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Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level

Posted by Kasahabo 
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 06, 2015 09:58PM
Interestingly I plugged in the screen that I ordered with the printer- which I didn't think would work cause I'm missing a power pin on AUX 4- and now it has more functionality than before.

If I let it sit long enough (like 10min) I'll get the
[ERROR] Can't write to printer (disconnected?)(serialException): Write timeout

and lose control of everything (including shutting off the heat).

Before that happens I can turn on, and off the bed and the hotend, both heat and register on the thermistors. However as soon as I try to move the motors at all I get the same error.

I am unable to home the motors at all even from the LCD screen menu.

EDIT: Just found out that if I plug the printer into power, but no USB- the LCD screen freaks out and never displays anything, just refreshes over and over. I assume this is due to that missing pin and not getting the right power without USB, idk tho...

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2015 10:12PM by fattmann.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 06, 2015 10:39PM
Hi.

No, I use the M3-8mm bolts. These 8mm bolts are the shortest ones.

But how many M3-8mm bolts are used up for the construction? Who can answer?

I need to know, in order to understand how many spare bolts of that type I have. Thanks. :-D
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 06, 2015 10:45PM
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Sven.L
Hi.

No, I use the M3-8mm bolts. These 8mm bolts are the shortest ones.

But how many M3-8mm bolts are used up for the construction? Who can answer?

I need to know, in order to understand how many spare bolts of that type I have. Thanks. :-D

Each connector piece to extruded aluminum needs four bolts, and the bottom pieces are double tall. So you're looking at 36 for the main construction of the triangular frame.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 06, 2015 11:35PM
Custom wires for the XYZ and extruder are done for the Duet. Plug part numbers for the Duet version I received and cables are below.

Motor Pins: SPH-002T-P0.5S
Motor Plug: PHR-6

Board Pins: 08-50-0114
Board Plugs: 22-01-1042

Cable: CF240-01-04






Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 12:32AM
Ahhhh, thevisad, you take away the sensitive boar from the heat bed. I was thinking about the same thing, too. But first I have to finish building my printer. My idea is, to put the board to the very top. Basically, to exchange the bottom with the top. Just to have the heat bed alone still remaining at the bottom.

And I also want to use, after I started to use my printer, longer aluminum parts, to increase the print area. Let's see...

And eventually, get some plexi glass parts cut to my specifications, and getting a case around the printer.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2015 12:42AM by Sven.L.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 12:34AM
SD init fail simply means that there is no SD card inserted, and isn't really an error . . .

- Tim
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 01:23AM
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tadawson
[forums.reprap.org]

- Tim

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SlowFoot
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tadawson
Ironically, you can see the gap due to the corners being extruded wrong in thier photos . . . for those of you whonhave read my thread on that topic . . .

The good news is that they finally got rid of the crap extruder block thatbate bearings!

And myself, having gotten my rails smooth with nothing more than ample lube and use, I'm not sure I see the wheels as anything other than a downgrade . . . and not having the linear rails bolted to the frame (9 places each) will likely reduce the overall rigidity of the frame.

- Tim

I have not read your post and I may very well end up with a set of the corners, is there a link that I missed?

And the bottom corners are split sad smiley frame rigidity is all depending on a few tiny bolts,by what I can see.
Well, making a few extra holes is not that hard I suppose and plates to cover the bottom rails would also help and look good too.

Cheers!

Thanks Tim!
But not very encouraging reading sad smiley
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 02:30AM
Sounds like the 5V regulator on the Arduino is overloaded. It's a common problem with Arduino/RAMPS. There are workarounds that I have posted several times before, but that electronics is barely fast enough to run a delta anyway.

Edit :that was in reply to fattman's post at the end of the previous page.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2015 02:33AM by dc42.



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Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 08:43AM
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tadawson
SD init fail simply means that there is no SD card inserted, and isn't really an error . . .

- Tim

What confuses me is the printer in it's stock form doesn't have an SD card slot- so why is it preventing me from using it without an SD card?

I had to connect the LCD screen that has an SD card slot, an item I paid extra for, before it would control the heating elements properly. If the machine is not functioning without aftermarket parts, I would call that a malfunction- there for it looking for something that doesn't exist an error.


