40 you squirted in it. Go to the store and buy some gun oil and stop using crap products. WD40 is not a lubricant, never has been and never will, it is a solvent that strips grease and rust. Using it in a bearing will destroy them over time as you are REMOVING the lubrication in the bearings, not adding it. Can WD40 be Used as a Bearing Lubricant?. Anyone telling anyone else to use WD40 as a lubricant does not know what they are talking about. I grabbed the same gun oil I used to lubricate my AR15 and after 10 minutes of cleaning with a qtip, they are perfectly smooth and grit free.

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Koenig
I have serious problem with 2 of my rails, I've spent one and a half big bottle of WD40 to get the to run smooth, I've spent 3 hours just running them back and forth while spraying WD40.
I've bathed them in WD40 running them back and forth and still no luck, looking at the backside of the carriages I can see that one side is missing balls in the bearing (on the two I've got problems with).I

s this common? do you guys have missing balls?

So you used a solvent or water displacement product in your ball bearings on a linear rail and you are complaining that you cannot get them smooth? Most likely you are missing the bearings now due to them failing on the WD40 you squirted in it. Go to the store and buy some gun oil and stop using crap products. WD40 is not a lubricant, never has been and never will, it is a solvent that strips grease and rust. Using it in a bearing will destroy them over time as you are REMOVING the lubrication in the bearings, not adding it. Can WD40 be Used as a Bearing Lubricant?. Anyone telling anyone else to use WD40 as a lubricant does not know what they are talking about. I grabbed the same gun oil I used to lubricate my AR15 and after 10 minutes of cleaning with a qtip, they are perfectly smooth and grit free.

I don't think anyone here has ever recommended using WD-40 as a lubricant. I did and still do recommend using it to clean out the rails, as this is a perfect use for WD-40. Then I, as well as others have recommended lubricating the rails with some kind of oil. I personally use 5w30 synthetic motor oil.

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Koenig
I have serious problem with 2 of my rails, I've spent one and a half big bottle of WD40 to get the to run smooth, I've spent 3 hours just running them back and forth while spraying WD40.
I've bathed them in WD40 running them back and forth and still no luck, looking at the backside of the carriages I can see that one side is missing balls in the bearing (on the two I've got problems with).I

s this common? do you guys have missing balls?

So you used a solvent or water displacement product in your ball bearings on a linear rail and you are complaining that you cannot get them smooth? Most likely you are missing the bearings now due to them failing on the WD40 you squirted in it. Go to the store and buy some gun oil and stop using crap products. WD40 is not a lubricant, never has been and never will, it is a solvent that strips grease and rust. Using it in a bearing will destroy them over time as you are REMOVING the lubrication in the bearings, not adding it. Can WD40 be Used as a Bearing Lubricant?. Anyone telling anyone else to use WD40 as a lubricant does not know what they are talking about. I grabbed the same gun oil I used to lubricate my AR15 and after 10 minutes of cleaning with a qtip, they are perfectly smooth and grit free.

I don't think anyone here has ever recommended using WD-40 as a lubricant. I did and still do recommend using it to clean out the rails, as this is a perfect use for WD-40. Then I, as well as others have recommended lubricating the rails with some kind of oil. I personally use 5w30 synthetic motor oil.

Correct, using it to clean out the rails is fine, for a few moments. Clean them, run a rag down it, lubricate them. Running the bearings across the steel without lubrication will damage them, so it is best to not do this too often. I am having a rough day at work and that came out harsher then I meant.

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Koenig
I have serious problem with 2 of my rails, I've spent one and a half big bottle of WD40 to get the to run smooth, I've spent 3 hours just running them back and forth while spraying WD40.
I've bathed them in WD40 running them back and forth and still no luck, looking at the backside of the carriages I can see that one side is missing balls in the bearing (on the two I've got problems with).I

s this common? do you guys have missing balls?

So you used a solvent or water displacement product in your ball bearings on a linear rail and you are complaining that you cannot get them smooth? Most likely you are missing the bearings now due to them failing on the WD40 you squirted in it. Go to the store and buy some gun oil and stop using crap products. WD40 is not a lubricant, never has been and never will, it is a solvent that strips grease and rust. Using it in a bearing will destroy them over time as you are REMOVING the lubrication in the bearings, not adding it. Can WD40 be Used as a Bearing Lubricant?. Anyone telling anyone else to use WD40 as a lubricant does not know what they are talking about. I grabbed the same gun oil I used to lubricate my AR15 and after 10 minutes of cleaning with a qtip, they are perfectly smooth and grit free.

