Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread December 31, 2015 07:13AM |
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worthidlj
Hi folks,
Hope everyone is enjoying the festive holidays (if so inclined or not).
I've had the printer working well since my last issue and now looking to upgrade a couple of bits.
I backed the Diamond Hotend Extruder on kickstarter and got the Rumba board; but naivety on my part meant I mounted this board instead of the printers original MKS Base 1.3 (which I'm still using now).
When I first turned the power supply on I forgot to switch it to 220V (I live in the UK) so it appears the board has blown and I'm not electrically inclined to have any chance of repairing it.
I've recently seen that reprap.me now sell the diamond kit with a RAMPS 1.4 plus a stepper expander.
I'm wondering if anyone knows if it's possible to add a stepper expander to the MKS Base 1.3 board and how to do it?
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
David
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Thanks for the quick response Ax, ant advice/ opinions greatly welcomed.
Which boards would you recommend?
Cheers,
David
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 02, 2016 09:41AM |
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 02, 2016 11:46PM |
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I bought one of these metal extruder upgrades for my migbot.
[www.ebay.ca]
It looks like a much better extruder than the printed one it came with. Problem is it doesn't fit inside the metal bracket. There isn't a good way to mount it and the level touches the metal preventing it from being used.
I was thinking of replacing the whole x-carriage with something like this for the prusa. Not sure if the spacing between the rods is the same as the migbot though.
[www.thingiverse.com]
I figure this carriage gives more options for extruder mounts since the prusa design is more popular.
Has any body upgraded their extruder or x-carriage on these migbots? Please share.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 03, 2016 01:50AM |
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Joey
Hello Guys , I have been struggling to get prints in center of bed with my migbot but I doesnt . Please give me some ideas how to do it
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I bought one of these metal extruder upgrades for my migbot.
[www.ebay.ca]
It looks like a much better extruder than the printed one it came with. Problem is it doesn't fit inside the metal bracket. There isn't a good way to mount it and the level touches the metal preventing it from being used.
I was thinking of replacing the whole x-carriage with something like this for the prusa. Not sure if the spacing between the rods is the same as the migbot though.
[www.thingiverse.com]
I figure this carriage gives more options for extruder mounts since the prusa design is more popular.
Has any body upgraded their extruder or x-carriage on these migbots? Please share.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 07, 2016 08:46AM |
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 07, 2016 08:53AM |
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Wes78
Hey guys.
Well I've been printing for a couple of weeks now
After working thru some of the issues that came with the printer it's been running pretty good. But 2 nights ago I ran a 4 hour print from the SD card. Every thing went fine I unplug it and went to bed. The next day when I got home I fired up my pc and the printer only to find that the ldc screen only display blocks.... no info of any kind.
Soo... first thing I did I'd make sure it wasn't the motherboard.. so I set up a print via the pc and it work just fine. No problemsense at all. Just the lcd screen not working right.
So my question is. Could there still be something wrong with the motherboard when it comes to the lcd part of it? Or could have the actual lcd controler gone bad?
On a side note...... every once in a while the ldc would display some kind of gibberish on the screen a simple repower up would clear that and it would work properly from there
Thoughts or ideas?
Thanks.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 07, 2016 08:59AM |
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Ax
3 things it could be. Cable connections, not enough power to the board, or firmware. Check your cable connections, take a multimeter to the PSU and make sure it's putting out 12-12.1v, if it's none of those re-flash the firmware...
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 07, 2016 09:03AM |
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3 things it could be. Cable connections, not enough power to the board, or firmware. Check your cable connections, take a multimeter to the PSU and make sure it's putting out 12-12.1v, if it's none of those re-flash the firmware...
I have checked the connections twice. I definitely need to check the power out put. I'll do that when I get home.
And firmware will... it's been working. Can it just change on its own?
But I'll reflash it to be sure
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 08, 2016 03:29AM |
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Ax
32 bit, I'd go smoothieboard. The 5XC version has outputs for 5 Steppers, therefore could run the Diamond easily. That and it's much easier to configure than marlin as it's all done via a configuration file on the SD Card and there's no re-flashing the firmware any time you make a change. It's change the setting in the config file and it automatically reloads.
16 Bit, Rumba is probably your best bet, personally, I don't like the stacked RAMPS/Arduino boards, that you then have to add on to to add extra functionality. I prefer an all-in-one solution where it's all there on the board, but it's all down to preference. If you don't mind multiple Stacked boards, the RAMPS is fine.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 08, 2016 03:39AM |
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 08, 2016 09:06AM |
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Ax
32 bit, I'd go smoothieboard. The 5XC version has outputs for 5 Steppers, therefore could run the Diamond easily. That and it's much easier to configure than marlin as it's all done via a configuration file on the SD Card and there's no re-flashing the firmware any time you make a change. It's change the setting in the config file and it automatically reloads.
16 Bit, Rumba is probably your best bet, personally, I don't like the stacked RAMPS/Arduino boards, that you then have to add on to to add extra functionality. I prefer an all-in-one solution where it's all there on the board, but it's all down to preference. If you don't mind multiple Stacked boards, the RAMPS is fine.
Hi Ax,
Sorry for not getting back earlier; I thought the Rumba would be an option, but would the smootieboard really work as it only has outputs for 5 motors whereas you would need 6 (3 axis motors and 3 feed motors)?
Cheers,
David
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 09, 2016 09:01AM |
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Ax
32 bit, I'd go smoothieboard. The 5XC version has outputs for 5 Steppers, therefore could run the Diamond easily. That and it's much easier to configure than marlin as it's all done via a configuration file on the SD Card and there's no re-flashing the firmware any time you make a change. It's change the setting in the config file and it automatically reloads.
