Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 20, 2016 10:34PM |
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Awesome! I will go back and find the capactive sensor and favorite it, once I get this printer running im going to go upgrade crazyQuote
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So let me get this straight, there are 2 kinds of autolevel, one were this are servos moving the bed, and the other is a sensor and the z axis just moves up and down to compensate for bed level changes, im assuming the second choice is cheaper. Right? What are most of you guys doing?Quote
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So I just ordered a BLTouch to replace my inductive sensor, would someone mind updating the wiki page with the basic instructions?
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Are they that much better than inductive sensors? Just wondering it its worth getting one. I have an inductive on the way, but if its better I'll keep the inductive as a spare.
That's what I was wondering as well. I have a BLTouch on the way, and I'm sure it is better than the servo setup I'm using now, and should be easier than the switch to an aluminum print bed to make an inductive sensor work.
If you have a working inductive sensor setup, the only advantage I can see would be that it measures to the top of the surface, where the inductive sensor measures to the metal plate. That means you need to insure whatever you put on top of the metal plate is always the same thickness. That's probably not really a huge limitation, but one time I accidentally put my glass plate on top of one of the corner screw heads, and because the autolevel probed it and just adjusted, I didn't even notice it wasn't flat. Prints worked fine anyway. If it was sensing the bed underneath, that would have been a problem.
I haven't gotten my BLTouch, or tried an inductive setup, so I'd love to hear from others how they have worked for them.
They both work exactly the same, they just use different means to check the levelness of the bed. Either way the Z motor make the adjustment while printing.
The BLtouch and Servo/Micro Switch Setup work by actually touching the surface you are printing on. An Inductive Proximity Sensor measure how close you are to a metallic surface without actually touching it. A Capacitive Sensor measure density changes in almost anything, so it can read the glass, BuildTak, or possibly the Kapton Tape surface, otherwise it works just like the Inductive Sensor. If you look through the thread you will find lots of info and lots of opinions on both.
As far as cost, the Inductive Sensor and BLtouch cost about the same if you buy an aluminum build plate. If you can find the Capacitive Sensor I suggested earlier it can be as little as $15.00 with no need to buy any other build plate material.
There is success with all three setups, every person running them likes their choice for one reason or another, they all do the basically the same thing, it's really just your preference...
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Goodness, the search function is awful! I searched and went back and looked at previous pages and can't find it.
[www.ebay.com]
Would something like this work ok?
That would work, however I think they are all 18mm in diameter...that's pretty damn big if you ask me...
Edit: I think one of these is your better option...China...US
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 20, 2016 11:24PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 20, 2016 11:34PM |
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oh my god your glorious man! you had me confused for awhile,but all the end stops are working and homing! i love you! haha. so now a few more questions lol. my home is the front right corner,is this going to mess with anything? i have heard about mirroring. im guna test print with me luck! i guess ill figure it out. thank you so much! you have no idea.Quote
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Move your X and Y endstop connector one place to the left on the ramps board. The printer will not move until you homes it. If the endstops are not setup properly, the printer will hit them, and then keep trying to move in that direction since it will never get the signal to stop. If you ever want to move your endstops, look at the comments I added in the configs above and that should give you a good idea what to uncomment and comment.
thanks! so i do i just delete the old? i moved the end stops,ill have to do this part later hopefully works! thanks. is there a way to mount the x endstop on the left with the existing printed part? idont have acess to a printer right now. thanks!
The above configs are just segments of the endstop config section, so they replace of the configs that look similar to them, not the entire endstop section. You should be able to put the endstop holder that comes with the printer on the left until you can print a better one. Just keep in mind that the above config will have to be changed to match the printer if you put it on the left since it is set to be on the right.
thanks! ill keep in on the right for now,but for some reason the end stops still dont work. i moved them a,ll to the left 1 slot. so they are in 1,3 and 5. also the y home moved to the front of the printer,is that correct? ill see if i can start to understand what the configs mean lol. i really appreciate the help.
