Argument Kills Uploads
Posted by SebastienBailard
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Argument Kills Uploads March 09, 2010 06:06AM |
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-Sebastien, RepRap.org library gnome.
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What's better: "Argument Kills Uploads" or "Argument Kills Contribution"?
via:
[www.metafilter.com]
"A Few Billion Lines of Code Later: Using Static Analysis to Find Bugs in the Real World - How Coverity built a bug-finding tool, and a business, around the unlimited supply of bugs in software systems."
[cacm.acm.org]
-Sebastien, RepRap.org library gnome.
Remember, you're all RepRap developers (once you've joined the super-secret developer mailing list), and the wiki, RepRap.org, [reprap.org] is for everyone and everything!
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Re: Argument Kills Uploads March 09, 2010 01:18PM |
Sebastian,
clear and focused thinking, once again. How about suggestions on where to air the dirty laundry? With such a diverse group of self-motivated(to varying degrees) and quite creative minds, it is inevitable that arguments from the best screw size to use at location X of to who should be leading this group and what they should be doing. The small stuff is not a problem int he frequently seen boards, but the latter needs to be discussed _somewhere_. I agree that it should not be in formums that newcomers like me don't frequent. I would love to show people all the exciting work, ideas, changes for their first week or two, before they begin to worry administering the process. But the people that _have_ been here long enough to have a useful opinion will need some place to discuss these things. Taking them out of general and into Library Administration sounds like a great idea. The last group I was busy with separated logged in users into two categories, contributors who provide money to pay for hosting fees, etc or substantial content, and the rest who are like extended family, fun to hang around with but not share family secrets with.
That would require a two tiered login structure, and I am not sure we are begin enough to require that yet. So maybe just an out-of-the-way corner for the adults to talk
Mike
clear and focused thinking, once again. How about suggestions on where to air the dirty laundry? With such a diverse group of self-motivated(to varying degrees) and quite creative minds, it is inevitable that arguments from the best screw size to use at location X of to who should be leading this group and what they should be doing. The small stuff is not a problem int he frequently seen boards, but the latter needs to be discussed _somewhere_. I agree that it should not be in formums that newcomers like me don't frequent. I would love to show people all the exciting work, ideas, changes for their first week or two, before they begin to worry administering the process. But the people that _have_ been here long enough to have a useful opinion will need some place to discuss these things. Taking them out of general and into Library Administration sounds like a great idea. The last group I was busy with separated logged in users into two categories, contributors who provide money to pay for hosting fees, etc or substantial content, and the rest who are like extended family, fun to hang around with but not share family secrets with.
That would require a two tiered login structure, and I am not sure we are begin enough to require that yet. So maybe just an out-of-the-way corner for the adults to talk
Mike
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Re: Argument Kills Uploads March 10, 2010 05:46AM |
How about suggestions on where to air the dirty laundry?
I tend to try to steer it into this forum. Because the implication is that we can make it go away by adding functionality to the server, thereby creating space for people to contribute, and if they want to fork, we create spaces for them at RepRap.org. I'm very keen on technical solutions to political problems.
it is inevitable that arguments from the best screw size to use
Imperial! I mean metric. ... I mean, whatever's handy, as long as it's documented.
to who should be leading this group and what they should be doing.
Oh that's simple. Adrian.
What he should be doing? ... Using blender instead of Art of Illusion. Wait, no, I mean, BRL-CAD, but releasing in BSD. Making Mendel better and doing user support. No. Wait, I mean, developing Post-Mendel.
Honestly, it's the wild west in here. I don't like policing other people's behavior, or trying to get User X to contribute in way Y using toolset Z if User X is happy and creating wiki pages using his or her favorite toolset.
More importantly I prevent user W from trying to police user Y's contributions. This includes folk trying to tell core-dev team what to do. This also includes spamming the dev forum with off topic ranting. Off topic = anything that's not part of the RepRap toolchain. Also, the worst way to get into the secret core-dev cabal is to start picking fights. The best way is to do stunning hardware development, or start contributing to the documentation, or adding functionality to the experimental Reprap.org server.
