Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 06, 2016 06:22PM |
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PrimeraRata
I downloaded your config and reading i found #define DELTA_DIAGONAL_ROD 230 // mm/ My diagonal rod is 240 mm, what more i need to change?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 06, 2016 06:48PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 06, 2016 09:57PM |
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paul_delta
PS: looks like you are using obsolete version of marlin (FT version?). If you want to stick with Marlin - I'd suggest to download fresh version from [github.com]. Or better switch to Repetier...
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 06, 2016 10:04PM |
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paul_delta
PS: looks like you are using obsolete version of marlin (FT version?). If you want to stick with Marlin - I'd suggest to download fresh version from [github.com]. Or better switch to Repetier...
Ok, so I've switched, to 0.92.6 and used your configuration as a base , tweaked rod length (mine are 240) reset my bed height then followed docpayce's advice to get and enter my zprobe height settings into eeprom . The probe triggers at exactly 70.60 when measured, but when I run a g28 followed by g29, the probe decends and hovers maybe 10 cm above the bed, never triggers the sensor and then it runs out of bounds (the y rods end up almost parallel to the bed) and triggers error "fatal g29 leveling failed" and shuts down. Finally, I repeated after setting the z- probe height at a lower 60 mm. This time it triggers the probe but then still exhibits the same behavior completing it's aborted leveling with the same error as above.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 06, 2016 10:06PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 06, 2016 10:42PM |
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paul_delta
Don't execute G29, try
G28
G1 X0 Y0 Z100
G30
--Did you pass the paper test when G28 and G1 X0 Y0 Z0?
Yes, it worked perfectly, touchdown dead center with a slight drag on the paper.
--You should get z-probe reading for the center of bed..G28
G1 X0 Y0 Z100
G30
When run, works fine until G30 input it then drops to the bed triggers the sensor (lights up) and then throws a "fatal:G29 leveling bed leveLing failed!"
-You have to reset eeprom completely after switching from marlin. Load default eeprom settings.
I'm stalled on the eprom operation. I looked for a default settings or anything like a reset under the firmware configuration tab. Not sure how to proceed to follow your very first suggestion This is my first dealings with eeprom. The online faq indicates eprom is difficult to erase.
?Is that the reason default settings must be reloaded, to effect a clean rewrite?
?Using the import and export buttons under the eprom settings was I supposed to save my original settings?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2016 07:17AM by Gingerbreadman.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 06, 2016 11:35PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 12:02PM |
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docpayce
@foryst: Leveling the top triangle is *NOT* as important as you might think. The position of that triangle and the endstops is easily compensated by endstop offsets in Repetier and Marlin. Especially if you use tools such as dc42's (Escher) delta calculator.
I suggest to loosen the top triangle at one tower, pull it upwards quite strongly to tension the belt and fasten the triangle-to-tower-beam screw while holding that tension. Do that on all three towers. The resulting "tone" of the tensioned belts should be a low to medium bass tone - not to tight, not loose. It is not as important that all belts hit exactly the same tone (though certainly being a plus), as GT2 belts are very stiff and will give you nice 80 steps/mm for a reasonable tensioning range.
If your belt is to loose, you will have huge issues with backlash, which will eff up a LOT. Especially in Deltas.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 01:05PM |
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docpayce
@foryst: Leveling the top triangle is *NOT* as important as you might think. The position of that triangle and the endstops is easily compensated by endstop offsets in Repetier and Marlin. Especially if you use tools such as dc42's (Escher) delta calculator.
I suggest to loosen the top triangle at one tower, pull it upwards quite strongly to tension the belt and fasten the triangle-to-tower-beam screw while holding that tension. Do that on all three towers. The resulting "tone" of the tensioned belts should be a low to medium bass tone - not to tight, not loose. It is not as important that all belts hit exactly the same tone (though certainly being a plus), as GT2 belts are very stiff and will give you nice 80 steps/mm for a reasonable tensioning range.
If your belt is to loose, you will have huge issues with backlash, which will eff up a LOT. Especially in Deltas.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 01:51PM |
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Don't execute G29, try
G28
G1 X0 Y0 Z100
G30
--Did you pass the paper test when G28 and G1 X0 Y0 Z0?
