Some filaments just won't stick... January 27, 2015 01:40PM |
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Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 27, 2015 03:39PM |
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I tend to keep with what works, [www.filamentprint.com] is the site which is printed on the reels that the printer came with and I buy from them, you can also get the same reels from RS Components [uk.rs-online.com]
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 27, 2015 03:44PM |
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I tend to keep with what works, [www.filamentprint.com] is the site which is printed on the reels that the printer came with and I buy from them, you can also get the same reels from RS Components [uk.rs-online.com]
Good Lord that is ridiculously expensive filament! [www.filamentprint.com] quotes £19.14 for 100m of "Ormerod" PLA which works out as £63.16 per kg, and RS is even more expensive. I tried looking at their "generic" filament, but it does not have any prices quoted, and when trying to "add to basket" to find out the cost I get a 404 error. Most other pages display as "Coming Soon."
I buy from www.3dfilaprint.com which currently charges £26.50 for 1kg of either PLA or ABS (less than half the price) - and I have never had any problems with their material, which comes vacuum-sealed with an empty ziplock bag and silica gel to store the reel after opening, and often an added freebie of some sort, plus they have a huge range of not only PLA and ABS but also many other materials - that you can order right now delivered within 2 to 3 days rather than "coming soon". I'm sure there are other equally good stores, but that's the only one I have used (for over a year) and have had no complaints at all.
(A kilogram of 1.75mm PLA is about 330 meters, and a kilogram of ABS is about 400 meters).
Dave
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 27, 2015 03:49PM |
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To be fair I've only bought a black and a second white. They are the same size spools that come with the Ormerod and come in a sealed bag as well. I work at RS so I get them for £13 a spool :-)
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 27, 2015 03:54PM |
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To be fair I've only bought a black and a second white. They are the same size spools that come with the Ormerod and come in a sealed bag as well. I work at RS so I get them for £13 a spool :-)
In fact I inadvertently quoted the price of the special colours at 3dfilaprint, their normal filament is even cheaper (I have edited my post to reflect that). Even with your discount you are paying 30% more, and I seriously doubt that the quality is any better.
Dave
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Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 04:57AM |
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Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 05:14AM |
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Thanks everyone
The filament I have that I am struggling with is from www.3dfilaprint.com, so it's interesting to hear that dmould has no problems with it. I wonder what I am doing differently. I'm very happy with their service and their prices, just struggling with getting the filament to print.
Like dc42, I find that "good" filament will stick to plain glass, while "tricky" filament will barely work even on kapton. I've not tried the PVA glue wipe method, but I will!
I agree that the original Ormerod PLA is expensive - but if it saves on frustration and wasted prints/false starts it might be worth it. If I could find another supplier that works as well but at a more realistic price I'd be happy. The sainsmart filament I got from amazon is also very reliable but doesn't seem to be available any more.
I'll give the Galactic Warehouse a try.
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 05:54AM |
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Thanks everyone
The filament I have that I am struggling with is from www.3dfilaprint.com, so it's interesting to hear that dmould has no problems with it. I wonder what I am doing differently. I'm very happy with their service and their prices, just struggling with getting the filament to print.
Like dc42, I find that "good" filament will stick to plain glass, while "tricky" filament will barely work even on kapton. I've not tried the PVA glue wipe method, but I will!
I agree that the original Ormerod PLA is expensive - but if it saves on frustration and wasted prints/false starts it might be worth it. If I could find another supplier that works as well but at a more realistic price I'd be happy. The sainsmart filament I got from amazon is also very reliable but doesn't seem to be available any more.
I'll give the Galactic Warehouse a try.
I have started using ESUN Filaments lately which appear to be excellent price varies a lot depending on exchange rate but got last batch for around £10 per Kg from of all place a RC Models supplier uk stock now as well so arrived in around 4 days from order
www.hobbyking.co.uk
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 06:20AM |
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Thanks everyone
The filament I have that I am struggling with is from www.3dfilaprint.com, so it's interesting to hear that dmould has no problems with it. I wonder what I am doing differently. I'm very happy with their service and their prices, just struggling with getting the filament to print.
Like dc42, I find that "good" filament will stick to plain glass, while "tricky" filament will barely work even on kapton. I've not tried the PVA glue wipe method, but I will!
I agree that the original Ormerod PLA is expensive - but if it saves on frustration and wasted prints/false starts it might be worth it. If I could find another supplier that works as well but at a more realistic price I'd be happy. The sainsmart filament I got from amazon is also very reliable but doesn't seem to be available any more.
I'll give the Galactic Warehouse a try.