Move only the X and Y connectors if you want the Z to home to the bottom. If the Y endstop is in the back, but the bed moves to the front, just reverse the Y motor connector on the ramps.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 01:12AM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 01:54AM |
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As far as cost, the Inductive Sensor and BLtouch cost about the same if you buy an aluminum build plate. If you can find the Capacitive Sensor I suggested earlier it can be as little as $15.00 with no need to buy any other build plate material.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 04:24AM |
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sonny, with the E2K-X4ME1 sensor, are the the instructions the same as listed on the wiki? Did you have to build a voltage divider as I have seen people do for some inductive sensors or do you just hook it up to the ramps board? Does it connect where the z end stop would normally connect?
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 04:34AM |
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Shoot. I went to print something tonight and I was getting clicking at the extruder. I sometimes hear that, but once it gets going it clear up and everything is fine, but not tonight. It seems like something is clogged.
I watched this video to (try to) take apart the hot end.
[www.youtube.com]
Unfortunately, I can't remove the threaded tube from the block (it seems as though the 1.5mm set screw is stripped?) and the whole thing is kind of a mess. So what to do? Buy new parts.
Is this all I need to replace everything (this is from FolgerTech)
Dual Extruder Block - 6mm $ 8.99 $ 8.99
Threaded M6 tube with PTFE/Teflon core for 1.75mm used on Prusa i3 Kit $ 5.99
3D Printer Hot End Assembly with Block, Nozzle, Heater, & Thermistor $ 7.99
3D Printer 0.4mm Extruder Nozzle Print Head for MK8 Makerbot RepRap $ 2.99 (extra nozzle)
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 05:42AM |
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Configuration_adv.h (Marlin 1.0.2) //homing hits the endstop, then retracts by this distance, before it tries to slowly bump again: #define X_HOME_RETRACT_MM 5 #define Y_HOME_RETRACT_MM 5 #define Z_HOME_RETRACT_MM 3 //#define QUICK_HOME //if this is defined, if both x and y are to be homed, a diagonal move will be performed initially.
Configuration_adv.h (Latest Marlin 1.1.0-RC3) //homing hits the endstop, then retracts by this distance, before it tries to slowly bump again: #define X_HOME_BUMP_MM 5 #define Y_HOME_BUMP_MM 5 #define Z_HOME_BUMP_MM 2 #define HOMING_BUMP_DIVISOR {2, 2, 4} // Re-Bump Speed Divisor (Divides the Homing Feedrate) //#define QUICK_HOME //if this is defined, if both x and y are to be homed, a diagonal move will be performed initially.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 09:10AM |
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Homing Bump
I’ve been cleaning up my config.h and noticed that if I DISABLE_MAX_ENDSTOPS (I’m using X Min endstop on the left, so I have no Max endstops at all) then I will get a ‘bump’ when homing (home, retract short distance, re-home). After further investigation it seems this is intended behaviour:-
Configuration_adv.h (Marlin 1.0.2) //homing hits the endstop, then retracts by this distance, before it tries to slowly bump again: #define X_HOME_RETRACT_MM 5 #define Y_HOME_RETRACT_MM 5 #define Z_HOME_RETRACT_MM 3 //#define QUICK_HOME //if this is defined, if both x and y are to be homed, a diagonal move will be performed initially.
Configuration_adv.h (Latest Marlin 1.1.0-RC3) //homing hits the endstop, then retracts by this distance, before it tries to slowly bump again: #define X_HOME_BUMP_MM 5 #define Y_HOME_BUMP_MM 5 #define Z_HOME_BUMP_MM 2 #define HOMING_BUMP_DIVISOR {2, 2, 4} // Re-Bump Speed Divisor (Divides the Homing Feedrate) //#define QUICK_HOME //if this is defined, if both x and y are to be homed, a diagonal move will be performed initially.
I'm guessing this wasn't happening before as Max Endstops were always showing as triggered and so the printer wouldn't move towards Max when doing the homing bump?
Does anyone know why there is a homing 'bump'? I’ve done a few google & reddit searches but can’t find an explanation.
I’m assuming it’s for a more accurate home position (HOMING_BUMP_DIVISOR in 1.1.0-RC3 slows it down) but after not having the bump from the beginning it now feels wrong when the printer homes with this enabled!
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 09:36AM |
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Shoot. I went to print something tonight and I was getting clicking at the extruder. I sometimes hear that, but once it gets going it clear up and everything is fine, but not tonight. It seems like something is clogged.