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dc42
Sounds like the 5V regulator on the Arduino is overloaded. It's a common problem with Arduino/RAMPS. There are workarounds that I have posted several times before, but that electronics is barely fast enough to run a delta anyway.

Edit :that was in reply to fattman's post at the end of the previous page.

Good to know. I'm pretty sure it's due to that missing pin n AUX 4. I don't plan on running it without a PC anyway so it's not a Huge deal. I just don't know if that has anything related to why I can't fire any of my motors, or I get a timeout error when I do try to fire them.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 09:39AM
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fattmann
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tadawson
SD init fail simply means that there is no SD card inserted, and isn't really an error . . .

- Tim

What confuses me is the printer in it's stock form doesn't have an SD card slot- so why is it preventing me from using it without an SD card?

I had to connect the LCD screen that has an SD card slot, an item I paid extra for, before it would control the heating elements properly. If the machine is not functioning without aftermarket parts, I would call that a malfunction- there for it looking for something that doesn't exist an error.


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dc42
Sounds like the 5V regulator on the Arduino is overloaded. It's a common problem with Arduino/RAMPS. There are workarounds that I have posted several times before, but that electronics is barely fast enough to run a delta anyway.

Edit :that was in reply to fattman's post at the end of the previous page.

Good to know. I'm pretty sure it's due to that missing pin n AUX 4. I don't plan on running it without a PC anyway so it's not a Huge deal. I just don't know if that has anything related to why I can't fire any of my motors, or I get a timeout error when I do try to fire them.

You can disable it in the firmware, comment out the lines in configuration.h that load the settings.

https://github.com/thevisad/Marlin/blob/master/Marlin/Configuration.h#L692
https://github.com/thevisad/Marlin/blob/master/Marlin/Configuration.h#L724
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 10:38AM
It isn't . . . the SD message is purely informational, and I see it all the time with zero impact. Your problem is something else, but as others noted, comment out SD_CARD_SUPPORT in Configration.h if it bugs you that much. No card in the slot vs. no slot at all look the same electrically . . .

- Tim

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fattmann
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tadawson
SD init fail simply means that there is no SD card inserted, and isn't really an error . . .

- Tim

What confuses me is the printer in it's stock form doesn't have an SD card slot- so why is it preventing me from using it without an SD card?

I had to connect the LCD screen that has an SD card slot, an item I paid extra for, before it would control the heating elements properly. If the machine is not functioning without aftermarket parts, I would call that a malfunction- there for it looking for something that doesn't exist an error.


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dc42
Sounds like the 5V regulator on the Arduino is overloaded. It's a common problem with Arduino/RAMPS. There are workarounds that I have posted several times before, but that electronics is barely fast enough to run a delta anyway.

Edit :that was in reply to fattman's post at the end of the previous page.

Good to know. I'm pretty sure it's due to that missing pin n AUX 4. I don't plan on running it without a PC anyway so it's not a Huge deal. I just don't know if that has anything related to why I can't fire any of my motors, or I get a timeout error when I do try to fire them.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/07/2015 10:39AM by tadawson.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 10:48AM
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tadawson
It isn't . . . the SD message is purely informational, and I see it all the time with zero impact. Your problem is something else, but as others noted, comment out SD_CARD_SUPPORT in Configration.h if it bugs you that much. No card in the slot vs. no slot at all look the same electrically . . .

- Tim

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fattmann
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tadawson
SD init fail simply means that there is no SD card inserted, and isn't really an error . . .

- Tim

What confuses me is the printer in it's stock form doesn't have an SD card slot- so why is it preventing me from using it without an SD card?

I had to connect the LCD screen that has an SD card slot, an item I paid extra for, before it would control the heating elements properly. If the machine is not functioning without aftermarket parts, I would call that a malfunction- there for it looking for something that doesn't exist an error.


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dc42
Sounds like the 5V regulator on the Arduino is overloaded. It's a common problem with Arduino/RAMPS. There are workarounds that I have posted several times before, but that electronics is barely fast enough to run a delta anyway.

Edit :that was in reply to fattman's post at the end of the previous page.

Good to know. I'm pretty sure it's due to that missing pin n AUX 4. I don't plan on running it without a PC anyway so it's not a Huge deal. I just don't know if that has anything related to why I can't fire any of my motors, or I get a timeout error when I do try to fire them.