Yes, it worked perfectly, touchdown dead center with a slight drag on the paper.
--You should get z-probe reading for the center of bed..G28
G1 X0 Y0 Z100
G30
When run, works fine until G30 input it then drops to the bed triggers the sensor (lights up) and then throws a "fatal:G29 leveling bed leveLing failed!"
-You have to reset eeprom completely after switching from marlin. Load default eeprom settings.
I'm stalled on the eprom operation. I looked for a default settings or anything like a reset under the firmware configuration tab. Not sure how to proceed to follow your very first suggestion This is my first dealings with eeprom. The online faq indicates eprom is difficult to erase.
?Is that the reason default settings must be reloaded, to effect a clean rewrite?
?Using the import and export buttons under the eprom settings was I supposed to save my original settings?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/07/2016 01:52PM by paul_delta.
My [www.thingiverse.com] stuff, my configuration of Repetier 0.92.6: [forums.reprap.org] (use Arduino 1.6.5 to compile)
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 04:32PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 04:35PM |
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docpayce
@Captain_Tim:
There is so much to do. I am planning a youtube video on that.
I did:
- Use paul_delta's z probe (today I use mine with an endstop) instead of original one
- Reprinted the effector
- E3D V6, yes, with a new fan setup (2 fans cooling the print, one the hot end)
- Glass on top of the heated bed, clamped down with either paper clips or picture frame clips
- Improved heated bed holders / fixation
- Improved filament roll holder
I will:
- Magnetic rods
- Remove PTC fuses and use car fuses (those flat ones)
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 05:03PM |
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@Captain_Tim:
There is so much to do. I am planning a youtube video on that.
I did:
- Use paul_delta's z probe (today I use mine with an endstop) instead of original one
- Reprinted the effector
- E3D V6, yes, with a new fan setup (2 fans cooling the print, one the hot end)
- Glass on top of the heated bed, clamped down with either paper clips or picture frame clips
- Improved heated bed holders / fixation
- Improved filament roll holder
I will:
- Magnetic rods
- Remove PTC fuses and use car fuses (those flat ones)
Thanks for your replies. I look forward to seeing your video! I don't think my printer is calibrated well enough at this moment to print a new effector though... not yet anyways. Is there an upgrade that you've done that you recommend above all?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 06:39PM |
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paul_delta
Very strange, G30 shouldn't return such kind of error. Definitely something wrong with your settings or Eeprom.
Try again: download preconfigured Repetier archive (the link on the bottom of this message), compile it and upload to your printer.
Then start Repetier host and enter M502 to load default Configuration.h settings and then M500 to store them to Eeprom. Then go to Repetier host Config-Eeprom menu and enter your diagonal rod, z max and horizontal radius values. Click Ok to save values to Eeprom.
Then adjust your z max height for X0 Y0 Z0 using paper test. Home your printer and set your probe mount. Home again and manually, using Repetier host buttons move your effector/probe down (so it will slowly go to X0 Y0 Z0). Pay attention when your probe will trigger (red LED). Write down the current Z (height) value and enter this value as Z probe height to Eeprom using Config-Eeprom menu. Save settings. Home your printer again and move your effector to your Z height poisition + 10-15mm so you will have 10-15mm room between the probe tip and bed. Let's say your Z probe height is 70mm. Execute G28 and then G1 X0 Y0 Z80. Now you are ready to measure your Z-probe for X0 Y0 coordinate. Execute G30 and you should get your Z-probe value for this points (X0 Y0).
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paul_delta
Don't execute G29, try
G28
G1 X0 Y0 Z100
G30
--Did you pass the paper test when G28 and G1 X0 Y0 Z0?
Yes, it worked perfectly, touchdown dead center with a slight drag on the paper.
--You should get z-probe reading for the center of bed..G28
G1 X0 Y0 Z100
G30
When run, works fine until G30 input it then drops to the bed triggers the sensor (lights up) and then throws a "fatal:G29 leveling bed leveLing failed!"
-You have to reset eeprom completely after switching from marlin. Load default eeprom settings.
