Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 12:47PM |
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What screw type did you use to attach the Z-probe switch to the servo? None of the hardware that came with my kit (Rev B ) will fit in the hole. All the hardware is far too large, and the servo hole doesn't have threads, and the manual doesn't even mention mounting it.
I was going to ignore the auto leveling until I got it going, but I cannot for the love of me get it to stop traveling in a convex fashion. The rod offset value doesn't seem to be any where in reason, and I haven't found any suggestions as to why not. I'm hoping the auto level will help.
Read this guide on how to solve the convex issue. Auto leveling will not help this issue, you need to correct the offsets properly. There should be a small screw with very large head compared to its body, looks like this
That's what I figured I needed, that was not in my kit. Wouldn't be the only thing missing. I'll see what I can scrounge up, just didn't want to jam just anything in the hole.
I've looked at that guide before and had issues with some of the verbiage, as they assume you know the intricacies of the commands being used which I don't in all cases. I still haven't found a good primer on G-code commands. I will have to post again when I get home for the evening, as I'll have to look at my notes as to which parts of the guide I was having issues with. From what I remember the Z heights for the carriages were are traveling exactly the same and reported the same Z values, But I had to use something in the 500s to get the paper pinch to work.
(That's another thing no-one really explains- is it pinch the paper so you can't move it? Barely pinch the paper? Paper move freely? What thickness of paper? Thinner the better?)
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 12:55PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 01:11PM |
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That's what I figured I needed, that was not in my kit. Wouldn't be the only thing missing. I'll see what I can scrounge up, just didn't want to jam just anything in the hole.
I've looked at that guide before and had issues with some of the verbiage, as they assume you know the intricacies of the commands being used which I don't in all cases. I still haven't found a good primer on G-code commands. I will have to post again when I get home for the evening, as I'll have to look at my notes as to which parts of the guide I was having issues with. From what I remember the Z heights for the carriages were are traveling exactly the same and reported the same Z values, But I had to use something in the 500s to get the paper pinch to work.
(That's another thing no-one really explains- is it pinch the paper so you can't move it? Barely pinch the paper? Paper move freely? What thickness of paper? Thinner the better?)
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 01:21PM |
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The paper used is standard 80 bond paper and you are supposed to make it just pinch and drag the paper between the points. You do not want to stop the paper completely and do not want it to be freely moving. You should feel a slight drag on the paper that is roughly the same at all points. The duet has half z movements that really help to dial into the correct height for this.
Before you go down this path, check to see if your beds actually level. Take a known flat surface (like the edge of a metal ruler) and place it against the bed in the middle. ... It was off roughly 2 mm across the entire surface, at .4 layer heights that's 5 layers that the beds accuracy was creating an issue for.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 01:25PM |
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The paper used is standard 80 bond paper and you are supposed to make it just pinch and drag the paper between the points. You do not want to stop the paper completely and do not want it to be freely moving. You should feel a slight drag on the paper that is roughly the same at all points. The duet has half z movements that really help to dial into the correct height for this.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 03:16PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 04:31PM |
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I seem to be getting filament leaking out of the nozzle from the threads. I think I saw a thread on here about what to do about it but I cant find it.
Do I just take it apart and clean out the melted filament then just crank it down harder? I seem to remember it being a little more involved then that.
How do I clean out the plastic?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 05:59PM |
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I seem to be getting filament leaking out of the nozzle from the threads. I think I saw a thread on here about what to do about it but I cant find it.
Do I just take it apart and clean out the melted filament then just crank it down harder? I seem to remember it being a little more involved then that.
How do I clean out the plastic?
Heat it up to ~230° C and then tighten the nozzle.
Look at the bottom of that page under "Final Tightening"
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 09:43PM |
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Before you go down this path, check to see if your beds actually level. Take a known flat surface (like the edge of a metal ruler) and place it against the bed in the middle. Try to rock it back and forth to see if it acts like a seesaw on the surface. Try in all different directions and make sure its flat across the surface of the disc. During my rebuild I was testing all sorts of designs and I found that my bed was not flat, but convex. During my initial build, I did not notice this and made my printer work to the bed surface and this made the printer no longer mechanically accurate.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 10:22PM |
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A bigger problem I just noticed is my "move Z 10mm" button in Pronterface only moves 6mm... My STEPS_PER_UNIT is at the default {80,80,80,100} for the 20 tooth pulley which is what I have.