I will look into that line. Thanks.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 12:24PM
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fattmann
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Sven.L
Hi.

No, I use the M3-8mm bolts. These 8mm bolts are the shortest ones.

But how many M3-8mm bolts are used up for the construction? Who can answer?

I need to know, in order to understand how many spare bolts of that type I have. Thanks. :-D

Each connector piece to extruded aluminum needs four bolts, and the bottom pieces are double tall. So you're looking at 36 for the main construction of the triangular frame.

FYI - SAVE ALL THOSE 8mm BOLTS FOR INSTALLING THE RAILS.

This was the part that got me - the directions say use the 8mm bolts for construction - but don't - use the 10mm ones and save the 8mm ones for installing the rails, otherwise you will have issues smiling smiley

I know this got me.

Mike
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 07, 2015 05:42PM
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cislom
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fattmann
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Sven.L
Hi.

No, I use the M3-8mm bolts. These 8mm bolts are the shortest ones.

But how many M3-8mm bolts are used up for the construction? Who can answer?

I need to know, in order to understand how many spare bolts of that type I have. Thanks. :-D

Each connector piece to extruded aluminum needs four bolts, and the bottom pieces are double tall. So you're looking at 36 for the main construction of the triangular frame.

FYI - SAVE ALL THOSE 8mm BOLTS FOR INSTALLING THE RAILS.

This was the part that got me - the directions say use the 8mm bolts for construction - but don't - use the 10mm ones and save the 8mm ones for installing the rails, otherwise you will have issues smiling smiley

I know this got me.

Mike

It's kind of a crap shoot. We prolly had 30 left over 8mm, and ran out of 10mm early on.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 08, 2015 06:18AM
Surprising Discovery!

As I mentioned before, after mounting the aluminum extrusions of the top and bottom corner are still loose. Today, I glided them open carefully a bit, and found out to my bewilderness, that the t-nuts are firm and solidly fixed to the black plastic with their bolts. And still, the aluminum parts (on two of the three corners) are moving. HELP!

Even worse, I am still not able to move most of the bolts off again, as their hexagonal middle hole has widened through previous attempts. Do I have to accept now that I never will be able to firmly mount the aluminum parts to the black plastic? Would that be a problem? Or is it even supposed to be that way?

PS: thanks for the last postings. So I will try using the M3-10mm. IF the 8mm can be removed...


Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2015 03:16AM by Sven.L.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 08, 2015 09:02AM
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Sven.L
Surprising Discovery!

As I mentioned before, after mounting the aluminum extrusions of the top and bottom corner are still loose. Today, I glided them open carefully a bit, and found out to my bewilderness, that the t-nuts are firm and solidly fixed to the black plastic with their bolts. And still, the aluminum parts (on two of the three corners) are moving. HELP!

Even worse, I am still not able to move most of the bolts off again, as their hexagonal middle hole has widened through previous attempts. Do I have to accept now that I never will be able to firmly mount the aluminum parts to the black plastic? Would that be a problem? Or is it even supposed to be that way?

PS: thanks for the last postings. So I will try using the M3-10mm. IF the 8mm can be removed...

I had to hit the corners with a Drexel to remove the rib in way of all the touts, pain but the only way I could get them tight.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 08, 2015 09:07PM
Hello Everyone -

I am in the process of printing these right now - spent a bit of time making a stand to elevate the printer w/a duct and a 30mm fan. Let me know what you all think!

[www.thingiverse.com]
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 02:06AM
To achieve more tension of the T-nuts towards the aluminum parts, I try now to lower with the help of a sharp knife the black plastic where the bolt for the T-nut comes out. This way, the T-nut should have more pressure and grip on the aluminum parts. I hope.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 03:14AM
Yes, now it works!

If you want to ensure that the grip of the T-nuts to the aluminum parts is really firm, then do this:

Before using the bolts and T-nuts, use a sharp knife and lower that area of the black plastic below where the T-nuts later will be, just a little bit. See the photo. Do this for each area below a T-nut, (and that applies to the assemblies of the upper and lower corners).

Then use the bolts and T-nuts, and you will have a much firmer grip to the aluminum parts.


Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2015 03:17AM by Sven.L.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 05:24AM
What is the slot size on the 2020 that Folger use? I'm thinking about getting me some sliding T-nuts.

