Cyclone PCB Factory

faaa que buena pagina. aunque no confio mucho en los programas de la nube.. parece mucho mejor que un programa para descargar.

Si ami no me cierra tampoco el tema de este tipo de soft en la nube. Conocenos las limitaciones de internet local.

Ayer estuve viendo esa interfaz y la verdad esta muy completa comparada a otras que vi.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2015 11:29AM by tatubias.

aquí paso una imagen de el proceso de ato-level en chilipeppr con el nano y grbl


lo único que le puedo criticar a esta interface es que es web, pero realmente es espectacular la compatibilidad que posee con grbl es perfecta.
posee :
* visor 3d
* auto-level con grbl o marlin
* importa archivos gcode o brd
* control jog por teclado
* función touch plate para probar la altura del z
* simulador integrado
* jog por mouse (presionando la tecla ctrl y haciendo clic en alguna parte de la pantalla podes mover los ejes a la posición señalada).
* y otras que todavía no he explorado

Abuerenator, que electrónica estas usando que tiene opción para el autolevel

tatubias es un arduino nano conectado a 5 drivers de scrap adaptados por mi para la prusa que estoy armando, el arduino nano con el firmware grbl tiene el pin A5 configurado como probe.
este pin es el que usa esta interface web y también el CNC-GCode-Controller que creo que es el que usan como host software en la Cyclone pcb factory.
Con respecto a la conexión es simplemente conectar el pin A5 del arduino nano a una punta de prueba y el pcb a masa y listo.

Yo estoy usando el shield CNC para el arduino uno, tengo que revisar si le sobra algún pin para habilitar una punta de aprueba.

Que udas como punta de prueba?

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abauerenator
tatubias es un arduino nano conectado a 5 drivers de scrap adaptados por mi para la prusa que estoy armando, duino nano con el firmware grbl tiene el pin A5 configurado como probe.
este pin es el que usa esta interface web y también el CNC-GCode-Controller que creo que es el que usan como host software en la Cyclone pcb factory.
Con respecto a la conexión es simplemente conectar el pin A5 del arduino nano a una punta de prueba y el pcb a masa y listo.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2015 01:41PM by tatubias.

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tatubias
Yo estoy usando el shield CNC para el arduino uno, tengo que revisar si le sobra algún pin para habilitar una punta de aprueba.

Que udas como punta de prueba?

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abauerenator
tatubias es un arduino nano conectado a 5 drivers de scrap adaptados por mi para la prusa que estoy armando, duino nano con el firmware grbl tiene el pin A5 configurado como probe.
este pin es el que usa esta interface web y también el CNC-GCode-Controller que creo que es el que usan como host software en la Cyclone pcb factory.
Con respecto a la conexión es simplemente conectar el pin A5 del arduino nano a una punta de prueba y el pcb a masa y listo.

Buenisimo, la punta del demel nomas debería andar.

Estoy viendo le sobras a4 y a5 hay que ver que se puede modificar

si usas el firmware Grbl v0.9i Atmega328p 16mhz 115200baud with ShapeOko2 defaults tenes el pin A5 como probe para 2 cosas: una atulevel del gcode, otra para ajustar el z.

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abauerenator
si usas el firmware Grbl v0.9i Atmega328p 16mhz 115200baud with ShapeOko2 defaults tenes el pin A5 como probe para 2 cosas: una atulevel del gcode, otra para ajustar el z.

Desburrame como es el tema conozco cero del tema cnc

Estuve revisando el codigo fuente.

En el archivi cpu_ap_atmega328p.h esta la asignacion de pines. Y esta definido el a5 como la punta de prueba. No esta relacionado al ShapeOko2. Asi que muy buena noticia. Seguramente ana en la placa de sinaptec. Solamente hay que re hacer el pin out de nuevo para su placa

Codigo

// Define probe switch input pin.
#define PROBE_DDR       DDRC
#define PROBE_PIN       PINC
#define PROBE_PORT      PORTC
#define PROBE_BIT       5  // Uno Analog Pin 5
#define PROBE_MASK      (1<Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/04/2015 03:34PM by tatubias.

Según lo que estuve investigando, la placa de sinaptec esta diseñada para firmware teacup el pin "A5" esta asignado físicamente al driver E (extrusor) de una 3d.
Por otro lado el firmware grbl tiene una configuración de pines que no se puede mover mucho por la forma en la que trabaja (según lo que he leído en el github oficial), es necesario que los pines de step de todos los drivers estén en el mismo puerto y de mismo modo los pines de dirección.

grbl pinout nano



ShapeOko2 tiene el mismo pinout que grbl lo unico que cambia es un arreglo para controlar la velocidad del husillo que afecta al pin de limit z que tiene que ser conectado a D12

Cheers, Nano-Fans :-) Let me put this here, Teacup firmware now comes with a board configuration for the NanoHearth, also a Nano-based controller. This may help you to craft a proven configuration for the SinapTec board. Sorry for not committing a "best guess" for the SinapTec, stuff which doesn't work out of the box is pretty contraproductive, disappointing people. As soon as there's a proven configuration I'll commit it, of course.

