Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 01, 2015 03:50PM |
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So If I dont use an Arduino Ramps. How do I use my Kossel? What other system can run it.
Arduino/RAMPS has a number of issues, of which the lack of enough current from the 5V rail is the most frequently encountered. My recommendation is to use a modern 32-bit controller board such as Duet or Smoothieboard or one of their clones. These board are available from $50 + shipping including the drivers, although well-made ones not built in China cost more (just like Arduino and RAMPS).
For delta printers, I particularly recommend the Duet 0.8.5 which is available from Think3DPrint3D. It supports a fast auto delta calibration, segmentation-free delta movement, and a built-in web interface. See [miscsolutions.wordpress.com] for how I upgraded my delta from RAMPS to Duet. The calibration instructions in that series are out of date because it's completely automatic now if you have a Z probe.
If you want to spend less, you can get a Replikeo Duet 0.6 for $50 + shipping, although the quality seems to be variable.
If you want to continue using Arduino/RAMPS, see [forums.reprap.org] for how to work around the 5V power problem.
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 01, 2015 04:16PM |
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So If I upgrade to a duet then I have to buy your Panel DUE to get LCD function right?
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 01, 2015 04:20PM |
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So If I upgrade to a duet then I have to buy your Panel DUE to get LCD function right?
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 01, 2015 04:48PM |
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 01, 2015 06:17PM |
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So If I upgrade to a duet then I have to buy your Panel DUE to get LCD function right?
Currently the only LCD supported by RepRapFirmware is the PanelDue. That's because when I sounded out Duet users about providing an LCD display, although I intended to do a low-cost mono graphics one, the overwhelming response I got was that folks would rather spend more and have a colour touch screen.
Alternatively, connect the Duet to your home network, then you can use a smartphone or tablet to control it via the web interface.
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 01, 2015 06:36PM |
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 01, 2015 06:46PM |
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Hacker. Why is your kossel loudER now with duet?
I'd love to hear expert opinion myself. I attribute it to the lack of segmentation for now — after all it affects how it moves and therefore the sound it produces, but I'd love to hear expert opinion.
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 01, 2015 10:46PM |
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 04:08AM |
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If the printer is louder since uograding to the Duet, the most likely explanation is that the motor currents are set higher. I haven't heard that the decay change makes any difference to noise when using A4982 drivers.
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 04:17AM |
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If the printer is louder since uograding to the Duet, the most likely explanation is that the motor currents are set higher. I haven't heard that the decay change makes any difference to noise when using A4982 drivers.
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 05:35AM |
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 06:35AM |
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talking about currents... i just realise ive never even adjusted those. just plugged the drivers in, and started moving the printer. Is there a guide on how to find the best current for a delta printer and set the drivers accordingly? I dont even know what a too high a current or too low even does (except for frying your steppers, or overheating the drivers)
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 07:24AM |
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 09:50AM |
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BTW... Sintron's guys sent me replacement parts which could match their large rod ends. I've received definitely larger belt clips (for roller cars) and rather the same effector plate. Belt clips mounting hole moved to 1.5mm farther from carriage. But regarding the effector... I noticed the only change - it's 38.5-38.7mm (instead of 40mm) between mounting points for roads. In the same time belt clips are 40mm in width. So rods wont be parallel after mounting.
[attachment 65137 Sintron_larger_parts.jpg]
The original parts are on the left, the new - on the right (in each pair).
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 10:02AM |
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BTW... Sintron's guys sent me replacement parts which could match their large rod ends. I've received definitely larger belt clips (for roller cars) and rather the same effector plate. Rod end mounting hole on belt clip is moved to 1.5mm farther from carriage. But regarding the effector... I noticed the only change - it's 38.5-38.7mm (instead of 40mm) between mounting points for roads. In the same time belt clips are 40mm in width. So rods wont be parallel after mounting.
[attachment 65137 Sintron_larger_parts.jpg]
The original parts are on the left, the new - on the right (in each pair).
With new effector rods can be spread wider, but they still interfere. Beside that the minimum angle is also increased a bit, that's not good.
[attachment 65150 Sintron_effectors_comparison.jpg]
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 10:05AM |
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For the axis motors, set the current high enough so that you can get the acceleration you want, but low enough to minimise the damage caused if you get a gead crash etc. This will typically be between 50% and 80% of rated current, a higher percentage for short motors than for long ones. Too low a current may also cause the motor not to respond to jogging by small amounts sometimes.
For the extruder, set the current high enough to not skip steps during normal extrusion, but low enough to skip steps if the nozzle is obstructed, to avoid grinding a notch in the filament.
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 02, 2015 06:34PM |
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 04:20AM |
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The bottom layer is a bit junky because the filament was just inserted and the extrusion was not started at very beginning.
But why the corners are round a bit? Is it normal?
And it seems it over-extruded (but I calibrated extruder precisely: 100mm requested - 100mm got).
The settings was: PLA @ 200C, layer 0.3.
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And after the print I got a thin straight solid thread of plastic 20cm long from last printing point to the nozzle. Not enough retraction at the end? Or wrong temperature?
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How to eliminate plastic threads while head is moving from object to object without printing?
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 04:25AM |
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 05:06AM |
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Sintron offered me a new PSU. I dint expect that. the service is really incredible for a HK seller. I asked if they could send a 20A version, and they agreed for 10 dollar more.
Good deal, good service. parts quality may not be premium grade (as should have been expected for this price), but i'm still happy i bought this set.