EDIT: To clarify I just have a stock kit, with no upgrades. I feel like that Z_HOME_POS shouldn't be so large... but that is the only way I can get it to pinch a paper.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 11:38PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 24, 2015 11:42PM |
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It sounds like you have either 0.9deg/step motors or DRV8825 driver modules. Either way, doubling the steps/mm to 160 and halving the Z home height should fix it, although Marlin on RAMPS will struggle at higher movement speeds. If the drivers are DRV8825 then you can probably change the jumpers to get 16x instead of 32x microstepping.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 25, 2015 05:36PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 25, 2015 06:09PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 25, 2015 08:15PM |
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Looks to me that your delta calibration is off. Auto bed compensation is no substitute for accurate delta calibration.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 25, 2015 08:37PM |
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It sounds like you have either 0.9deg/step motors or DRV8825 driver modules. Either way, doubling the steps/mm to 160 and halving the Z home height should fix it, although Marlin on RAMPS will struggle at higher movement speeds. If the drivers are DRV8825 then you can probably change the jumpers to get 16x instead of 32x microstepping.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 25, 2015 08:50PM |
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What screw type did you use to attach the Z-probe switch to the servo? None of the hardware that came with my kit (Rev B ) will fit in the hole. All the hardware is far too large, and the servo hole doesn't have threads, and the manual doesn't even mention mounting it.
I was going to ignore the auto leveling until I got it going, but I cannot for the love of me get it to stop traveling in a convex fashion. The rod offset value doesn't seem to be any where in reason, and I haven't found any suggestions as to why not. I'm hoping the auto level will help.
Read this guide on how to solve the convex issue. Auto leveling will not help this issue, you need to correct the offsets properly. There should be a small screw with very large head compared to its body, looks like this
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 25, 2015 11:32PM |
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Thats a really nice clean looking build. I dont suppose you could link the spool holder and printed bed plate mount. I'm always in the market for something better.
I printed this Spool holder with these extension arms. It works great and I think looks cool. The bearing is awesome and glides rather smooth.
Bed plate mounts I printed these in version 2
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 02:11AM |
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It sounds like you have either 0.9deg/step motors or DRV8825 driver modules. Either way, doubling the steps/mm to 160 and halving the Z home height should fix it, although Marlin on RAMPS will struggle at higher movement speeds. If the drivers are DRV8825 then you can probably change the jumpers to get 16x instead of 32x microstepping.
I Don't understand how to force the 8825 down to 1/16 with the jumpers. I've found a few sites that say "only use the third jumper," but the RAMPS Wiki doesn't list that as a configuration option. Also I can't find anywhere that numbers the jumper pins- which side is 1 and which side is 3?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 03:16AM |
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I have turned on eeprom but I have issues using the commands. Some things dont work like if I type g1 z20 nothing happens. When I do a G1 x0 y0 Z5 F4000 the print head travel the extent
and sits right on top of the print bed instead of stopping a z5
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I dont know much about eeprom so I have no idea of what to do to adjust things. I have been trying to follow this tutorial
[youtu.be] but some of the things are not working because some commands dont work.
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I cant step down if the nozzle is 5mm above the bed because I cant get it to be 5mm above.
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I may have figured something out. when I do the m114 command Z is showing Z MAX_POS. Should that be inverted?
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also when I'm in the home position up against the endstops it reads X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:595.40 E:0.00. Something is wrong here but I'm not sure what to do about it.
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These screws would be great but Folger has sent me the wrong sliders or something. I wont be able to screw them into anything. Here is a picture of why.
I have to add spacers to the sliders so the pulley cable would fit correctly.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 03:06PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 03:54PM |
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So I have mapped out my auto level data and it confirms my thoughts as to why I'm having a heck of a time calibrating my printer
so that I get correct size prints with larger models. Here is a picture show what is going on the my print bed. I can see that the back left side is
higher then the from right side. I'm not quite sure how to fix this issue? If I put a level on the print bed it is only off a pinch. Do I try to level the print bed
or do I continue adjusting the endstops?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 05:09PM |
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So I have mapped out my auto level data and it confirms my thoughts as to why I'm having a heck of a time calibrating my printer
so that I get correct size prints with larger models. Here is a picture show what is going on the my print bed. I can see that the back left side is
higher then the from right side. I'm not quite sure how to fix this issue? If I put a level on the print bed it is only off a pinch. Do I try to level the print bed
or do I continue adjusting the endstops?
