Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 22, 2015 05:51PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 23, 2015 12:25PM |
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The problem is not a lack of funds. The topic of a new server occasionally comes up on the reprap admin mailing list. The last time this was discussed (more than six months ago) Adrian Bowyer mentioned that the ad bar on the wiki brings in enough funds to pay for a new server. I do not know if this is still the case, but I expect it is.Quote
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So I suspect some fund-raising is needed in order to fund an adequate platform or these forums.
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 23, 2015 05:21PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 23, 2015 11:34PM |
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There are perhaps ten people who actively volunteer their time as admins for reprap.org. I do not know the exact number because we basically never talk to each other. Of these ten people, perhaps two or three have the skills needed to perform a server migration. Of those two or three people, zero are willing to take the initiative and actually do it. OK, so how about we hire someone instead of relying on volunteers? The only person with the authority to hire someone "with those common skills willing to do a server migration" is Adrian Bowyer, and he has shown no interest in taking the initiative to do this. So is it really still that difficult to believe?Quote
vreihen
I find it difficult to believe that you can't find anyone with those common skills willing to do a server migration.
The topic came up six months ago and promptly fizzled out in a puff of indecision. The reprap admin list has been silent ever since. So don't expect this to happen anytime soon.Quote
dc42
I hope someone can be found to manage the server migration.
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 24, 2015 05:43AM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 24, 2015 06:06AM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 24, 2015 07:15AM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 24, 2015 12:02PM |
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This sounds like a fine idea, but it does not get around the critical problem we have. In order for this idea (or any idea) to workQuote
vreihen
how about paying the Phorum developers to host it?
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 24, 2015 12:06PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 25, 2015 02:50AM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 25, 2015 02:39PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 26, 2015 12:40PM |
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There is a little information on the server in this thread.Quote
thetazzbot
is it an all in one box?
If you contact Traumflug he might set you up with access.Quote
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if I can contribute in any way, please let me know
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 26, 2015 07:02PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! August 31, 2015 06:44AM |
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One of the things vreihen suggested was to get the Phorum people to host it. That would imply a move, rather than an upgrade, which would mean that DNS would have to change.
The issue is getting people who have the time to admin the setup. The current people are time-poor, going by everything mentioned in this thread, which does make the idea of having the Phorum people host it attractive, as then the existing admin team can spend more of their available time working on other things.
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! September 23, 2015 12:45PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! December 19, 2015 04:37PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! December 20, 2015 12:13PM |
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... for longer posts I'm writing them in a text editor for spellcecking and to have a 'backup' in case of a forums error ... this hit me several times in other forums too
It didn't work!
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! January 12, 2016 04:22PM |
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8. Anything else that you have thought of and that I have missed...
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! April 05, 2016 06:13PM |
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Here is a list of the characteristics that I think a solution should have:
1. Continuity - the existing content should be preserved and then new content will be added to it.
2. Continuity - the existing users should automatically have accounts on the new system (maybe with a password reset...).
3. The new system should first appear (as reprap-new.org) with ephemeral content as a sandbox for users to try out.
3. Published agreed deadlines. Thus on date D the old system would go read-only; on D+3 (o.w.e.) the new system would be up as reprap.org with all the old content and be read-only; on D+5 the new system would become writable - that sort of thing.
4. When the new system becomes reprap.org we keep the old read-only system for quite a while as reprap-old.org.
5. Sysadmins should maintain a duty rota so that each of them does not get overloaded and so that there's always a competent person nominated for each day to fix things.
6. Sysadmins should get paid.
7. The people who do the migration (who may not all be the regular sysadmins) should get paid.
8. Anything else that you have thought of and that I have missed...
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! April 06, 2016 02:56PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! April 06, 2016 03:44PM |
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For monitoring, there's Munin running: [reprap.org]
While Phorum is indeed no longer under active development, it still works fairly well. Last time I looked at PhpBB it was a really huge piece of software with all kinds of features imaginable, needed or not. Very likely it increases server load a lot. Also not sure how users like such a loaded user interface.
Doing incremental changes is indeed an excellent idea, here I agree 100%.
Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! April 18, 2016 07:05PM |
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Re: Forum is becoming UNUSABLE - something must be done! April 21, 2016 09:15PM |
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As for phpBB,
The problem with phpBB is that while it works, it's not really better for administration than Phorum.
Many times in the past, Captcha support has broken (automatically allowing people to register) or methods for bypassing it have been found rendering it useless. Add that to the regular case of the Captcha systems being broken (whether through brute-force, or by handing off to cheap humans for processing) and spammers will still get through.
At that point, you really need decent admin tools to clean things up, and phpBB IMO is not up to the job. The amount of admin work needed to run a popular phpBB forum is quite high, much more than Phorum.
I'm not saying phpBB can't be made to work, but it does require a fair bit of admin legwork, which imposes heavily on the time any admins have.
I'm also not saying don't move away from Phorum. Just choose your options wisely with a bit of forethought rather than just "Well, they use it, it must be good!" thinking.