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 06:32AM |
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thanks for the heads-up. I have never noticed the RAMPS to run very hot, but i only heated the heatbed to 60 degrees for PLA. Have not tried ABS yet before i can put stronger fans under my heatbed and i have kapton tape (painters tape probably wont like it if i heat the bed to 90 degrees for an extended amount of time. Anyone tried printing without any type of tape or adhesive on the bed by the way?Quote
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Sintron offered me a new PSU. I dint expect that. the service is really incredible for a HK seller. I asked if they could send a 20A version, and they agreed for 10 dollar more.
Good deal, good service. parts quality may not be premium grade (as should have been expected for this price), but i'm still happy i bought this set.
More important is the ammount of power, the RAMPS is eating away from the heatbed.
Inputvoltage 11.97V Output RAMPS for Heatbed 9.46V - RAMPS gets very hot!
I don't want to discuss things with sintron anymore - just try to use a relay for heatbed and a PC-Powersupply (360W on +12V available)
But I have another strange behaviour:
I'm printig PLA with Nozzle 0.4mm
Layerheight 0,2mm
Hotend Temp 215°C (less temperature I won't get stron parts) - Temperature checked is 212°C
I can only achive 15mm/sec - seems much to low for me.... trying more Speed, extrudermotor jumps back - it can't push the Filament faster because it won't melt fast enough...
did the volumetric Speed test - only 1.3mm³/sek - read somewhere it should be over 5mm³/sek
So what are your values?
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 08:36AM |
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I can only achive 15mm/sec - seems much to low for me.... trying more Speed, extrudermotor jumps back - it can't push the Filament faster because it won't melt fast enough...
did the volumetric Speed test - only 1.3mm³/sek - read somewhere it should be over 5mm³/sek
So what are your values?
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 09:10AM |
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thanks for the heads-up. I have never noticed the RAMPS to run very hot, but i only heated the heatbed to 60 degrees for PLA. Have not tried ABS yet before i can put stronger fans under my heatbed and i have kapton tape (painters tape probably wont like it if i heat the bed to 90 degrees for an extended amount of time. Anyone tried printing without any type of tape or adhesive on the bed by the way?
about the extrusion problem: maybe the current is set too low on the extruder, causing it to skip steps? just guessing, i dont know jack about currents and what the right current would be...
If you tell me how to perform the volumetric test, i will gladly try it and report the results back.
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I can only achive 15mm/sec - seems much to low for me.... trying more Speed, extrudermotor jumps back - it can't push the Filament faster because it won't melt fast enough...
did the volumetric Speed test - only 1.3mm³/sek - read somewhere it should be over 5mm³/sek
So what are your values?
I'm getting good prints at 60 mm/s, at 0.3mm and 0.1mm layer heights in PLA. 210 degrees first layer, 200 thereafter.
Have you adjusted the motor driver currents? You stick a jewellers screwdriver in the little trimpot, and measure the voltage between the screwdriver and earth, while slowly nudging the screwdriver back and forth. Mine is set to 0.45V.
I found that I also had to wind the extruder spring tensioner right up, almost to the stop. Otherwise I was getting grinding of filament occasionally. This would show as occasional thin strings where it should have been a continuous flat sheet. Took me ages to figure out what was going wrong.
For ABS you don't need the extruder tension as high, but I just leave it there because I'm lazy.
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 10:17AM |
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I will do measurement of the Voltage/Current again.
Seems there are different types of PLA out there
http://reprap.org/wiki/PLA#Heater_Settings
some melting at 160°C some at 230°C....
Have to check back at distributor, which value is suitable for the Filament I bought....
My Extruder is not grinding away the filament, Stepper-driver ist jumping back with "Clonck, clonck, clonck,..."
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 03:36PM |
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I can only achive 15mm/sec - seems much to low for me.... trying more Speed, extrudermotor jumps back - it can't push the Filament faster because it won't melt fast enough...
did the volumetric Speed test - only 1.3mm³/sek - read somewhere it should be over 5mm³/sek
So what are your values?
I'm getting good prints at 60 mm/s, at 0.3mm and 0.1mm layer heights in PLA. 210 degrees first layer, 200 thereafter.
Have you adjusted the motor driver currents? You stick a jewellers screwdriver in the little trimpot, and measure the voltage between the screwdriver and earth, while slowly nudging the screwdriver back and forth. Mine is set to 0.45V.
I found that I also had to wind the extruder spring tensioner right up, almost to the stop. Otherwise I was getting grinding of filament occasionally. This would show as occasional thin strings where it should have been a continuous flat sheet. Took me ages to figure out what was going wrong.
For ABS you don't need the extruder tension as high, but I just leave it there because I'm lazy.
Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 04:34PM |
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Increase Hotend temperature to 220/225/230°C - only more stringing, but not more extrusion....
I think, I'll use the Filament as it is, and maybe with next Filament, things get better...
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Re: Ebay SINTRON Kossel Mini full kit November 03, 2015 05:22PM |
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Increase Hotend temperature to 220/225/230°C - only more stringing, but not more extrusion....
I think, I'll use the Filament as it is, and maybe with next Filament, things get better...
Did you check if there is a jam in the nozzle and (possible) in the heat breaking tube? Overheating PLA can lead to jams.
BTW. I print PLA @ 200C (all layers) with bed @ 45C on blue tape. With 0.2mm layer it prints just perfect. Printing speed - 60mm/s, infill - 120mm/s, movement - 400mm/s.