Your bed is not mechanically flat, you need to try and get it as flat to the printer as possible, looks like one side is at a slope.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 06:25PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 06:32PM |
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So I have mapped out my auto level data and it confirms my thoughts as to why I'm having a heck of a time calibrating my printer
so that I get correct size prints with larger models. Here is a picture show what is going on the my print bed. I can see that the back left side is
higher then the from right side. I'm not quite sure how to fix this issue? If I put a level on the print bed it is only off a pinch. Do I try to level the print bed
or do I continue adjusting the endstops?
Your bed is not mechanically flat, you need to try and get it as flat to the printer as possible, looks like one side is at a slope.
Thanks for the help. Is there something I can buy that mounts the bed to the printer and has an adjustment on it that helps you level the bed? Something like
the adjustment screw for the end stops?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 09:19PM |
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So I have mapped out my auto level data and it confirms my thoughts as to why I'm having a heck of a time calibrating my printer
so that I get correct size prints with larger models. Here is a picture show what is going on the my print bed. I can see that the back left side is
higher then the from right side. I'm not quite sure how to fix this issue? If I put a level on the print bed it is only off a pinch. Do I try to level the print bed
or do I continue adjusting the endstops?
Your bed is not mechanically flat, you need to try and get it as flat to the printer as possible, looks like one side is at a slope.
Thanks for the help. Is there something I can buy that mounts the bed to the printer and has an adjustment on it that helps you level the bed? Something like
the adjustment screw for the end stops?
Anything printed or plastic will warp and bend over time, I made my bed surface out of 1/4 inch aluminum plate and mounted everything to that.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 09:42PM |
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So I have mapped out my auto level data and it confirms my thoughts as to why I'm having a heck of a time calibrating my printer
so that I get correct size prints with larger models. Here is a picture show what is going on the my print bed. I can see that the back left side is
higher then the from right side. I'm not quite sure how to fix this issue? If I put a level on the print bed it is only off a pinch. Do I try to level the print bed
or do I continue adjusting the endstops?
Your bed is not mechanically flat, you need to try and get it as flat to the printer as possible, looks like one side is at a slope.
Thanks for the help. Is there something I can buy that mounts the bed to the printer and has an adjustment on it that helps you level the bed? Something like
the adjustment screw for the end stops?
Anything printed or plastic will warp and bend over time, I made my bed surface out of 1/4 inch aluminum plate and mounted everything to that.
Thank you again. My bed surface that came with this kit is aluminum but it is only 1/8". I have also figured out that it is convex. I have a slight peak in the center
running across the X Y axis. This is why my printer nozzle gets to close to the bed when it goes from the Z tower forward to the X tower. Is there something I can do to adjust that
or do I need to buy a better printing bed?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 10:21PM |
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So I have mapped out my auto level data and it confirms my thoughts as to why I'm having a heck of a time calibrating my printer
so that I get correct size prints with larger models. Here is a picture show what is going on the my print bed. I can see that the back left side is
higher then the from right side. I'm not quite sure how to fix this issue? If I put a level on the print bed it is only off a pinch. Do I try to level the print bed
or do I continue adjusting the endstops?
Your bed is not mechanically flat, you need to try and get it as flat to the printer as possible, looks like one side is at a slope.
Thanks for the help. Is there something I can buy that mounts the bed to the printer and has an adjustment on it that helps you level the bed? Something like
the adjustment screw for the end stops?
Anything printed or plastic will warp and bend over time, I made my bed surface out of 1/4 inch aluminum plate and mounted everything to that.
Thank you again. My bed surface that came with this kit is aluminum but it is only 1/8". I have also figured out that it is convex. I have a slight peak in the center
running across the X Y axis. This is why my printer nozzle gets to close to the bed when it goes from the Z tower forward to the X tower. Is there something I can do to adjust that
or do I need to buy a better printing bed?
I am not talking about the bed surface, but the only way to straighten that would be to bolt it down and smack it in the middle with a rubber mallet until flat. I was refering to the mounting surface that the bed attaches to. I changed out mine for a 1/4 inch thick sheet of aluminum.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level September 26, 2015 10:24PM |
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