Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 03, 2016 04:24PM |
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My build plate is glass and I don't really want to stick some aluminum inbetween... I plan on printing abs in the future, think I could get a capactiive to work alright?Quote
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Have you thought about using a capacitive sensor so it will work with glass?
The same reasons I love capacitive sensors for touch screens...I'm not big on them for this. Too sensitive. I'm sure they're a lot better than the last time I messed with a capacitive sense circuit, but it would be affected by weather and humidity greatly.
I'm liking the inductive. Just was surprised that the new bigger one was sensitive enough for a bolt that far away to throw it off. But it's the only reason I can think of for the reading shifting in that one spot and adding more metal above it solved it.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 03, 2016 04:29PM |
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Just finish up installing sonny's gen1 upgrades:
full view:
E3D v6 direct drive:
Z- end stop, improvizedjust a m5 screw and t-nut.
Full veiw of the z axis, 400 mm lead screw (that why the 2x4 are under the printer, didn't want to cut them yet).
Still have some thing to clean up and fix. I will say it's a hole lot quieter than it was before with this setup. Used to be i could hear the printer printing downstairs when i was upstairs. This will help with when you have 2 little one running around. In the photos you can see the IKEA lack side table, i have another one to build an enclosure with. should all work when i move to the gen-2 setup. I think i only took off a 1.5 of material for the y rail. Took about 3 inches of the x rail and mounted that piece on the backside of the rail across the top to hole some wires up out of the way. Below is a list of part i used for my build.
- Change out the FT plate for the openbuild plate Build Plate
- Shorten both the x & y rails Rails
- mini v Gantry for X-Axis Mini V Gantry Set
- V-Slot Gantry Set for the Y-AxisV-Slot Gantry Set
- igus bearing instead of LM88UU
- misc hardware & bearings
- Ikea table Lack side table
Glad to see you have it up and running, the more I use my printer the happier I am with the upgrades
Nice job on the Z endstop improvise!!! Like I said in our PM exchanges...I never even thought about it LOL
Love the glow filament...I'm in the process of reprinting all my stuff in White
Sonnylowe, what about moving the extruder to the top of the rail instead of hanging it off the side? That way you don't have all that weight hanging so far out and I don't think you would loose too much height since the hot end would move up as well. If you didn't want to move the X-axis belt, you would need to have something to attach it to on each side of the gantry. Just a thought..
I just need to say, what an awesome job you guys did.. looks great, makes complete sense. FolgerTech should offer that as an upgrade
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 03, 2016 05:21PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 03, 2016 07:33PM |
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Where would you guys reccomend buying abs plastic? I want decent quality not cheap crap.
-Sam
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 03, 2016 07:46PM |
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My build plate is glass and I don't really want to stick some aluminum inbetween... I plan on printing abs in the future, think I could get a capactiive to work alright?Quote
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Have you thought about using a capacitive sensor so it will work with glass?
The same reasons I love capacitive sensors for touch screens...I'm not big on them for this. Too sensitive. I'm sure they're a lot better than the last time I messed with a capacitive sense circuit, but it would be affected by weather and humidity greatly.
I'm liking the inductive. Just was surprised that the new bigger one was sensitive enough for a bolt that far away to throw it off. But it's the only reason I can think of for the reading shifting in that one spot and adding more metal above it solved it.
Sonnylowe seems to like a capacitive sensor. I've not tried one on the printer, but had the same experience as jhitesma in the past. Detection distance varying with humidity, or nearby objects.
The nearby object thing can affect inductive sensors too, so make sure you probe it away from the mounting bolts, etc. If I go that route, I'll probably switch to one of the mk3 aluminum heaters.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 03, 2016 08:04PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 03, 2016 08:38PM |
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sonnylowe - you still thinking of upgrading the controller? I ran out of things to do on the printer and have been looking into the MiniRambo.
Haha...yup!!! I've checked out the Rambo, but not MiniRambo, I guess I know what I'll be doing at work today LOL
To be honest, I find myself looking at the Prinrbot board more and more, it seems like a good board at as reasonable price!?!? Check it out and let me know what you think...
I really like THIS as well...simply love machined aluminum!!! If my current Extruder design does work out it might end up and my short list ;-)
Here's my Belt Drive DDE mounted...just need to wire the NEMA 14, hope to run it tonight![]()
I seems like it's a giant pain in the a** to flash that board since you can't just use Arduino Studio - [printrbot.dozuki.com]
Good catch, that's just crazy!!! I would really like to upgrade my board, but I just don't know enough about the firmware aspects of it all. I also like the smoothieboard, but damn, that's another firmware to learn. Would i be correct in assuming any board that runs Marlin would be easy to flash!?!?