I watched this video to (try to) take apart the hot end.
[www.youtube.com]
Unfortunately, I can't remove the threaded tube from the block (it seems as though the 1.5mm set screw is stripped?) and the whole thing is kind of a mess. So what to do? Buy new parts.
Is this all I need to replace everything (this is from FolgerTech)
Dual Extruder Block - 6mm $ 8.99 $ 8.99
Threaded M6 tube with PTFE/Teflon core for 1.75mm used on Prusa i3 Kit $ 5.99
3D Printer Hot End Assembly with Block, Nozzle, Heater, & Thermistor $ 7.99
3D Printer 0.4mm Extruder Nozzle Print Head for MK8 Makerbot RepRap $ 2.99 (extra nozzle)
THIS is the only replacement part you need ;-)
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 09:59AM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 10:13AM |
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Reflashed it shows them open but nothing when closed ? I sure would like to print something !
Maybe a bad RAMPS I will send an email to FT, it's a new build.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 10:21AM |
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Reflashed it shows them open but nothing when closed ? I sure would like to print something !
Maybe a bad RAMPS I will send an email to FT, it's a new build.
Just an observation, but folks on this thread need to stop blaming RAMPS for everything. In my view, it is extremely unlikely in this case. Take a look at the RAMPS schematic and you will see that the only thing it does is host a few mosfets to turn heaters on and off, and then reroute the Mega pins to more convenient locations for connectors. It's a pretty darn simple board. The endstop connectors are just a direct pass through Mega. My recommendation is to start troubleshooting the problem to narrow it down. Are the endstops receiving 5v? Does the signal pin show 5v when open and 0 when closed? What if you ground the signal pin on RAMPS? Does M119 show closed? I think a few of these simple troubleshooting tests can help narrow down the problem and see if FT really needs to send you a new RAMPS board or maybe something else.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 10:28AM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 10:36AM |
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Homing Bump
This is normal in all aspects of homing from CNC's to the advance measuring equipment I use daily. Both my touch and optical CMM are shut down in their last position. When starting up in the morning they need to be homed. They will travel at a higher rate of speed till they bump the end stops then they will back off and home again at a slower rate of speed for more accurate positioning.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 10:41AM |
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This is great advice, maybe we should add a trouble shooting section to the Wikia Page!?!?
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 10:44AM |
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My 3d view and slicer views are blank and after reading the Repeiter website I suspect the video card in my old computer is not up to the task, can anyone suggest an inexpensive video card that will work?
Thanks
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 10:50AM |
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Shoot. I went to print something tonight and I was getting clicking at the extruder. I sometimes hear that, but once it gets going it clear up and everything is fine, but not tonight. It seems like something is clogged.
I watched this video to (try to) take apart the hot end.
[www.youtube.com]
Unfortunately, I can't remove the threaded tube from the block (it seems as though the 1.5mm set screw is stripped?) and the whole thing is kind of a mess. So what to do? Buy new parts.
Is this all I need to replace everything (this is from FolgerTech)
Dual Extruder Block - 6mm $ 8.99 $ 8.99
Threaded M6 tube with PTFE/Teflon core for 1.75mm used on Prusa i3 Kit $ 5.99
3D Printer Hot End Assembly with Block, Nozzle, Heater, & Thermistor $ 7.99
3D Printer 0.4mm Extruder Nozzle Print Head for MK8 Makerbot RepRap $ 2.99 (extra nozzle)
THIS is the only replacement part you need ;-)
I've looked at the possibility of doing this, but here's where I get overwhelmed. After the thorough and extensive assembly (http://wiki.e3d-online.com/wiki/E3D-Lite6_Assembly) I now have to find a suitable mount, etc etc. And that's going to be difficult to print if my printer isn't working.
I do like how folks on this forum are careful about the pictures they post but quite often on Thingiverse, I often for various parts people post pictures of ... something. I think I'm not mechanically inclined enough to be able to distinguish what the heck I'm supposed to be looking at! And that's what scares me about changing the hot end.
