Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 21, 2015 04:42AM |
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Yeah, it's been 45 min. and it's just now reacing 105C. Previous high temp was about 85C with a piece of cardboard on top so, this is real progress. I replaced the 16 (?) gauge wire to the bed with 14 gauge copper stranded and insulated the back side of the bed with aprox. 1/8" cork. Wooohoooo ! Just checked and the bed temp is now at 107C. I forgot to cover it with tape so it may do better once I cool it down and apply the masking tape.
What's this about a seperate power supply and relay for the bed? I have a few very good switching PS that came out of servers (12v 1500 watt 46 amp}. What do I need to do to rig it up to the bed? Got a sketch of the hook up?
Garry
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 21, 2015 07:03AM |
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Hi all,
I have had the Migbot Prusa i3 for a week now and all had seemed well. I only just found out when printing a size specific part that the z axis has been 1 mm shorter for all my prints. I had loaded the auto bed levelling firmware on the board from a GitHub repository I found (containing the build instructions and software) and all seemed to work well. Bed levelling was working, X and Y are perfectly calibrated but Z it cutting all builds by 1mm. It isn't just a 1mm off the top, but it seems that the entire object has been shrunk. I have tried using different slicers without success. I have used Astroprint (as a primary running Slic3r) and the migbot software (cura) but they don't work. I'm about to try Cura on astroprint and will report is any success. When I manually move the z axis (from within astroprint) it aligns perfectly but when in a print all seems squished. I have aligned the print bed and extruder mulipul times (I will make it higher to see if that fixes it).
Meanwhile if anyone knows what the problem may be please help.
Jed
calculate the steps per mm for the z axis.
expected mm/ observed mm * current steps/mm = new steps/mm
in your case this would be
20/19= 1.05236
multiply 1.05236 * current steps ( the default current steps is 400 so 400 * 10.5236 = 421.05263) put the new value in #define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT
my settings are
#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT {80.50299,80.38040,402.2293125,97.66329} // (X,Y,Z,E)
// changed to 402.2293125 09/28/2015
#define DEFAULT_AXIS_STEPS_PER_UNIT {80,80,398.269957,94.4962144}
I use the YACO calibration object it is 60mm in all directions and will make your measurements more accurate. I have attached the YACO instructions, Google YACO.stl to get the file, it is too big to attach.
Ok so I just finished the YACO print on draft quality (0.3mm layer height) and measured at X - 60, Y - 60, Z - 59. So according the model provided by gwc2795 (expected mm/ observed mm * current steps/mm = new steps/mm) 60/59 * 400 = 406.779661017. I shall try this number is the config tomorrow. However I really do need to get a digital caliper as currently I only have an old plastic one with the numbers marked as a ruler along the sides.
Thanks to all who have helped so far and I shall update sometime tomorrow.
Jed
G21 ; mm M300 S700 P200 M300 S700 P200 G90; Absolute Pos M107; Fan off M92 Y79.93338884 Z403.4390195 M117 Levleing... G28; home all G29; auto level M117 Preparing... G1 Z20 M117 Heating... M190 S[first_layer_bed_temperature]; Set Bed Temp M109 S[first_layer_temperature_0] T0; set nozzle heater to first layer temperature M117 Preparing to Start G92 E0 ; Zero Extruder G1 Z0.3 ; move z to 0.3mm to avoid scraping bed G1 Z1 ; lift nozzle to 1 mm ready to begin main sequence G92 E0 ; zero extruder length ;Put printing message on LCD screen M117 Printing...End GCODE
M104 S0 M140 S0 G91 G1 E-1 F300 G1 Z+0.5 E-5 X-20 Y+200 F{travel_speed} G28 X0 M84 G90 M117 Print Done! M300 S700 P500 M300 S700 P500 M300 S700 P500
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 21, 2015 03:42PM |
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Marty77
@ Daniel
hi there - I am a total newbie to 3D printing as well - with the same machine - same board
I am on a Mac but I think PC should be the same - I installed a FTDI Driver - its a VPC Virual Com Port Driver from [www.ftdichip.com]
that should provide you whith USB Serial Driver via which you can connect to the Arduino aka MKS Board
Select in the Arduino IDE (also downloadable) your Board - Arduino Mega 2560 - selct the virtual USB port and you should have a connection to the MKS
via that you tweak your firmware
Repetier Host the same - just select the driver - connect to printer - should have manual controll to the printer and should be also able to send G-Code for your first print - yeahhhhhhh
Its a lot of reading getting into that - Chinese product ;-) stay in this forum - these people here know a lot about that machine
Have fun
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 21, 2015 04:28PM |
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Yeah, it's been 45 min. and it's just now reacing 105C. Previous high temp was about 85C with a piece of cardboard on top so, this is real progress. I replaced the 16 (?) gauge wire to the bed with 14 gauge copper stranded and insulated the back side of the bed with aprox. 1/8" cork. Wooohoooo ! Just checked and the bed temp is now at 107C. I forgot to cover it with tape so it may do better once I cool it down and apply the masking tape.
