Überextrusion in kleinen Bereichen/Inseln

Hallo Leute,

Ich weiß leider nicht, ob mein Problem durch die Software, das Hotend oder die Mechanik entsteht, deswegen poste ich es erstmal hier.

Ich habe bei kleinen Bereichen bzw. "Inseln" während des Drucks mit Slic3r immer ein Artefakt, welches wie Überextrusion (links) aussieht:



Links mit Slic3r 1.2.9 gedruckt - rechts mit Cura 2.1.3 (bei beiden Slicern wurden die gleichen Parameter verwendet.) Links "Überextrusion" nach der (4mm) Bohrung.

Ich habe den Flow nach Triffid Hunter mit dem 95% Infill-Würfel kalibriert, der Flow sollte einigermaßen passen, da die Top Layer schön glatt sind und ich auch sonst keine Probleme mit Über/Unterextrusion habe. Retract und extra Length on Restart habe ich mit 2 weit voneinander entfernten Thin Walls kalibriert, sodass direkt nach dem Retract bei einem neuen Layer die Wandstärke gleichdick wie beim Rest des Objekts ist - sodass direkt nach dem Retract nicht zu viel oder zu wenig extrudiert wird.

Das gleiche Objekt mit den gleichen Slicer Einstellungen zeigt bei Slic3r 1.2.9 links eben dieses Artefakt, welches bei Cura nicht vorhanden ist. Deshalb tippe ich, dass es eher am Slicer liegt, als an den Extruder Parametern.

Das versaut mir leider die Optik bei fast jedem Druck mit Slic3r 1.2.9, aber an welchen Einstellungen könnte es denn liegen? Cura kommt für mich ansonsten leider nicht in Frage, allein schon weil überhaupt keine Bridging Einstellungen vorgenommen werden können.

Zu meinem Drucker:

Drucker: Toolson MK2
Hotend: E3D V6 Clone, 0.5mm Düse
Extruder: Bowden
Slicer: Slic3r 1.2.9 / Cura 2.1.3
Speed: 40mm/s
Layer: 0.3mm
Perimeter: 2 Aussen
Infill: 20 %
Retract: 3mm ; 85mm/s @ 4000mm/s^2 ; 0,08mm extra nach Retract
Filament Lüfter: 100%, 2x 40mm Axiallüfter
Filament: PETG
Temperatur: 230°C / 65°C

4-mal bearbeitet. Zuletzt am 13.10.16 13:07.

Hast du den G-Code von den Teilen aus dem Foto parat?

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Lars - Blog, Thingiverse, Git

_{After successfully ignoring Google, FAQ's, the board search and leaving a undecipherable post in the wrong sub-forum don't expect an intelligent reply.}

Hallo,

Hier mal die Teile des G-codes, wo die Bohrung beginnt:


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1-mal bearbeitet. Zuletzt am 13.10.16 16:53.

Überextrusion ist damit tatsächlich unwahrscheinlicher geworden.

Beschleunigung und Jerk von X und Y ist auf was eingestellt?
Riemenspannung in Hz?

Deine Hotendklammer (das U) ist noch nicht ausgelutscht?

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Lars - Blog, Thingiverse, Git

_{After successfully ignoring Google, FAQ's, the board search and leaving a undecipherable post in the wrong sub-forum don't expect an intelligent reply.}

Hallo Toolson,

Ich möchte mich erstmal für deine Hilfe bedanken.

Ich habe jetzt die ältere Version 1.1.7 von Slic3r verwendet und die Einstellungen der neuen Version in die alte importiert.

Ich kann jetzt während des Drucks schon erkennen, dass die alte Slic3r Version - bei gleichen Einstellungen - scheinbar nicht dieses Problem hat. Bilder folgen gleich.

Edit:


links Slic3r 1.2.9, rechts Slic3r 1.1.7 bei gleichen Einstellungen

Ja was soll ich sagen... es scheint wohl ein Bug in Version 1.2.9 zu sein?

Zu ärgerlich - zeitgleich mit der neuen Slic3r Version habe ich den Toolson MK2 aufgebaut, zum ersten mal für mich ein Drucker mit Bowden Extruder und ich habe dieses Problem die ganze Zeit auf den Bowden geschoben und mir einen Wolf kalibriert - bis ich irgendwann aufgegeben und es akzeptiert hatte, dabei hatte ich schon die ganze Zeit ganz gute Einstellungen

4-mal bearbeitet. Zuletzt am 13.10.16 18:53.

Ich hatte auch schon ähnliche Probleme mit Slic3r 1.2.9. Statt downzugraden, habe ich mir die Entwicklerversion gebaut.
Damit ist das Druckbild auch viel besser.

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Gruß
Christopher
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Mein Drucker: P3Steel auf toolson Mk2 Basis

Ich habe exakt das gleiche Problem wie abgebildet, hatte das aber erstmal hinausgeschoben.
Hatte ein mechanisches Problem vermutet und werde das dann wohl auch mal ausprobieren.

Vielen Dank

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Best regards / Viele Grüße
Till

Ich habe mich auch schon gewundert warum die Drucke in dem Bereich schlechter geworden sind.
Danke für den Tip!

Gruß Michael

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Ich bin schon vor einiger Zeit auf 1.2.6 zurück. Die Version macht mir bisher keine Probleme und bietet zumindest das Feature der 3D-Ansicht.

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