I don't think anyone here has ever recommended using WD-40 as a lubricant. I did and still do recommend using it to clean out the rails, as this is a perfect use for WD-40. Then I, as well as others have recommended lubricating the rails with some kind of oil. I personally use 5w30 synthetic motor oil.

Correct, using it to clean out the rails is fine, for a few moments. Clean them, run a rag down it, lubricate them. Running the bearings across the steel without lubrication will damage them, so it is best to not do this too often. I am having a rough day at work and that came out harsher then I meant.

Exactly what I did and in between the rounds of WD40 I used lithium grease to try to get them smooth, still I don't think there should be any missing balls....

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Koenig
I have serious problem with 2 of my rails, I've spent one and a half big bottle of WD40 to get the to run smooth, I've spent 3 hours just running them back and forth while spraying WD40.
I've bathed them in WD40 running them back and forth and still no luck, looking at the backside of the carriages I can see that one side is missing balls in the bearing (on the two I've got problems with).I

s this common? do you guys have missing balls?

So you used a solvent or water displacement product in your ball bearings on a linear rail and you are complaining that you cannot get them smooth? Most likely you are missing the bearings now due to them failing on the WD40 you squirted in it. Go to the store and buy some gun oil and stop using crap products. WD40 is not a lubricant, never has been and never will, it is a solvent that strips grease and rust. Using it in a bearing will destroy them over time as you are REMOVING the lubrication in the bearings, not adding it. Can WD40 be Used as a Bearing Lubricant?. Anyone telling anyone else to use WD40 as a lubricant does not know what they are talking about. I grabbed the same gun oil I used to lubricate my AR15 and after 10 minutes of cleaning with a qtip, they are perfectly smooth and grit free.

I don't think anyone here has ever recommended using WD-40 as a lubricant. I did and still do recommend using it to clean out the rails, as this is a perfect use for WD-40. Then I, as well as others have recommended lubricating the rails with some kind of oil. I personally use 5w30 synthetic motor oil.

Correct, using it to clean out the rails is fine, for a few moments. Clean them, run a rag down it, lubricate them. Running the bearings across the steel without lubrication will damage them, so it is best to not do this too often. I am having a rough day at work and that came out harsher then I meant.

Exactly what I did and in between the rounds of WD40 I used lithium grease to try to get them smooth, still I don't think there should be any missing balls....

No there should not be, reach out to Folger, they will take care of you for it. I would stay away from lithium grease, that's too thick. You want machinist oil (that little orange oil can your grandpa had), any decent gun oil or motor oil will work. The stuff I use is top notch and overkill, but I bought more then I needed for my guns so why not. The difference is night and day really.

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Koenig
I have serious problem with 2 of my rails, I've spent one and a half big bottle of WD40 to get the to run smooth, I've spent 3 hours just running them back and forth while spraying WD40.
I've bathed them in WD40 running them back and forth and still no luck, looking at the backside of the carriages I can see that one side is missing balls in the bearing (on the two I've got problems with).I

s this common? do you guys have missing balls?

So you used a solvent or water displacement product in your ball bearings on a linear rail and you are complaining that you cannot get them smooth? Most likely you are missing the bearings now due to them failing on the WD40 you squirted in it. Go to the store and buy some gun oil and stop using crap products. WD40 is not a lubricant, never has been and never will, it is a solvent that strips grease and rust. Using it in a bearing will destroy them over time as you are REMOVING the lubrication in the bearings, not adding it. Can WD40 be Used as a Bearing Lubricant?. Anyone telling anyone else to use WD40 as a lubricant does not know what they are talking about. I grabbed the same gun oil I used to lubricate my AR15 and after 10 minutes of cleaning with a qtip, they are perfectly smooth and grit free.

I don't think anyone here has ever recommended using WD-40 as a lubricant. I did and still do recommend using it to clean out the rails, as this is a perfect use for WD-40. Then I, as well as others have recommended lubricating the rails with some kind of oil. I personally use 5w30 synthetic motor oil.

Correct, using it to clean out the rails is fine, for a few moments. Clean them, run a rag down it, lubricate them. Running the bearings across the steel without lubrication will damage them, so it is best to not do this too often. I am having a rough day at work and that came out harsher then I meant.