What's this about a seperate power supply and relay for the bed? I have a few very good switching PS that came out of servers (12v 1500 watt 46 amp}. What do I need to do to rig it up to the bed? Got a sketch of the hook up?
Garry
You'll need a DC-DC Solid state relay, something along the lines of a SSR-25 DD. Then wire it up like this
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 21, 2015 07:57PM |
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rowdyjoe
Another issue ....I can't get the extruder nozzel at the correct height for printing. Last couple of attempts at printing the test cube failed because the nozzle dug into the tape on the bed. I had manually leveled the bed but, when it began printing the nozzle was too close to the bed.
How do I fix this problem?
I have a feeling I'm missing something in the calibration of the 3 steppers. Park seems to work OK but, "home" is not so good as the print nozzle ends up off the top left corner of the bed and the bed is fully retracted. Where should they be positioned for Home, Park, etc.?
Firmware is Malin and software is Repetier Host.
Garry
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 21, 2015 09:13PM |
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Another issue ....I can't get the extruder nozzel at the correct height for printing. Last couple of attempts at printing the test cube failed because the nozzle dug into the tape on the bed. I had manually leveled the bed but, when it began printing the nozzle was too close to the bed.
How do I fix this problem?
I have a feeling I'm missing something in the calibration of the 3 steppers. Park seems to work OK but, "home" is not so good as the print nozzle ends up off the top left corner of the bed and the bed is fully retracted. Where should they be positioned for Home, Park, etc.?
Firmware is Malin and software is Repetier Host.
Garry
Do you have the Autolevel Sensor?? If so, what I did, was put the throat of the hotend level with mounting block. Then take a piece of thin cardboard (I use a flap from a box of screws) and place it under the hot end Move the Z axis down until you get just a little bit of friction on the cardboard. Adjust the sensor so the light barely comes on. Once you get it printing decent pint this Adjustable sensor mount and you can fine tune it. This is what works for me, and my prints are beautiful.
I have never really LEVELED my bed properly (ADD kicks in to early to finish it) and I have never had an issue.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 21, 2015 09:46PM |
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Yeah, it's been 45 min. and it's just now reacing 105C. Previous high temp was about 85C with a piece of cardboard on top so, this is real progress. I replaced the 16 (?) gauge wire to the bed with 14 gauge copper stranded and insulated the back side of the bed with aprox. 1/8" cork. Wooohoooo ! Just checked and the bed temp is now at 107C. I forgot to cover it with tape so it may do better once I cool it down and apply the masking tape.
What's this about a seperate power supply and relay for the bed? I have a few very good switching PS that came out of servers (12v 1500 watt 46 amp}. What do I need to do to rig it up to the bed? Got a sketch of the hook up?
Garry
You'll need a DC-DC Solid state relay, something along the lines of a SSR-25 DD. Then wire it up like this
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 22, 2015 05:43AM |
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Yeah, it's been 45 min. and it's just now reacing 105C. Previous high temp was about 85C with a piece of cardboard on top so, this is real progress. I replaced the 16 (?) gauge wire to the bed with 14 gauge copper stranded and insulated the back side of the bed with aprox. 1/8" cork. Wooohoooo ! Just checked and the bed temp is now at 107C. I forgot to cover it with tape so it may do better once I cool it down and apply the masking tape.
What's this about a seperate power supply and relay for the bed? I have a few very good switching PS that came out of servers (12v 1500 watt 46 amp}. What do I need to do to rig it up to the bed? Got a sketch of the hook up?
Garry
You'll need a DC-DC Solid state relay, something along the lines of a SSR-25 DD. Then wire it up like this
Once I get this rigged up, how do I control the temperature of the bed?
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 22, 2015 07:39AM |
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Yeah, it's been 45 min. and it's just now reacing 105C. Previous high temp was about 85C with a piece of cardboard on top so, this is real progress. I replaced the 16 (?) gauge wire to the bed with 14 gauge copper stranded and insulated the back side of the bed with aprox. 1/8" cork. Wooohoooo ! Just checked and the bed temp is now at 107C. I forgot to cover it with tape so it may do better once I cool it down and apply the masking tape.