Cheers!

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2015 05:25AM by SlowFoot.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 10:56AM
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SlowFoot
What is the slot size on the 2020 that Folger use? I'm thinking about getting me some sliding T-nuts.

Cheers!

The same as every other 2020 out there, Misumi 2020 Extrusion All you need to do is search for 2020 t nuts and they will come up.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 11:04AM
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thevisad
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SlowFoot
What is the slot size on the 2020 that Folger use? I'm thinking about getting me some sliding T-nuts.

Cheers!

The same as every other 2020 out there, Misumi 2020 Extrusion All you need to do is search for 2020 t nuts and they will come up.

Thanks! thumbs up
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 11:17AM
To continue on the nut-track. If I understand this right M3 is used for the printer frame but the 2020 can take up to M6. Even M4 would be a substantial upgrade from M3. Is it possible to use larger dimensions then M3 for the frame corners?

Cheers!
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 11:24AM
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SlowFoot
To continue on the nut-track. If I understand this right M3 is used for the printer frame but the 2020 can take up to M6. Even M4 would be a substantial upgrade from M3. Is it possible to use larger dimensions then M3 for the frame corners?

Cheers!

Sure, as long as the nut fits inside the track below the slot. I think that will be your issue with larger bolts.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 11:29AM
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SlowFoot
To continue on the nut-track. If I understand this right M3 is used for the printer frame but the 2020 can take up to M6. Even M4 would be a substantial upgrade from M3. Is it possible to use larger dimensions then M3 for the frame corners?

Cheers!

Yes sir, I was just looking over the nut selection and you can use M3/M4/M5 screws on these ones from Misumi. These are the Misumi part numbers, the end number corresponds with the screw size. Stainless is cheaper then steel on these (28 vs 32.20), but these are still more expensive then these Chinese ones from eBay.

PACK-HNTTSN5-3
PACK-HNTTSN5-4
PACK-HNTTSN5-5

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/09/2015 11:31AM by thevisad.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 11:34AM
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SlowFoot
To continue on the nut-track. If I understand this right M3 is used for the printer frame but the 2020 can take up to M6. Even M4 would be a substantial upgrade from M3. Is it possible to use larger dimensions then M3 for the frame corners?

Cheers!

Sure, as long as the nut fits inside the track below the slot. I think that will be your issue with larger bolts.

The gap inside the 2020 track is 6mm in size, meaning it will accept a M6 bolt (5.5mm) but nothing larger then that will fit without modification.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 02:49PM
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thevisad
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SlowFoot
To continue on the nut-track. If I understand this right M3 is used for the printer frame but the 2020 can take up to M6. Even M4 would be a substantial upgrade from M3. Is it possible to use larger dimensions then M3 for the frame corners?

Cheers!

Yes sir, I was just looking over the nut selection and you can use M3/M4/M5 screws on these ones from Misumi. These are the Misumi part numbers, the end number corresponds with the screw size. Stainless is cheaper then steel on these (28 vs 32.20), but these are still more expensive then these Chinese ones from eBay.

PACK-HNTTSN5-3
PACK-HNTTSN5-4
PACK-HNTTSN5-5

Thanks thevisad and llamatrails!
I'm leaning towards the roll-in type, they are more expensive but the ball and spring keeps them in place in the groove. Helps keep the blood pressure down.

Cheers!
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 02:53PM
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SlowFoot
Thanks thevisad and llamatrails!
I'm leaning towards the roll-in type, they are more expensive but the ball and spring keeps them in place in the groove. Helps keep the blood pressure down.

Cheers!


I have not played with those, you will have to update us on your experience.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 03:45PM
What are the parts I need to exchange, if I want to increase the print area in all three axises? One is the aluminum extruders. Another one are the rods. What else? Thanks.
Re: Folger Tech Kossel Delta 2020 Full 3D Printer Kit w/Auto-Level
August 09, 2015 04:29PM
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Sven.L
What are the parts I need to exchange, if I want to increase the print area in all three axises? One is the aluminum extruders. Another one are the rods. What else? Thanks.

You will need a new bed, new rails ( or did your one come with rollers? ) and new belts as well as the items you've already mentioned.

And maybe even consider new electronics, the 8bit ones come up short sometimes.
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