Frankly, the best way to get people to contribute to RepRap in a positive way is to pick and interesting problem, start working on it, create a wiki page, and then tell people about it.
In terms of politics-type-stuff re what Adrian plus the core group should be doing, that's dirty laundry which needs to be either sterilized with sunlight or politely and discretely dealt with in private*. Or better yet, via a Mediawiki extension, because that's what we do in this forum, is solve things.
I'd go on, but ranting about silly stuff fellow core-devs do has the perverse and unintended effect of a) not solving the problem and b) may dissuade them or distract them from contributing to the wiki.
Also, c) I've got a lot of server work I should be doing right now.
I think "Argument Kills Contribution", but 'Contribution' is a pretty passionless word. Maybe "Argument Kills Content", but Content is corporate speak for art, science, culture, etc.
-Sebastien
* Say, Forrest's self-propelled Mendel with a hand-gun and a web camera bolted on. Took out 3 users before we wrestled the controller away from him. You're not going to find _that_ in the RepRap history books. I decided not to blog that particular incident and he decided it was too early to [Redacted], but aside from that we're all about openness, transparency, and maximizing user contribution and self-actualiztion here. Just ask the secret core-dev team as soon as I bolt the mailing list back onto the forum software.
-Sebastien, RepRap.org library gnome.
Remember, you're all RepRap developers (once you've joined the super-secret developer mailing list), and the wiki, RepRap.org, [reprap.org] is for everyone and everything!
I tend to try to steer it into this forum. Because the implication is that we can make it go away by adding functionality to the server, thereby creating space for people to contribute, and if they want to fork, we create spaces for them at RepRap.org. I'm very keen on technical solutions to political problems.
it is inevitable that arguments from the best screw size to use
Imperial! I mean metric. ... I mean, whatever's handy, as long as it's documented.
to who should be leading this group and what they should be doing.
Oh that's simple. Adrian.
What he should be doing? ... Using blender instead of Art of Illusion. Wait, no, I mean, BRL-CAD, but releasing in BSD. Making Mendel better and doing user support. No. Wait, I mean, developing Post-Mendel.
Honestly, it's the wild west in here. I don't like policing other people's behavior, or trying to get User X to contribute in way Y using toolset Z if User X is happy and creating wiki pages using his or her favorite toolset.
More importantly I prevent user W from trying to police user Y's contributions. This includes folk trying to tell core-dev team what to do. This also includes spamming the dev forum with off topic ranting. Off topic = anything that's not part of the RepRap toolchain. Also, the worst way to get into the secret core-dev cabal is to start picking fights. The best way is to do stunning hardware development, or start contributing to the documentation, or adding functionality to the experimental Reprap.org server.
Frankly, the best way to get people to contribute to RepRap in a positive way is to pick and interesting problem, start working on it, create a wiki page, and then tell people about it.
In terms of politics-type-stuff re what Adrian plus the core group should be doing, that's dirty laundry which needs to be either sterilized with sunlight or politely and discretely dealt with in private*. Or better yet, via a Mediawiki extension, because that's what we do in this forum, is solve things.
I'd go on, but ranting about silly stuff fellow core-devs do has the perverse and unintended effect of a) not solving the problem and b) may dissuade them or distract them from contributing to the wiki.
Also, c) I've got a lot of server work I should be doing right now.
I think "Argument Kills Contribution", but 'Contribution' is a pretty passionless word. Maybe "Argument Kills Content", but Content is corporate speak for art, science, culture, etc.
-Sebastien
* Say, Forrest's self-propelled Mendel with a hand-gun and a web camera bolted on. Took out 3 users before we wrestled the controller away from him. You're not going to find _that_ in the RepRap history books. I decided not to blog that particular incident and he decided it was too early to [Redacted], but aside from that we're all about openness, transparency, and maximizing user contribution and self-actualiztion here. Just ask the secret core-dev team as soon as I bolt the mailing list back onto the forum software.
-Sebastien, RepRap.org library gnome.
Remember, you're all RepRap developers (once you've joined the super-secret developer mailing list), and the wiki, RepRap.org, [reprap.org] is for everyone and everything!
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