I have started using ESUN Filaments lately which appear to be excellent price varies a lot depending on exchange rate but got last batch for around £10 per Kg from of all place a RC Models supplier uk stock now as well so arrived in around 4 days from order
www.hobbyking.co.uk
Yep, I still have a couple of ESUN Abs spools left too. They're fairly cheap and have a consistent diameter, but unfortunately my supplier Multec.de doesn't offer them any more. Now I use filament by Futuraform, which isn't bad either, but it's definitely more expensive (30eu for 750g). At least I can source this one directly from a local 3D print shop and don't need to wait when I need it
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 08:57AM |
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rkc
Thanks everyone
The filament I have that I am struggling with is from www.3dfilaprint.com, so it's interesting to hear that dmould has no problems with it. I wonder what I am doing differently. I'm very happy with their service and their prices, just struggling with getting the filament to print.
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 12:12PM |
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Thanks everyone
The filament I have that I am struggling with is from www.3dfilaprint.com, so it's interesting to hear that dmould has no problems with it. I wonder what I am doing differently. I'm very happy with their service and their prices, just struggling with getting the filament to print.
I only print in ABS, but found that quality was good so assumed the PLA they sold would also be quality stuff. Bear in mind that different colours can have different characteristics because the colorant affects the properties to an extent. You could try changing the hotend temperature. I use ABS slurry on my print bed, but as said that's with ABS filament. Given the huge (nearly 4X) price difference it could be worthwhile spending a little time trying to overcome the first layer adhesion issue so long as the filament is otherwise satisfactory. You only have to discover the solution once!
Dave
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 02:11PM |
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Thanks everyone
The filament I have that I am struggling with is from www.3dfilaprint.com, so it's interesting to hear that dmould has no problems with it. I wonder what I am doing differently. I'm very happy with their service and their prices, just struggling with getting the filament to print.
I only print in ABS, but found that quality was good so assumed the PLA they sold would also be quality stuff. Bear in mind that different colours can have different characteristics because the colorant affects the properties to an extent. You could try changing the hotend temperature. I use ABS slurry on my print bed, but as said that's with ABS filament. Given the huge (nearly 4X) price difference it could be worthwhile spending a little time trying to overcome the first layer adhesion issue so long as the filament is otherwise satisfactory. You only have to discover the solution once!
Dave
I agree - I'd love to find a solution to get this filament printing - not least because I have 3kg of it. I had hoped it was colourant-related, but I seem to have similar issues on both read and white (not tried the roll of black I have from them yet).
Other than using PVA glue, and getting the Z=0 height just right. are there any settings that are likely to help. I have played with various hotend temperatures (and bed temperatures) but not noticed much difference.
Richard
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Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 03:43PM |
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I have also read that giving the Kapton tape a light sanding with fine emery paper works well.
Dave
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 04:56PM |
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Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 28, 2015 08:27PM |
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I agree - I'd love to find a solution to get this filament printing - not least because I have 3kg of it. I had hoped it was colourant-related, but I seem to have similar issues on both read and white (not tried the roll of black I have from them yet).
Other than using PVA glue, and getting the Z=0 height just right. are there any settings that are likely to help. I have played with various hotend temperatures (and bed temperatures) but not noticed much difference.
Richard
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 29, 2015 04:08AM |
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I find the keep the kapton clean (I wipe it down with Acetone between each print) and use a bed temp of 65 with nozzle at 185 works for me every time.
Doug.
ps kapton is one piece on glass (ie 200mm wide roll)
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 29, 2015 10:50AM |
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I find the keep the kapton clean (I wipe it down with Acetone between each print) and use a bed temp of 65 with nozzle at 185 works for me every time.
Doug.
ps kapton is one piece on glass (ie 200mm wide roll)
All I do with mine is lift the z up to 30 and heat the bed. Give it a wipe with a piece of kitchen roll once up to temp them home all axis then print. Since build I've had 2 failed prints but only because the bearing on the x carriage came loose.
Where did you get the 200mm kapton tape?
Re: Some filaments just won't stick... January 29, 2015 01:26PM |
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I find the keep the kapton clean (I wipe it down with Acetone between each print) and use a bed temp of 65 with nozzle at 185 works for me every time.
Doug.
ps kapton is one piece on glass (ie 200mm wide roll)
All I do with mine is lift the z up to 30 and heat the bed. Give it a wipe with a piece of kitchen roll once up to temp them home all axis then print. Since build I've had 2 failed prints but only because the bearing on the x carriage came loose.
Where did you get the 200mm kapton tape?
Various places do it but try wedo3dprinting.com it's £20.90 for 200mm wide rolls.
Doug
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