Z axis Skipping and droping
June 22, 2016 03:39AM
Hello all, this is my first post on a forum, so I am excited. I do have a question though. I had my Smartrap Core (wood) running, and I was cranking out Yodas left and right for testing and giveaways when friends came over to see the movie, then all of a sudden the Z axis dropped a little on a print, and I have not been able to print a complete model since. It keeps dropping in essentially the same place every time. I did go through and inspect my z belt, and made sure that I had the proper current going to the motors. I cannot think of what may have caused this between when it was running, and now. If anyone could offer suggestions I would greatly appreciate it. This is my first 3d printer build, so I consider myself a newbie on this subject.
Re: Z axis Skipping and droping
June 22, 2016 08:03AM
Hello there,

I'm quite a newbie myself, I'm at my second smartrapcore so I'd like to take a chance and help you with this.

1. When the current is off, can you move your bed up and down slowly without any resistance? I have found myself overtighting the bearings on the zslide a bit, so it created a resistance on the rods. Also, check the z rods for any irregularities.

2. How did you check the current and know that it is proper? Might be helpful to up/down the current a bit. If your motor gets hot, down it a bit. If not, up it a bit.

Hope these questions will help you a bit to look in the right direction.

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Hello all, this is my first post on a forum, so I am excited. I do have a question though. I had my Smartrap Core (wood) running, and I was cranking out Yodas left and right for testing and giveaways when friends came over to see the movie, then all of a sudden the Z axis dropped a little on a print, and I have not been able to print a complete model since. It keeps dropping in essentially the same place every time. I did go through and inspect my z belt, and made sure that I had the proper current going to the motors. I cannot think of what may have caused this between when it was running, and now. If anyone could offer suggestions I would greatly appreciate it. This is my first 3d printer build, so I consider myself a newbie on this subject.[/quote]
Re: Z axis Skipping and droping
June 22, 2016 09:25AM
Welcome. Tricky one as motor current, motor cabling, belts all spring to mind. Could be a slicer error, I only say this as yesterday my Scalu printed a model with 0 infill despite me slicing it with 15%.

At what z height does it happen and is it repeatable? Does the z axis move smoothly through this position or is it stiction in the rods/bearings overcoming the motor torque at this point.


Simon.

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Re: Z axis Skipping and droping
June 22, 2016 12:26PM
Thank you all for your responses. I feel it first happened on the yoda in the picture on the right with his head, but ever since then it has been roughly in the same spot. I did not change the file, and in fact did a different yoda model and it still dies at the same spot. to me it seems that the belt has an issue, but when I home the printer it works just fine. Would the driver have issues? I was running it before I tuned them, but they did not seem hot. I will check the rods and belt tension. If anything the belt may have a little more play in it than I feel is good. I'll have my fiance do that, she has tiny hands opposed to my hands...

As far as the current, I adjusted the POT on the driver to change the reference voltage, and then check it with the multi-meter. For my drivers the equation is Current Limit = VREF × 2.5. I read the Vref at .675, so my current limit is 1.7. The max for the A4988 is 2A, and the motors are running at 1.7A. I thought this was high, but I tested the temp on the heatsinks, and they were cool. Do I need to crank down the Voltage since the since it is above the constant current of 1A?

Thanks for all of your help.
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Re: Z axis Skipping and droping
June 22, 2016 02:37PM
I had a similar problem when I was first getting the Smartrapcore ALU version working, the bolt that was on the Z axis that was used to tension the belt made itself a hole through the belt. It would work for homing, but as soon as it got any amount of weight on the bed plate, the screw would pop through the belt causing a slack belt and dropping the bed slightly. I ended up just using a ziptie to tension the belt against the Z axis bracket holes and its been good for mine since.

I've also seen several people talk about the driver board chips release any heat through the bottom of the chip and not the top between the chip and the PCB, so the provided heatsinks aren't going to be of any use. They also go onto to explain, the PCB underneath the chip really isn't large enough to cool the chips when they do get hot.

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Re: Z axis Skipping and droping
June 28, 2016 12:13AM
I had a similar problem when I was first getting the Smartrapcore ALU version working, the bolt that was on the Z axis that was used to tension the belt made itself a hole through the belt. It would work for homing, but as soon as it got any amount of weight on the bed plate, the screw would pop through the belt causing a slack belt and dropping the bed slightly. I ended up just using a ziptie to tension the belt against the Z axis bracket holes and its been good for mine since.

I think this was the trick. I thought I had the belt tensioned enough, but it looks like the belt could do a little more. My fiance with smaller hands than my clubs was able to move the belt up one more tooth and that worked. It is amain what one tooth can do. Thanks everyone for their responses. I greatly appreciate it from a newbie on 3d printing...
Re: Z axis Skipping and droping
June 28, 2016 06:39AM
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PDBeal
I've also seen several people talk about the driver board chips release any heat through the bottom of the chip and not the top between the chip and the PCB, so the provided heatsinks aren't going to be of any use. They also go onto to explain, the PCB underneath the chip really isn't large enough to cool the chips when they do get hot.

I'd position a permanently on fan over the ramps board to cover the stepper drivers and maybe a second (or box in the ramps/mega and have air flow through) over the mosfets if using them to control a heated bed.


Simon.

[www.precisionpiezo.co.uk] Accurate, repeatable, versatile z-probe plus piezo discs, endstop cables, pt100, 50w heaters. PT1000 cartridge sensors plug straight into duet boards and others.
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