That said, touch probes like shown in the picture above are possible with Teacup, too, of course. Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.

Teacup even takes care to turn off the internal pullup resistor while not probing. Without this, a current flows during milling, slowly eroding your milling bits. This current reduced lifetime of PCB milling bits by some 30% here.

Last not least, support for printing/milling from SD card is just around the corner. Currently hacking the last missing pieces. Will easily fit into an '328 (some 22kB binary size).

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Dear Traumflg, we are aware of the new version of the firmware and the interface. We did not havetime to test the configuration for the board yet. That why we did not conract you yet.

I have tested the interface and its great. very easy to create you aown configuration. Idi always asked my self why a. Interface like this was created for marlin firmware. Configurations files are sooooo loooong that they are complicated to follow.

Good to know that teacup supports probing. I will be testing it with the arduino uno cnc shield. Prpbably I will be using your furmware for the cnc. Unless I can't find a web interface to. Control the cnc from the raspberry pi.

Do you know a good web interface to control a cnc that I can install on a raspbery and its compatible with teacup?

Good to know the sd future upgrade.

Can you provide a quick tutorial for this : Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.


Btw: we are not arduino nano, here its the cheapest solution that we can get. imagine it cost the chinese version from 20 to 30 usd here. Imagine the rest , ramps with mega chinese 150 usd or more. Nema 17 cosy 58usd . so we do what we can be made for little money . Also forget to ge an advanced board. Like a 32bits one. The other one that I realiy like is the teensy 3.x but It cost 170usd. So we are screwed. Keep in mind that a basic salary is like 500 usd. So all is expensive for us

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Traumflug
Cheers, Nano-Fans :-) Let me put this here, Teacup firmware now comes with a board configuration for the NanoHearth, also a Nano-based controller. This may help you to craft a proven configuration for the SinapTec board. Sorry for not committing a "best guess" for the SinapTec, stuff which doesn't work out of the box is pretty contraproductive, disappointing people. As soon as there's a proven configuration I'll commit it, of course.

That said, touch probes like shown in the picture above are possible with Teacup, too, of course. Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.

Teacup even takes care to turn off the internal pullup resistor while not probing. Without this, a current flows during milling, slowly eroding your milling bits. This current reduced lifetime of PCB milling bits by some 30% here.

Last not least, support for printing/milling from SD card is just around the corner. Currently hacking the last missing pieces. Will easily fit into an '328 (some 22kB binary size).

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/05/2015 09:28AM by tatubias.

hola Traumflug, son muy buenas noticias, anteriormente estuve intentando usar la herramienta de configuración de teacup firmware pero esta no soportaba atmega 328.

seria genial poder usar teacup en un arduino nano para construir tanto una impresora 3d como para la cylone pcb factory, y que ademas soporte el autolevel.

ya que como dijo tatubias aquí en argentina arduino nano es a lo que podemos acceder la mayoría.

tatubias yo con gastos de envió desde Buenos Aires a Salta pague 54.90 usd o 500 pesos argentinos por el arduino nano un poco caro me costo.

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Traumflug
Cheers, Nano-Fans :-) Let me put this here, Teacup firmware now comes with a board configuration for the NanoHearth, also a Nano-based controller. This may help you to craft a proven configuration for the SinapTec board. Sorry for not committing a "best guess" for the SinapTec, stuff which doesn't work out of the box is pretty contraproductive, disappointing people. As soon as there's a proven configuration I'll commit it, of course.

That said, touch probes like shown in the picture above are possible with Teacup, too, of course. Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.

Teacup even takes care to turn off the internal pullup resistor while not probing. Without this, a current flows during milling, slowly eroding your milling bits. This current reduced lifetime of PCB milling bits by some 30% here.

Last not least, support for printing/milling from SD card is just around the corner. Currently hacking the last missing pieces. Will easily fit into an '328 (some 22kB binary size).

Estimado so esta soportado el mano. Fujate atmega 328

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abauerenator
hola Traumflug, son muy buenas noticias, anteriormente estuve intentando usar la herramienta de configuración de teacup firmware pero esta no soportaba atmega 328.

seria genial poder usar teacup en un arduino nano para construir tanto una impresora 3d como para la cylone pcb factory, y que ademas soporte el autolevel.

ya que como dijo tatubias aquí en argentina arduino nano es a lo que podemos acceder la mayoría.

tatubias yo con gastos de envió desde Buenos Aires a Salta pague 54.90 usd o 500 pesos argentinos por el arduino nano un poco caro me costo.

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Traumflug
Cheers, Nano-Fans :-) Let me put this here, Teacup firmware now comes with a board configuration for the NanoHearth, also a Nano-based controller. This may help you to craft a proven configuration for the SinapTec board. Sorry for not committing a "best guess" for the SinapTec, stuff which doesn't work out of the box is pretty contraproductive, disappointing people. As soon as there's a proven configuration I'll commit it, of course.

That said, touch probes like shown in the picture above are possible with Teacup, too, of course. Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.

