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Trouble with larger prints sticking

Posted by Ace67aod 
Re: Trouble with larger prints sticking
February 08, 2016 02:35AM
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nebbian
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Ace67aod
So after i remeasure and compensate with the H parameter then i check zero after an auto-cal my paper snags at zero but HARDLY snags... So it seems almost as if this is still not enough to squish the first layer (usually only in the middle the skirt prints fine) is there something else i could be missing to make this happen?

I've never understood the advice to set the height at which paper just snags as 0. This doesn't take into account the thickness of the sheet of paper.

80 gsm paper (your normal printer paper) is pretty close to 0.1mm thick.

Hence the advice I received when calibrating, to set the height at which paper just snags to 0.1mm. If you calibrate your paper snagging height to 0, then the printer head will be 0.1mm too high, which will be especially noticeable on the first layer. If you calibrate to 0.1mm, then your print head will be at the proper height.


I hope this helps.

If the printer mechanism were completely rigid and you used a 0.1mm thick metal plate instead of paper, that would be true. But there is elasticity in the belts and arms that mean that the commanded height needs to be under 0.1mm before it has any real grip on the paper.



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Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: Trouble with larger prints sticking
February 08, 2016 03:30AM
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dc42
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nebbian
I've never understood the advice to set the height at which paper just snags as 0. This doesn't take into account the thickness of the sheet of paper.

80 gsm paper (your normal printer paper) is pretty close to 0.1mm thick.

Hence the advice I received when calibrating, to set the height at which paper just snags to 0.1mm. If you calibrate your paper snagging height to 0, then the printer head will be 0.1mm too high, which will be especially noticeable on the first layer. If you calibrate to 0.1mm, then your print head will be at the proper height.


I hope this helps.

If the printer mechanism were completely rigid and you used a 0.1mm thick metal plate instead of paper, that would be true. But there is elasticity in the belts and arms that mean that the commanded height needs to be under 0.1mm before it has any real grip on the paper.

Forgive me if I've misunderstood, but are you saying that paper will push up the effector by 0.1mm, but extruded plastic under pressure won't do this?
Re: Trouble with larger prints sticking
February 08, 2016 05:03AM
When the plastic is extruded, there is a gap between the nozzle and the bed. Extruding plastic will not exert a significant upwards force on the nozzle unless you are over extruding. Whereas when the nozzle is gripping a piece of paper, the paper is exerting significant upwards force on the nozzle. But of course it also depends on how hard you allow the nozzle to grip the paper. Use whatever works for you.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], E3D tool changer, Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
Re: Trouble with larger prints sticking
February 10, 2016 12:14AM
Thanks nebbian, ill keep this in mind
I think my problem is what DC42 is describing actually. I added the rubberbands and printed joint holders to my rods (these came with my kit but i was not using). Also I think the push to fit tubing is tugging on the effector causing this tilt, resulting in the trigger height variation. I am going to rewire/retube and remount the extruder to deliver from the top so it will always enter directly into the hotend
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