Exactly what I did and in between the rounds of WD40 I used lithium grease to try to get them smooth, still I don't think there should be any missing balls....

No there should not be, reach out to Folger, they will take care of you for it. I would stay away from lithium grease, that's too thick. You want machinist oil (that little orange oil can your grandpa had), any decent gun oil or motor oil will work. The stuff I use is top notch and overkill, but I bought more then I needed for my guns so why not. The difference is night and day really.

A little hard to see, but you can get the hint of it.

And the lithium fat is what makes the balls not look smooth.

I'll get in touch with Folger and see if they can send me some new ones.

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Koenig
I sent them a mail.

Still think it's strange, 2 out of 3.....

Just to wait and see then I suppose.

EDIT: From that sample you linked to it sure looked like they used a rather thick grease...
And from what I know from cars motorbikes the ball bearings there use real thick grease as well.

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Koenig
I have serious problem with 2 of my rails, I've spent one and a half big bottle of WD40 to get the to run smooth, I've spent 3 hours just running them back and forth while spraying WD40.
I've bathed them in WD40 running them back and forth and still no luck, looking at the backside of the carriages I can see that one side is missing balls in the bearing (on the two I've got problems with).I

s this common? do you guys have missing balls?

So you used a solvent or water displacement product in your ball bearings on a linear rail and you are complaining that you cannot get them smooth? Most likely you are missing the bearings now due to them failing on the WD40 you squirted in it. Go to the store and buy some gun oil and stop using crap products. WD40 is not a lubricant, never has been and never will, it is a solvent that strips grease and rust. Using it in a bearing will destroy them over time as you are REMOVING the lubrication in the bearings, not adding it. Can WD40 be Used as a Bearing Lubricant?. Anyone telling anyone else to use WD40 as a lubricant does not know what they are talking about. I grabbed the same gun oil I used to lubricate my AR15 and after 10 minutes of cleaning with a qtip, they are perfectly smooth and grit free.

I don't think anyone here has ever recommended using WD-40 as a lubricant. I did and still do recommend using it to clean out the rails, as this is a perfect use for WD-40. Then I, as well as others have recommended lubricating the rails with some kind of oil. I personally use 5w30 synthetic motor oil.

Correct, using it to clean out the rails is fine, for a few moments. Clean them, run a rag down it, lubricate them. Running the bearings across the steel without lubrication will damage them, so it is best to not do this too often. I am having a rough day at work and that came out harsher then I meant.

Exactly what I did and in between the rounds of WD40 I used lithium grease to try to get them smooth, still I don't think there should be any missing balls....

No there should not be, reach out to Folger, they will take care of you for it. I would stay away from lithium grease, that's too thick. You want machinist oil (that little orange oil can your grandpa had), any decent gun oil or motor oil will work. The stuff I use is top notch and overkill, but I bought more then I needed for my guns so why not. The difference is night and day really.

A little hard to see, but you can get the hint of it.

And the lithium fat is what makes the balls not look smooth.

I'll get in touch with Folger and see if they can send me some new ones.

ouch, yup looks like you are missing three should look like this Sample

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ok, I could use a lot of help. I have my kit all put together but i can't get any prints. I have used printrun and cura but i get the same results. the printer will heat up and then probe the bed and then retract the probe. after this the hole thing stops and will not do anything. attached is my configuration.h and i am using the start gcode provided by FolgerTech. How are people mounting the ramps? If i follow the instructions i cant use the usb port.

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I'm sure Folger will take care of the issue, but it might be worth your time to buy 3 ball bearings at the local hardware store if you can determine the size of them. The True Value store by me has metric and SAE ball bearings in all different sizes. I'm sure they are metric. But then again, I'm an impatient person.

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ok, I could use a lot of help. I have my kit all put together but i can't get any prints. I have used printrun and cura but i get the same results. the printer will heat up and then probe the bed and then retract the probe. after this the hole thing stops and will not do anything. attached is my configuration.h and i am using the start gcode provided by FolgerTech. How are people mounting the ramps? If i follow the instructions i cant use the usb port.

I had to add a standoff bushing of about 1/2 inch thick between the mount bracket and the RAMPS to lower it enough for me to feed the USB cable between the 2 horizontal rails and have it plug into the port.

Can you post the real-time log file from Cura or Repetier Host for us to look at? Make sure as much data as possible is written to the file. In Repetier Host, goto Config, Preferences, Basic settings and then turn on logging.
I don't know how to do this in Cura and PrintRun as I don't use this.

