Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 07:27AM |
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Still working to get the BLTouch to work with my 2020 and RC3. I tried the settings on the Wikia as well as those on Bert's git page. My Z axis goes up instead of down, which it never did before. Strange.
The biggest head scratcher is that with the laptop hooked up via USB, the BLTouch goes through it's self test and then solid red waiting for a probe. If I unhook the USB and go strictly off of the power supply, I get no self test and just flashing on the BlTouch. Any idea what that might be? Searches yield nothing.
Thanks! I WILL PREVAIL!!!! Grrrrrrrrrr.
Is your BLt getting power directly from the Ramps, if so there could be a lack of power from the ramps, usually the BLt can run off the lower current on those contacts!?!? Does it go into alarm mode when you unplug the laptop? In that case the simple fix might be to unplug the BLt power leads from the Ramps to reset it. These is a command prompt that will do that as well but I can't think of it off the top of my head!?!?
Here's my config-h
I'm seeing pretty much the same thing on mine...except my BLTouch gives me a fast flashing LED no matter what I do. Is that a power issue? If so, where besides the servo pins is good to get power to it?
I'm honestly not sure as I never had a power problem, I just know it's not recommended to drive a servo from the board due to low current. However the current draw on the BLt is super low, so mine always worked...I beleive the draw on the White version is even lower!?!?
As far as 5V from elsewhere, you could just use a phone changer and hack the connect...although I wouldn't use a cheap wimpy one, maybe one from a table would be better...
The other option would be a step-down circuit, just like dropping the voltage on the Prox Sensors...Tom's guide shows you how to do that, then you could pull power directly from the PS or the aux 12V pins.
I am currently running a different sensor, but if I went back, I'd use a Tablet Charger to be on the safe side
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 09:29AM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 10:19AM |
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I searched around a bit, and saw some (couldn't find many posts) also had some questions with the y carriage assembly. I guess my question is pretty simple, is the bed supposed to glide smoothly without resistance along the rails or should there be a little bit of friction? i just finished putting the frame and bed on, but there is some resistance when sliding the bed back and fourth - its sounds like a grinding noise. i found this video and it kind of sounds like this (starting at 4:16), its not folgertech, but i thought it might be applicable here. [www.youtube.com]
Just wanted to see if this is what it should be doing so i can forward.
Also, are there any guides out there for align the y-carriage? The documentation is not very clear on how i'm supposed align, and where to put the rails.. i'm assuming the center, so each of the sk8s are equal distance from the side of the printer?
thanks!
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 10:57AM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 11:11AM |
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I originally had a power problem similar to what's just been mentioned. I found having the BLTouch connected to the servo pins caused really funky things...
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I've not had any problems running the BLTouch from the servo pins, nor did I have a problem running the mini servo I had before. It should work, and not cause any problems. Does the pin move freely in your BLTouch? Have you adjusted it up or down? I've heard you can adjust it too far up or down and it won't work right. Also since it isn't just a switch, there is polarity on the two pin connector, and it matters if you have ground and signal oriented right where it plugs into the endstop pins, unlike a simple non-powered switch.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 01:09PM |
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After a good night's sleep, I addressed my problems with the BLTOUCH with a 'semi' fresh mind. I can raise and lower the probe giving the M280 p0 s10 or s90 commands. When the probe is down, if I push it up, it goes into the fast flash mode. I took your advice and just unplugged the BLT to reset it. Much faster than disconnecting and then reconnecting the USB and Repetier. I did verify that if the probe is in the up position with light on and I disconnect the USB, it remains in the up position with the main power on.
I also verified that I have 4.96 volts on the servo rail in both cases and yes, as you said, the power draw on the new BLT is very small. At this point, I homed the printer and it zeroed X and Y and then moved to the center and came down and tripped the BLT. I had my pointer on Emerg Stop and verified it kept going down so I killed the power. I have the switch cable in the Zmin position where I removed the old Z stop switch. It is between the ground pin and the signal pin. I took off that connector and measured resistance between the connectors. I got 143 ohms whether the pin was up or down! At that point I decided it was time to start adjusting the set screw. I watched the ohm reading as I moved the set screw but it never changed. This leads me to believe that my Hall Effect switch in the BLT is bad. I guess it's time to relate all this info back to the manufacturer and see what he says.
Oh, I did have both of those boolean settings false and I had to reverse the Z direction. It appears that everything will work IF I had a working BLTOUCH.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 01:36PM |
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Edit: GrouchoDude beat me to this point. You can see a photo of the jumper in his post above.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 01:55PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 02:03PM |
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Thanks all for the help in setting the Z offset on my BLTouch. I was having an issue being a noob and trying to use the Repetier UI to try to move below 0. Once I used your examples and used g-code direct it worked fine.
