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Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 25, 2016 11:03AM |
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Just ordered this to stick it on with, though I cannot find any temperature information, so I'll have to find out how well it is going to survive ABS bed temperatures!
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Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 25, 2016 04:18PM |
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Just ordered this to stick it on with, though I cannot find any temperature information, so I'll have to find out how well it is going to survive ABS bed temperatures!
[www.amazon.co.uk]
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Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 26, 2016 07:49AM |
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Just ordered this to stick it on with, though I cannot find any temperature information, so I'll have to find out how well it is going to survive ABS bed temperatures!
[www.amazon.co.uk]
Dave
Dave go to Stickytapes.com web site and look for 3m8153 use discount code sticky25 for a 25% discount 8153 is a step or 2 up from 468 which is up from 467.
Be warned it is gossamer thin and sticks like the proverbial Sxxx to a Blanket make sure both surfaces are very clean I used acetone on both and a credit card to smooth it all out is also usefull and don't forget to heat cycle it before trying to print think I gave mine 2 cycles but might have been 3 and mine has discoloured slightly which is what is expected.
There is a good instruction sheet on their webpage.
Doug
Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 26, 2016 08:20AM |
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dmould
Just ordered this to stick it on with, though I cannot find any temperature information, so I'll have to find out how well it is going to survive ABS bed temperatures!
[www.amazon.co.uk]
Dave
Dave go to Stickytapes.com web site and look for 3m8153 use discount code sticky25 for a 25% discount 8153 is a step or 2 up from 468 which is up from 467.
Be warned it is gossamer thin and sticks like the proverbial Sxxx to a Blanket make sure both surfaces are very clean I used acetone on both and a credit card to smooth it all out is also usefull and don't forget to heat cycle it before trying to print think I gave mine 2 cycles but might have been 3 and mine has discoloured slightly which is what is expected.
There is a good instruction sheet on their webpage.
Doug
Couldn't find that product on that site, but it caused me to look at the 3M web site that has product datasheets. The product you recommend (8153) is in the same family and uses exactly the same adhesive (acrylic 300LSE) as the product I bought (8071). While the 3M site strangely does not list the 8071 product, the main differences AFAICS between the various products in this category is the substrate thickness, the format (tape or sheet) and the type of liner (the backing film that you remove and discard). AFAICS the substrate thickness should not be important so long as it is thinner than about 0.2mm (i.e. not foam), and the type of backing material is irrelevant to us. The datasheet from 3M ( [multimedia.3m.com] ) seems to apply to all double-sided tape products that use that adhesive, and quotes a long-term max temperature of 93 deg C and a short term (minutes, hours) max temperature of 149 deg C, so all the recommended tapes that use that adhesive are possibly a little under-rated for this application, though as we do not require a particularly high bond strength I suspect it will be adequate and that appears to be confirmed by people using such tapes with no issues.
As I probably won't get another product delivered before the weekend, I'll therefore take a chance and go ahead with the one I bought. The risk AFAICS is in the tape failing prematurely (which should be obvious) rather than it causing any differences with the print - I don't see that there will be any appreciable temperature drop across the tape.
Dave
Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 26, 2016 08:46AM |
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Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 28, 2016 08:17PM |
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dmould
Just ordered this to stick it on with, though I cannot find any temperature information, so I'll have to find out how well it is going to survive ABS bed temperatures!
[www.amazon.co.uk]
Dave
Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 29, 2016 11:43AM |
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Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 29, 2016 12:23PM |
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For PLA it works quite good, but I still have trouble with little warping with PLA.
For ABS it works with the above settings and nearly no warping.
You need high temperatures especially for the first layer.
It is based on FR4, but the sticking is much better.
PrintBite is robust but very sensitive regarding the cleaner you use. Probably I have destroyed one, but it was not mentioned that you are not allowed to use special industrial cleaners. Only pure glass cleaner and Acetone seems to be okay.
However in Germany there is a surface called FilaPrint. As far as I know this surface should work better and gives a shiny surface without structures, but the price is nearly twice.
I think think I will give it a try next month.
Hello Treito,
not only you have problems with it. in the German groups more and more Users got troubles. The surface seems to get micro cracks after several month. im pretty shure you can see it under a microscope.
I know a handfull of people that have same issues now after less than 5 month, many removed it.
Same will happen with FR4 after few month, also dont forget, FR4 is not healthy when heated. It is Epoxy.
Compared to any other printsurface i have tested, FilaPrint will last easily 5 years and is safe. We have printed more than a ton of mixed filament on one single FilaPrint. No cleaning necessary at all. Even Polycarbonate is printable and most other filaments too.
Good products will always establish earlier or later. We started 2013 selling FilaPrint.
You can be ashure. once i have a better surface in my hands of course i will setup our printers with it and offer a new better product.
But after 5 years i can guarantee - there is no.
best
Daniel
Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 29, 2016 02:11PM |
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Re: Maximum temperature for PTFE-liner? May 29, 2016 02:32PM |
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Jason I don't think that this is the right place and the right content to publish here.
If you have personally problems with him so talk with him and only with him.
Your text isn't showing a good behaviour for a sales man and now I don't want to see anything like this here in the misleaded thread.
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My main problem is not the warping. It's the less stickiness. BuildTak. Kapton tape and FilaPrint do a much better job.
To be fair: It seems that there was recently a change of the production process (I can imagine what it is) and I will get a new sheet for testing purposes the next days.
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Jason I don't think that this is the right place and the right content to publish here.
If you have personally problems with him so talk with him and only with him.
Your text isn't showing a good behaviour for a sales man and now I don't want to see anything like this here in the misleaded thread.
Discussion closed.
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