What's this about a seperate power supply and relay for the bed? I have a few very good switching PS that came out of servers (12v 1500 watt 46 amp}. What do I need to do to rig it up to the bed? Got a sketch of the hook up?
Garry
You'll need a DC-DC Solid state relay, something along the lines of a SSR-25 DD. Then wire it up like this
Once I get this rigged up, how do I control the temperature of the bed?
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 22, 2015 08:03AM |
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rowdyjoe
Another issue ....I can't get the extruder nozzel at the correct height for printing. Last couple of attempts at printing the test cube failed because the nozzle dug into the tape on the bed. I had manually leveled the bed but, when it began printing the nozzle was too close to the bed.
How do I fix this problem?
I have a feeling I'm missing something in the calibration of the 3 steppers. Park seems to work OK but, "home" is not so good as the print nozzle ends up off the top left corner of the bed and the bed is fully retracted. Where should they be positioned for Home, Park, etc.?
Firmware is Malin and software is Repetier Host.
Garry
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 23, 2015 02:20PM |
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Yeah, it's been 45 min. and it's just now reacing 105C. Previous high temp was about 85C with a piece of cardboard on top so, this is real progress. I replaced the 16 (?) gauge wire to the bed with 14 gauge copper stranded and insulated the back side of the bed with aprox. 1/8" cork. Wooohoooo ! Just checked and the bed temp is now at 107C. I forgot to cover it with tape so it may do better once I cool it down and apply the masking tape.
What's this about a seperate power supply and relay for the bed? I have a few very good switching PS that came out of servers (12v 1500 watt 46 amp}. What do I need to do to rig it up to the bed? Got a sketch of the hook up?
Garry
You'll need a DC-DC Solid state relay, something along the lines of a SSR-25 DD. Then wire it up like this
Once I get this rigged up, how do I control the temperature of the bed?
Remove the 2 wires going to the bed heater from the controller board. Run 2 wires from the location you disconnected the bed heater wires to the SSR-DD (be sure to observe polarity on the input to the SSR). Connect one of the bed heater wires to the power supply +12V, connect the other wire to the + side of the number 2 screw on the SSR (it will be labeled +) Run a wire from number 1 screw on the SSR (it will be labeled -) to the negative side of the power supply. You will be ready to heat the bed.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 23, 2015 02:25PM |
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Another issue ....I can't get the extruder nozzel at the correct height for printing. Last couple of attempts at printing the test cube failed because the nozzle dug into the tape on the bed. I had manually leveled the bed but, when it began printing the nozzle was too close to the bed.
How do I fix this problem?
I have a feeling I'm missing something in the calibration of the 3 steppers. Park seems to work OK but, "home" is not so good as the print nozzle ends up off the top left corner of the bed and the bed is fully retracted. Where should they be positioned for Home, Park, etc.?
Firmware is Malin and software is Repetier Host.
Garry
Home is meant to do that. If you're manually levelling the bed, then you're not getting it right, assuming you have the correct firmware version. I'd personally re-flash the correct firmware to make sure, links are over on the Migbot wiki page, then try again. If it still does it, try less and less drag on the paper until it's right, there's a knack to it which no-one can really teach you how to do and you have to learn what is right and wrong, and this varies from printer to printer, eg, what's right on my CTC/Flashforge Replicator X Pro, isn't the same for the Migbots. Keep at it and you'll get it right.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 24, 2015 06:20AM |
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I had a similar frustration with the auto bed leveling (I carved all kinds of images in the bed). This is the correct (for me) line from configuration.h fileQuote
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rowdyjoe
Another issue ....I can't get the extruder nozzel at the correct height for printing. Last couple of attempts at printing the test cube failed because the nozzle dug into the tape on the bed. I had manually leveled the bed but, when it began printing the nozzle was too close to the bed.
How do I fix this problem?
I have a feeling I'm missing something in the calibration of the 3 steppers. Park seems to work OK but, "home" is not so good as the print nozzle ends up off the top left corner of the bed and the bed is fully retracted. Where should they be positioned for Home, Park, etc.?
Firmware is Malin and software is Repetier Host.
Garry
Home is meant to do that. If you're manually levelling the bed, then you're not getting it right, assuming you have the correct firmware version. I'd personally re-flash the correct firmware to make sure, links are over on the Migbot wiki page, then try again. If it still does it, try less and less drag on the paper until it's right, there's a knack to it which no-one can really teach you how to do and you have to learn what is right and wrong, and this varies from printer to printer, eg, what's right on my CTC/Flashforge Replicator X Pro, isn't the same for the Migbots. Keep at it and you'll get it right.