I originally had a power problem similar to what's just been mentioned. I found having the BLTouch connected to the servo pins caused really funky things. When I cycled the probe tip the LC display would flicker and sometimes the heat bed led would flash. I put a scope on the +5 line and it was dropping to about 4.2 volts. I have a semi-permanent fix unless I find something better. I mounted a TO-220 style 7805 voltage regulator using one of the existing holes in the acrylic board mount and wired it right to the +12 on the power supply. I brought the +5 output line up to a single pin connector and plugged it into a unused +5 pin on a servo connector. That solved my issues (well, maybe not all). I didn't even bother to put a filter cap at the +5 output and things seem fine.
One thing I have noticed is if the BLTouch is flashing when I try to home all the Z stage will go up rather than down. I reset the printer, the BLTouch stops flashing and homing works fine. The BLTouch seems to have a couple of different flashing modes. I'd like to determine what it's trying to tell me.
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 03:45PM |
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After a good night's sleep, I addressed my problems with the BLTOUCH with a 'semi' fresh mind. I can raise and lower the probe giving the M280 p0 s10 or s90 commands. When the probe is down, if I push it up, it goes into the fast flash mode. I took your advice and just unplugged the BLT to reset it. Much faster than disconnecting and then reconnecting the USB and Repetier. I did verify that if the probe is in the up position with light on and I disconnect the USB, it remains in the up position with the main power on.
I also verified that I have 4.96 volts on the servo rail in both cases and yes, as you said, the power draw on the new BLT is very small. At this point, I homed the printer and it zeroed X and Y and then moved to the center and came down and tripped the BLT. I had my pointer on Emerg Stop and verified it kept going down so I killed the power. I have the switch cable in the Zmin position where I removed the old Z stop switch. It is between the ground pin and the signal pin. I took off that connector and measured resistance between the connectors. I got 143 ohms whether the pin was up or down! At that point I decided it was time to start adjusting the set screw. I watched the ohm reading as I moved the set screw but it never changed. This leads me to believe that my Hall Effect switch in the BLT is bad. I guess it's time to relate all this info back to the manufacturer and see what he says.
Oh, I did have both of those boolean settings false and I had to reverse the Z direction. It appears that everything will work IF I had a working BLTOUCH.
I don't think the signal from the BLTouch is the direct output of the hall effect sensor. I believe it is a digital output signal from the chip in the BLTouch, and that chip is reading the hall effect sensor. That's why the polarity of the signal wire matters - it is not a dumb switch, but a signal. Hooking it up backwards, with the BLTouch signal connected to the ground pin on the ramps, and the ground from the BLTouch to the Z-Min signal pin on the RAMPS probably won't work, and might even damage your BLTouch. I'm not sure reading the resistance across it was harmful, but it definitely wouldn't tell you anything useful.
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 03:49PM |
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You guys are using a 8x8 sheet of glass for the print bed right? How thick is it? Im assuming 1/2 inch or less would be OK?
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I bought window glass from a local store. I think it's about 3mm, maybe slightly less. People say don't use 2mm as it may crack. If you want to go fancier, buy some borosilicate glass.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 03:52PM |
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You guys are using a 8x8 sheet of glass for the print bed right? How thick is it? Im assuming 1/2 inch or less would be OK?
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You guys are using a 8x8 sheet of glass for the print bed right? How thick is it? Im assuming 1/2 inch or less would be OK?
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 04:37PM |
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Regarding the BLTouch, how long did it take to get it? My has been sitting here since the 20th?
2016-01-20 13:52 Departure from outward office of exchange, Dispatch number : 13
2016-01-20 13:43 INCHEON, Flight number : PO214
I tried looking up the tracking number on the USPS website and it recognized it as an item from Korea but it didn't have any information.
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Regarding the BLTouch, how long did it take to get it? My has been sitting here since the 20th?
2016-01-20 13:52 Departure from outward office of exchange, Dispatch number : 13
2016-01-20 13:43 INCHEON, Flight number : PO214
I tried looking up the tracking number on the USPS website and it recognized it as an item from Korea but it didn't have any information.
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 05:32PM |
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Regarding the BLTouch, how long did it take to get it? My has been sitting here since the 20th?
2016-01-20 13:52 Departure from outward office of exchange, Dispatch number : 13
2016-01-20 13:43 INCHEON, Flight number : PO214
I tried looking up the tracking number on the USPS website and it recognized it as an item from Korea but it didn't have any information.
You can track Korean packages using [www.17track.net]
I've found the tracking stops when it leaves Korea. I saw no further updates after the flight. It appeared in my mailbox 10 days after the flight date. Tracking still shows the flight as the last activity.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 05:38PM |
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I wonder who is running FT, or at least their components department. From what I have been seeing on this thread recently, It seems the parts have gotten worse than how they were back when I bought my printer.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 29, 2016 05:55PM |
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My goodness, you guys weren't joking about those ramps boards.... Should I even risk using it?
IMHO It looks messy but usable. Also my ramps and arduino came pre attached, im assuming they already put jumpers on it as there are none it the bag.
Those heat sinks don't conduct electricity do they? Otherwise I might short something because there huge! The ones that go on the stepper drives.
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