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jprochnow
So do people recommend these printers from folgertech? What are some recommended upgrades for it?

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jprochnow
What seems to be the problem with it? It really is cheaper than sourrcing your own parts. Even if you replace the weak motors and add the flange bearings and maybe a real e3d hotend it would be a great unit for the money.

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So do people recommend these printers from folgertech? What are some recommended upgrades for it?

At the moment I am not happy with them, I have had this thing for a month and still cant get it to print anything. But this is still cheaper than sourcing your own parts.

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thevisad
Not really, I have gotten the parts list down to about 285$ now for the entire printer. Once you know where to go, you can order all the parts very quickly.

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Not really, I have gotten the parts list down to about 285$ now for the entire printer. Once you know where to go, you can order all the parts very quickly.

Care to share where do you go? Linear rails? Better motors? Extrusions? AliExpress?

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Not really, I have gotten the parts list down to about 285$ now for the entire printer. Once you know where to go, you can order all the parts very quickly.

Care to share where do you go? Linear rails? Better motors? Extrusions? AliExpress?

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Not really, I have gotten the parts list down to about 285$ now for the entire printer. Once you know where to go, you can order all the parts very quickly.

Care to share where do you go? Linear rails? Better motors? Extrusions? AliExpress?

I've been thinking about better motors aswell plus these: [folger-technologies-llc.myshopify.com]
They are supposed to a bit better than the ones that comes with the kit, and I'm thinking better (bigger) motors will run cooler.

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Not really, I have gotten the parts list down to about 285$ now for the entire printer. Once you know where to go, you can order all the parts very quickly.

Care to share where do you go? Linear rails? Better motors? Extrusions? AliExpress?

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jprochnow
So do people recommend these printers from folgertech? What are some recommended upgrades for it?

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ok, I could use a lot of help. I have my kit all put together but i can't get any prints. I have used printrun and cura but i get the same results. the printer will heat up and then probe the bed and then retract the probe. after this the hole thing stops and will not do anything. attached is my configuration.h and i am using the start gcode provided by FolgerTech. How are people mounting the ramps? If i follow the instructions i cant use the usb port.

I had to add a standoff bushing of about 1/2 inch thick between the mount bracket and the RAMPS to lower it enough for me to feed the USB cable between the 2 horizontal rails and have it plug into the port.

Can you post the real-time log file from Cura or Repetier Host for us to look at? Make sure as much data as possible is written to the file. In Repetier Host, goto Config, Preferences, Basic settings and then turn on logging.
I don't know how to do this in Cura and PrintRun as I don't use this.

Send: N18G1 X-13.200 Y-13.200 E2.68742*118
Recv: ok T:218.2 /220.0 B:89.0 /90.0 T0:218.2 /220.0 @:121 B@:127
Send: N19G1 X13.200 Y-13.200 E3.12645*80
Recv: ok
Send: N20G1 X13.200 Y13.200 E3.56549*120
Recv: ok
Send: N21G1 F2400 E-0.93451*55
Recv: ok T:218.2 /220.0 B:89.0 /90.0 T0:218.2 /220.0 @:121 B@:127
Send: N22G0 F9000 X9.400 Y9.400*87
Recv: ok T:218.2 /220.0 B:89.0 /90.0 T0:218.2 /220.0 @:121 B@:127
Send: N23G1 F2400 E3.56549*26
Recv: Error:No Checksum with line number, Last Line: 13
Recv: Resend: 14
Recv: ok
Send: N14G1 X13.600 Y-13.600 E1.35701*91
Recv: Error:Line Number is not Last Line Number+1, Last Line: 13
Recv: Resend: 14
Recv: ok
Send: N14G1 X13.600 Y-13.600 E1.35701*91
Recv: ok
Send: N15G1 X13.600 Y13.600 E1.80935*112
Communication timeout during printing, forcing a line
Send: M105 T0
Communication timeout during printing, forcing a line
Send: M105 T0
Changing monitoring state from 'Printing' to 'Operational'
Serial timeout while writing to serial port, trying again.

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How are people mounting the ramps? If i follow the instructions i cant use the usb port.

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jculver09
Dont forget to factor in your TIME for doing all of that. I personally value my time at $40 an hour if its work hours, and at $100 an hour if its family time. I spent 30 minutes and realised the time I would need to invest to beat their price was not worth it for me.