Is there someplace that sells everything I need to get together? (thinking back, I bet folks here have documented their upgrade - I should go look)
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 11:28AM |
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Homing Bump
This is normal in all aspects of homing from CNC's to the advance measuring equipment I use daily. Both my touch and optical CMM are shut down in their last position. When starting up in the morning they need to be homed. They will travel at a higher rate of speed till they bump the end stops then they will back off and home again at a slower rate of speed for more accurate positioning.
Ah thought as much! Well I've left Max Endstops Disabled so my config.h is more correct, so just need to get used to it now! Can't really see a benefit to it though, although I suppose if you needed to home mid-print to change the filament.....
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 12:06PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 12:54PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 12:59PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 01:30PM |
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As far as printing a mount, once you find one you like you might be able to find a local printing service at 3Dhubs There are three with-in 20 miles of me
Many people here are using the E3D Hotends with the FT Direct Drive setup, so you should be able to get some advice, or maybe the search in my sig can find it for you!?!?
E3D now offers all their Hotend assembled, although I'm not sure Filastruder would have them yet!?!?
I would also be happy to print a mount for you and send it to you, I would just need to know which one you wanted...
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 02:39PM |
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Reflashed it shows them open but nothing when closed ? I sure would like to print something !
Maybe a bad RAMPS I will send an email to FT, it's a new build.
Just an observation, but folks on this thread need to stop blaming RAMPS for everything. In my view, it is extremely unlikely in this case. Take a look at the RAMPS schematic and you will see that the only thing it does is host a few mosfets to turn heaters on and off, and then reroute the Mega pins to more convenient locations for connectors. It's a pretty darn simple board. The endstop connectors are just a direct pass through Mega. My recommendation is to start troubleshooting the problem to narrow it down. Are the endstops receiving 5v? Does the signal pin show 5v when open and 0 when closed? What if you ground the signal pin on RAMPS? Does M119 show closed? I think a few of these simple troubleshooting tests can help narrow down the problem and see if FT really needs to send you a new RAMPS board or maybe something else.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 03:08PM |
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As far as printing a mount, once you find one you like you might be able to find a local printing service at 3Dhubs There are three with-in 20 miles of me
Many people here are using the E3D Hotends with the FT Direct Drive setup, so you should be able to get some advice, or maybe the search in my sig can find it for you!?!?
E3D now offers all their Hotend assembled, although I'm not sure Filastruder would have them yet!?!?
I would also be happy to print a mount for you and send it to you, I would just need to know which one you wanted...
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Thanks Sonny!
I took the plunge and ordered the E3D Lite6 kit from Filastruder - got the tracking number already (would be cool if it made it on Saturday, but that's wishful thinking). I'm hoping I can get the old hot end working enough to print animoose's mount for the E3D. It looks like that's all I need to get started? Then when I get it going I'll look into a fan mount. Thanks guys!
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 03:59PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 04:01PM |
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I have the printer coming, and once I get the printer up and running i will move my endstop to the left (With an upgraded adapter), but currently I have no idea where to put the endstop on the right.Quote
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This is great advice, maybe we should add a trouble shooting section to the Wikia Page!?!?
I think would be a huge benefit to have a definitive build guide and configuration.h that the majority agree on that we can point people to (here and from the wiki), that way everyone will have the same setup and same config starting out. E.g. Endstops on Min and Stepper cables all connected the same way round.
That should help with 90% of the problems people seem to be having.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) January 21, 2016 05:01PM |
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As far as printing a mount, once you find one you like you might be able to find a local printing service at 3Dhubs There are three with-in 20 miles of me
Many people here are using the E3D Hotends with the FT Direct Drive setup, so you should be able to get some advice, or maybe the search in my sig can find it for you!?!?
E3D now offers all their Hotend assembled, although I'm not sure Filastruder would have them yet!?!?
I would also be happy to print a mount for you and send it to you, I would just need to know which one you wanted...
Sonny
Thanks Sonny!
I took the plunge and ordered the E3D Lite6 kit from Filastruder - got the tracking number already (would be cool if it made it on Saturday, but that's wishful thinking). I'm hoping I can get the old hot end working enough to print animoose's mount for the E3D. It looks like that's all I need to get started? Then when I get it going I'll look into a fan mount. Thanks guys!