I'm stalled on the eprom operation. I looked for a default settings or anything like a reset under the firmware configuration tab. Not sure how to proceed to follow your very first suggestion This is my first dealings with eeprom. The online faq indicates eprom is difficult to erase.
?Is that the reason default settings must be reloaded, to effect a clean rewrite?
?Using the import and export buttons under the eprom settings was I supposed to save my original settings?
Yikes! New problem, now I'm getting a compilation error when I run verify on a fresh download of paul_delta's "my configuration of Repitier 0.92.6" the thing is, I've done this before with the very same file with no problem and I haven't changed anything. ........
The error message reads:
"sketch\libraries\twi.c:1:17: fatal error: twi.c: No such file or directory
#include
compilation terminated.
exit status 1"
Error compiling for board Arduino/Genuine Mega or Mega 2560"
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 06:43PM |
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"sketch\libraries\twi.c:1:17: fatal error: twi.c: No such file or directory
#include
compilation terminated.
exit status 1"
Error compiling for board Arduino/Genuine Mega or Mega 2560"
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 08:16PM |
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Honestly reprinting the effector may be the best improvement if you got one of the effectors that was incorrectly sized like I did. Measure the width of the arm separators on the carriages vs the effector. If they're off by more than a mm, you're gonna have a bad time. Luckily an effector is very easy to print, and given that it's relatively small, hard to screw up. Just make sure to toss the FT bolts and get some at the hardware store. The ones that come with the kit tend to wear on the hex head and become impossible to remove after 1 or 2 reuses.
What makes you think it's not calibrated well enough to reprint the effector?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 08:50PM |
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paul_delta
Use previous version of Arduino 1.6.5 to compile 92.6.
This compilation error fixed in 92.8 but 92.8 is still buggy.
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Gingerbreadman
"sketch\libraries\twi.c:1:17: fatal error: twi.c: No such file or directory
#include
compilation terminated.
exit status 1"
Error compiling for board Arduino/Genuine Mega or Mega 2560"
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 08:58PM |
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Gingerbreadman
OK downloaded and installed arudino v1.6.5, It compiles the file...but now when I try to upload i get a never before seen error.
-------- Problem uploading to board:
"averdude: ser_drain ( ) :read error: The handle is invalid. "
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paul_delta
Use previous version of Arduino 1.6.5 to compile 92.6.
This compilation error fixed in 92.8 but 92.8 is still buggy.
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Gingerbreadman
"sketch\libraries\twi.c:1:17: fatal error: twi.c: No such file or directory
#include
compilation terminated.
exit status 1"
Error compiling for board Arduino/Genuine Mega or Mega 2560"
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 09:21PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 09:33PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 11:05PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 11:12PM |
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Gingerbreadman
.....................................Problem...........................................
9. Now you are ready to measure your Z-probe for X0 Y0 coordinate. Execute G30 and you should get your Z-probe value for this points (X0 Y0).
-No Check, it runs but never triggers the probe, all of your above steps worked. I must have mis-entered some value but tried to remain true to your excellent instructions. My max Z height at 277.60 is paper tested by multiple repeat testing if the affects anything.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 11:42PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 11:43PM |
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Gingerbreadman
Home printer M114 gives,
X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:277.60 E:0.0000
Z:277.60 matches my max Z in eeprom settings
Effector touching bed gives M114 gives,
X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:70.60 E:0.0000
Z:70.60 matches my Z height setting in eeprom settings
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 11:56PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 07, 2016 11:58PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 08, 2016 08:03PM |
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paul_delta
So, check your z-probe wiring - it must be Low in normal condition and High when triggered.
Make sure you connected it to Z-min pins.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 08, 2016 11:06PM |
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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 09, 2016 11:53AM |
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Captain_Tim
So I begun to print out Paul's magnetic probe holder and I got the mount printed out. The exterior turned out great, but the infill with the perimeters have serious gap. Image
Is that due to under-extruding, or small perimeter widths? Or both?
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level March 09, 2016 11:55AM |
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paul_delta
Looks like underextrusion. Did you calibrate your extrusion with? If so, probably you did it at at much lower speed. Probably the speed was too high for this print.