Thanks again. Sometimes I think I'm going crazy. I keep trying the same things over and over and expecting different results. I'll re-flash Marlin and try again.
I tried changing the nozzle height in the G code and that seemed to help ...a little. The nozzle still touched the tape but, it didn't rip it off the bed. However, I doubt the fix will be found there. I need to get it right.
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 27, 2015 03:57PM |
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worthidlj
Hi Folks,
I've had help from members before in setting up my printer (large bed version, MKS 1.3 Board) and I had it working for a while and made a few decent prints.
However I had a go at configuring the step counts of the motors using the YACO print file and updated the configuration.h file and uploaded it through Arduino.
Since then whenever I turned the printer on I could turn on the bed and extruder, but whenever I press the 'Home' function in repetier-host the motors would create
travel of 10-20mm and stop without coming into contact with anything even though the M119 code shows that the limit switches are okay and working.
I have noticed though that when jogging the motors that they will move one way but not the other?!
I have noticed in the log that it comes up with a line saying 'Printer Error: In dry-run mode until restart!'
I have restarted and the message still comes up; I've even been so far as to wipe the printer and repetier from my laptop and re-install them but to no avail.
Any ideas as to how I've fubared this and how to fix it would be greatly appreciated. (I had a look through the thread but couldn't find anything like this).
Cheers,
David
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 27, 2015 04:01PM |
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veaceonee
Was messing around, and the printer kept over temping. I think the temps were a little low for it, what do you think?
Hotend overtemps at 250
Bed overtemps at 70
That doesnt seem right, how can I fix this?
#define HEATER_0_MAXTEMP 265 #define HEATER_1_MAXTEMP 275 #define HEATER_2_MAXTEMP 275 #define BED_MAXTEMP 130
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 27, 2015 05:29PM |
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Was messing around, and the printer kept over temping. I think the temps were a little low for it, what do you think?
Hotend overtemps at 250
Bed overtemps at 70
That doesnt seem right, how can I fix this?
You can change that in the firmware. Look for the following in configuration.h:
#define HEATER_0_MAXTEMP 265 #define HEATER_1_MAXTEMP 275 #define HEATER_2_MAXTEMP 275 #define BED_MAXTEMP 130
This is directly from my Migbot firmware copy. I wouldn't go over 265 as it'll kill the PTFE liner in the hotend.
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worthidlj
Hi Folks,
I've had help from members before in setting up my printer (large bed version, MKS 1.3 Board) and I had it working for a while and made a few decent prints.
However I had a go at configuring the step counts of the motors using the YACO print file and updated the configuration.h file and uploaded it through Arduino.
Since then whenever I turned the printer on I could turn on the bed and extruder, but whenever I press the 'Home' function in repetier-host the motors would create
travel of 10-20mm and stop without coming into contact with anything even though the M119 code shows that the limit switches are okay and working.
I have noticed though that when jogging the motors that they will move one way but not the other?!
I have noticed in the log that it comes up with a line saying 'Printer Error: In dry-run mode until restart!'
I have restarted and the message still comes up; I've even been so far as to wipe the printer and repetier from my laptop and re-install them but to no avail.
Any ideas as to how I've fubared this and how to fix it would be greatly appreciated. (I had a look through the thread but couldn't find anything like this).
Cheers,
David
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Check the current going to the extruder motor. It seems to be skipping. The other culprit I have dealt with involves a clog starting to form in the nozzle throat, it starts off the sams as you have pictured although it is all the way through the print. Also related to this is the speed of the top and bottom layer printing in the slicer.Quote
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Hey guys, I have been running into an issue and am hoping someone can help. I attached a picture, I'm getting gaps in my outer shell, I'm getting them with two different brands of filament, and can't seem to pinpoint the cause. The layers are stuck well, I can't pull anything apart, I've messed with retraction in both directions with no effect, raised extrusion width also with no effect. HELP!
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread November 29, 2015 08:02AM |
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Check the current going to the extruder motor. It seems to be skipping. The other culprit I have dealt with involves a clog starting to form in the nozzle throat, it starts off the sams as you have pictured although it is all the way through the print. Also related to this is the speed of the top and bottom layer printing in the slicer.Quote
CrackinX
Hey guys, I have been running into an issue and am hoping someone can help. I attached a picture, I'm getting gaps in my outer shell, I'm getting them with two different brands of filament, and can't seem to pinpoint the cause. The layers are stuck well, I can't pull anything apart, I've messed with retraction in both directions with no effect, raised extrusion width also with no effect. HELP!
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