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Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints

Posted by alvinflumox 
Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
November 20, 2019 05:55PM
Hi all,

I use a custom dagoma discovery 200 with marlin firmware 1.0 (I should try to upgrade) and PrusaSlicer 2.0.
My prints are really good in size / shape / strength. Everything is calibrated, extrusion appears to be perfect in flow and width.
There's only one strange detail : some geometric patterns appear on the sidewalls (all the sidewalls) as you can see on the picture. These are slightly raised, just noticeable under the fingers.

I thought at first it may come from the perimeters / infill junction, but they don't match the infill pattern + I tried to print with only one perimeter and no infill -> same result.
I also tried to rotate the part 45°, thinking it could be a linear bearing issue -> same result
I tried to change the printing speed (50 or 70 mm/s) -> same result
I tried to disable the auto cooling settings since it changes the printing speed based on layer time (really not convinced about this one but ok, let's try) -> same result

It seems like when the printer goes from A to B, the extrusion is split into segments, but it doesn't seem to be random. The pattern is "too geometric", and always the same on 2 prints of the same part.

I didn't make all possible tests yet. I'm thinking about disabling linear advance for example. But I was wondering if someone already experienced this issue.

Thanks for your help
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Re: Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
November 20, 2019 06:05PM
It's most likely a mechanical problem:
[all3dp.com]


http://www.marinusdebeer.nl/
Re: Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
November 20, 2019 11:45PM
DRV8825 driver chips?


Ultra MegaMax Dominator 3D printer: [drmrehorst.blogspot.com]
Re: Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
November 21, 2019 02:21PM
Thanks for your replies.

I don't think it's a mechanical issue since the pattern position does not depend on the part position or rotation on the print bed + it's too "perfect" to be a resonance issue or something.
You can see on the picture attached that it looks like ellipses drawn at regular intervals.

The board is a Melzi 2.0 with A4982 drivers
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Re: Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
November 22, 2019 02:52AM
Okay then it might be something called 'salmon skin'. I am not familiar with the drivers but google the term and see how it compares smiling smiley


http://www.marinusdebeer.nl/
Re: Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
November 23, 2019 05:43PM
Ah ! Thanks for giving a name to this issue !
A quick search tells me to add smoothers between the drivers and the motors.

I'll check that and give a feedback
Re: Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
February 11, 2020 05:08PM
Hi all, it's been a while.

It did was salmon skin. I added smoothers to my printer and the quality is much better now.
I upload a picture to show the difference.

Thank you very much for your help !
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Re: Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
February 12, 2020 04:48AM
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alvinflumox
Hi all, it's been a while.

It did was salmon skin. I added smoothers to my printer and the quality is much better now.
I upload a picture to show the difference.

Thank you very much for your help !

Hi, thanks for getting back! smiling smiley It's nice to see there is some improvement, but it looks as if there is still something showing.

Which TL smoothers did you buy? I'm curious as the ones I once bought didn't have any effect on my printing quality so yours already seem to work better.


http://www.marinusdebeer.nl/
Re: Geometric patterns on sidewalls of prints
February 16, 2020 03:42PM
Hi Ohmarinus,

Yes, there's still something visible depending on the lighting but it's barely noticeable under the fingers.
I bought makerbase smoothers, I found them here makerbase TL-smoothers
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