Teacup even takes care to turn off the internal pullup resistor while not probing. Without this, a current flows during milling, slowly eroding your milling bits. This current reduced lifetime of PCB milling bits by some 30% here.

Last not least, support for printing/milling from SD card is just around the corner. Currently hacking the last missing pieces. Will easily fit into an '328 (some 22kB binary size).

genial tatubias jejeje. mi ingles es muy básico entendí mal, pensé que estaban trabajando en eso no que ya estaba listo.
De todos modos ya tengo teacup andando en mi nano hace tiempo pero configurado a mano. ahora lo que no entendí es lo que explica de que se puede usar el teacup con auto level con G28

That said, touch probes like shown in the picture above are possible with Teacup, too, of course. Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.

Si por eso le pedí quebhaga un tutoriales básico con esa data así entendemos que quiso decir.

Para mi quiere decir que usemos unos de los lugares de enstop y modificar algo en el firmware para que emvie el g28 de envez del código de endstop

Lei y relei lo que dice


That said, touch probes like shown in the picture above are possible with Teacup, too, of course. Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.

Dice que definamos una de las patas como si fuese un endstops y mandemos g28 desde la ap para hacer el probing

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tatubias
Do you know a good web interface to control a cnc that I can install on a raspbery and its compatible with teacup?

Any interface communicating G-code should work. Usually I test with Pronterface, which is an option for entworking (export DISPLAY=:0, then just run it and the GUI will appear on the remote PC. Classical X Windows remote operation.

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tatubias
Can you provide a quick tutorial for this : Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.

Wrong question :-) When I give you a few goodies, the right answer is to show me your goodies :-) Mechanical endstops are described here: [reprap.org] . The pullup resistor shown there isn't neccessary, ATmega's internal one can do this better.

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tatubias
Also forget to ge an advanced board. Like a 32bits one.

An LPC1114FN28 is 32 bit, has 28 pins and costs about EUR/US$ 2.- here. There is already a Gen7-ARM design, millable as easy as your Nano extension. The lacking piece is the firmware, so far I were too busy with other stuff than adapting Teacup to this MCU.


P.S.: to those writing in this other language: uhm, I don't even recognize wether that's spanish or portugese.

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    tatubias
    Can you provide a quick tutorial for this : Simply define it like a mechanical endstop and use G28 for probing.


Wrong question :-) When I give you a few goodies, the right answer is to show me your goodies :-) Mechanical endstops are described here: [reprap.org] . The pullup resistor shown there isn't neccessary, ATmega's internal one can do this better.

It seems that i did not explain my self correctly. the question was : how to modify the firmware to make it work as a probe that pin of the board. but i will be doing my re search and will let you know.

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    tatubias
    Also forget to ge an advanced board. Like a 32bits one.


An LPC1114FN28 is 32 bit, has 28 pins and costs about EUR/US$ 2.- here. There is already a Gen7-ARM design, millable as easy as your Nano extension. The lacking piece is the firmware, so far I were too busy with other stuff than adapting Teacup to this MCU.

It will be very good if you adapt this firmware to that mcu, more bits / mhz good news. doing some research here in Argentina they are developing an open source / hardware computer based on CPU: LPC4337JBD144 NXP cpu.
the board has industrial / profesional specs (not cheap at all). by the moment they have not develop any 3d printer / cnc firmware yet.

you can find more information but all is in spanish.
[www.proyecto-ciaa.com.ar]

Avance un poco mas con el cnc, fui a comprar unos resortes en una ferreteria y tambien las varilla roscada de 8mm

seguro que esto le va a interesar a Tatu y alguno mas
http://www.designnews.com/lecture.asp?doc_id=277716&piddl_promo=&p_lg_c=

Algunas fotos mas...

che queda medio durazno el eje Y me parece que voy a tener que probar bien para que no salten pasos.

Estoy inflado hoy fui a 4 casas de rodamientos en Córdoba y ninguna tenía lm8uu .

Alguien saben en cor Córdoba quien tiene?

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tatubias
the question was : how to modify the firmware to make it work as a probe that pin of the board.

Electrically, probing a metal surface with something conductive is the very same as using a mechanical switch: it closes an electric circuit. So, the pin to connect the spindle/mill bit to is Z_MIN_PIN, or "Minimum Pin" of the Z axis in Configtool. The surface to be probed should be connected to GND. And don't forget to check "Use Internal Pullups", which is currently in the Miscellaneous tab of the printer configuration.

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buenisimo tato va quedando exelente, quiero ver esa maquinola escupiendo placas de sinaptec....

tato ahi te tire un diseñito para la fuente, fijate si te sirve:







le devuelvo las cosas a tomas asi te las lleva, aca estan los 2 stl:

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=848DFB2870B1442D!10675&authkey=!ALUm92IWNCm8Kas&ithint=folder%2cSTL

ESta buenisimo, dejame los solid tambien, por si lo modifico para agregarle un lugar para los conectors usb. creo que me quedo alguno de alguna pc.

algo como esto tengo voy aver cual en especial es el que tengo en casa.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=848DFB2870B1442D!10603&authkey=!AC4NSuULc1hXWDg&ithint=folder%2cpng