16 Bit, Rumba is probably your best bet, personally, I don't like the stacked RAMPS/Arduino boards, that you then have to add on to to add extra functionality. I prefer an all-in-one solution where it's all there on the board, but it's all down to preference. If you don't mind multiple Stacked boards, the RAMPS is fine.
Hi Ax,
Sorry for not getting back earlier; I thought the Rumba would be an option, but would the smootieboard really work as it only has outputs for 5 motors whereas you would need 6 (3 axis motors and 3 feed motors)?
Cheers,
David
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 11, 2016 10:58AM |
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 11, 2016 04:32PM |
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spinracing
Hello All,
Been reading perusing the thread, and enjoying it. Lots of notes taken for little tweaks to my setup.
Bought my first 3d Printer from the 3dprintersonlinestore everyone cringes about. But I didn't have any issues.
Electron 3d 6th generation Prusa i3.
I spent the extra for the Mk8 Extruder, auto leveler and enlarged bed.
Dont bother with the enlarged bed from them. Just buy a larger one from one of the stores like amazon or something. They make a 300x200 bed. Its cheaper and will be stronger and more stable.
The Mk8 extruder is a dream (after watching people with cheaper/printed extruders. I cant express enough how happy I am with the extruder.. because I have ZERO issues with it ever.
The autoleveling option, is excellent. It works well once adjusted.. and yes it took some fiddling and bed leveling tests to get it to be at the right height. Either too high or too low. Once right, it made life so much easier.
Bed.
Ok this is crap. A piece of plexi for the carriage.. with thin arms that hold a aluminum plate.. O.o And then the thing flexes and twists and is NEVER perfectly flat.
Granted.. I have a machine shop in the garage. And am used to things being measured to much tigher tolerances.. this thing is off by a couple tenths between the sides and middle. Evil Knievel could jump Caesars palace off it!!
SO for those who want to upgrade.. and are machinists... or know one. And plan to plop down a couple plates of aluminum....NOTE.... this will increase the mass on the y axis a LOT. And your factory speeds will cause a wealth of skips.
For my machine I got a 5/8 thick plate, and a 1/2 plate for the base. 6061-T6. (killing gnats with a sledge hammer)
I also made sure the build plate was 15" long, and 10.5 (iirc) wide. Needless to say... they weighed more then the entire rest of the machine. But I polished them and they were BEAUTIFUL.... even though the machine could hardly move them.
Ok so I had to machine them down a TON. I ended up with the bed being around (iirc) 1/4 thick plate with 5/8 thick sides for stiffness.
The carriage plate was also down to nearly 1/4 inch thick, but had thicker and thinner areas for rigidity.
The machine prints nicely.. and once the table is trued, it STAYS. Its amazing.. I have been printing every other day.. 8-20 hour long prints, and it stays completely repeatable. Its really nice to have the stability. I still need to lighten it a bit so I can increase speeds, but its a huge improvement.
The next plan... remove the y axis belt, and go to ballscrew. I am also going to move to appx 30 inch travel in the y axis. I might widen the X and convert to ballscrew also.
Bed heater... works great now that the plate is a large aluminum heat sink. It soaks up the warmth and stays really stable. I usually run 40C for pla, and it holds it with no issues... although I will be buying a larger heater and going with a relay and external power.
SO
I have a issue.
This has been happening since I unpacked it and did the first level in cura software.
When doing the level, and it does the grid pattern.. when traveling in the X axis.. the Y axis very slowly moves. And it will move the spot it was headed by around 1cm. It does this for every X axis movement.
The y motor actually turns ever so slowly.
Deciding it was possibly firmware.. I went to the latest Marlin firmware.. spent a couple days tweaking speeds and feeds so she was printing without skips in the Y, (from the weight etc) and whenever it calibrates the grid... it does that y creep thing.
Also all of my prints that are round, have a slight oval to them. y axis belt tight, as well as X. But it was a slight oval when new.. now that the y axis belt is looser from the heavy bed load (I need to add a tensioner) the ovaling is worse.. but I think its just being exacerbated.
So......
Is there something I am missing? That would cause that creep in the Y axis? A X movement signal alone manually using the software Jog feature.. it still does it. I am thinking there is a controller issue... that would cause current leak possibly?
I have spent months searching and never find anything.. everyone always has motors skipping.. not a smooth creep of y axis.
Thanks for all the info in the thread... Gems of tribal knowledge for us all.
(I will add some pics of the larger bed when home)
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 11, 2016 11:28PM |
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Ax
As for the Y Carriage, yeah, it flexes like hell, I have 3 of them now, and I need to replace the carriages. Looking at this to replace them all, as I have no access to a CNC or someone who can do it for me. As for not being able to move it, it's just a matter of turning the current up on the stepper driver.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 12, 2016 03:43AM |
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 12, 2016 03:59AM |
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Ax
Postage to the UK on that is horrendous, but I've just had a look and found a 3mm thick plate from Australia which worked out cheaply so I've bought 3 (for my 3 Migbots) for around £50 including postage.
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 12, 2016 04:23AM |
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Postage to the UK on that is horrendous, but I've just had a look and found a 3mm thick plate from Australia which worked out cheaply so I've bought 3 (for my 3 Migbots) for around £50 including postage.
Could you please post the link to the plates? I'm in Australia and would like to get one. Thanks!
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 12, 2016 04:57AM |
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Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 13, 2016 07:19PM |
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Wes78
For you guys that got or might get the alum plate, Just a heads up
I went to put mine on last night and the distance between the bearing blocks is a wee bit different...(the distance between the smooth rods isnt the same)
SOOOO looks like ill be putting this on my CnC mill and slotting some holes ill post pics later of the mod,
didn't feel like modding the pictures to post them here so here they are thru drop box
[www.dropbox.com]
[www.dropbox.com]
Re: Migbot Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 14, 2016 07:44AM |
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