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 12:13AM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 06:34AM |
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sonnylowe - you still thinking of upgrading the controller? I ran out of things to do on the printer and have been looking into the MiniRambo.
Haha...yup!!! I've checked out the Rambo, but not MiniRambo, I guess I know what I'll be doing at work today LOL
To be honest, I find myself looking at the Prinrbot board more and more, it seems like a good board at as reasonable price!?!? Check it out and let me know what you think...
I really like THIS as well...simply love machined aluminum!!! If my current Extruder design does work out it might end up and my short list ;-)
Here's my Belt Drive DDE mounted...just need to wire the NEMA 14, hope to run it tonight![]()
I seems like it's a giant pain in the a** to flash that board since you can't just use Arduino Studio - [printrbot.dozuki.com]
Good catch, that's just crazy!!! I would really like to upgrade my board, but I just don't know enough about the firmware aspects of it all. I also like the smoothieboard, but damn, that's another firmware to learn. Would i be correct in assuming any board that runs Marlin would be easy to flash!?!?
Any board that has an Arduino at the heart of it (like Rambo and Mini Rambo) can be flashed like we do it now.
Also, be aware that smoothieboards currently have some problems working with Simplify3d.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 06:36AM |
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I have my 2020 running with the BLTOUCH now with or without the laptop hooked up. Just to be sure that the BLTOUCH would work even if it was in alarm mode, I put m280 P0 S160 as the first line in my Cura G code before printing. Then G28 and G29. I uploaded a video of it in action showing how the printer is actually adjusting the Z axis for the out of level print plate, which I created to test it. After the print, I measured the parts and they are all within 0.08 mm. Well, actually that was the range so they are + - 0.04 mm. I still have to lower my Z offset a couple more tenth though because I didn't get any squeeze out on the first layer, which I have set for 150%.
Pretty freaking amazing! Some math whiz needs a pat on the back!
[youtu.be]
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 07:23AM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 07:56AM |
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Wow this thread's getting busy!
I'm hoping to change over to lead screws this weekend now all the bits have finally arrived but wanted to check with others regarding backlash. Wouldn't the weight of the X carriage eliminate any backlash as (thanks to gravity) it's always pulling down on the brass nut? When actually printing, the Z axis is only moving in one direction anyway...
Is my understanding correct that backlash is basically 'play' between the nut and bolt?
I printed out the Z anti backlash on Thingiverse (for the M5 rod) but didn't bother installing them for the same reason (also didn't really want to disassemble the printer twice due to lead screws on order).
Would really like to know what those with anti-backlash installed have noticed.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 10:58AM |
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Wow this thread's getting busy!
I'm hoping to change over to lead screws this weekend now all the bits have finally arrived but wanted to check with others regarding backlash. Wouldn't the weight of the X carriage eliminate any backlash as (thanks to gravity) it's always pulling down on the brass nut? When actually printing, the Z axis is only moving in one direction anyway...
Is my understanding correct that backlash is basically 'play' between the nut and bolt?
I printed out the Z anti backlash on Thingiverse (for the M5 rod) but didn't bother installing them for the same reason (also didn't really want to disassemble the printer twice due to lead screws on order).
Would really like to know what those with anti-backlash installed have noticed.
Just a bump to my previous message that got buried... Would really like to hear other people's opinions on this.....
Also my other previous question about the 12v Aux connector on the RAMPS board - has anyone got the header pins on theirs?
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 11:03AM |
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I have my 2020 running with the BLTOUCH now with or without the laptop hooked up. Just to be sure that the BLTOUCH would work even if it was in alarm mode, I put m280 P0 S160 as the first line in my Cura G code before printing. Then G28 and G29. I uploaded a video of it in action showing how the printer is actually adjusting the Z axis for the out of level print plate, which I created to test it. After the print, I measured the parts and they are all within 0.08 mm. Well, actually that was the range so they are + - 0.04 mm. I still have to lower my Z offset a couple more tenth though because I didn't get any squeeze out on the first layer, which I have set for 150%.
Pretty freaking amazing! Some math whiz needs a pat on the back!
[youtu.be]
Damn it, the video is blocked at work, I'll take a look tonight...I miss the clicky-clicky and may have to go back
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 11:18AM |
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Wow this thread's getting busy!
I'm hoping to change over to lead screws this weekend now all the bits have finally arrived but wanted to check with others regarding backlash. Wouldn't the weight of the X carriage eliminate any backlash as (thanks to gravity) it's always pulling down on the brass nut? When actually printing, the Z axis is only moving in one direction anyway...
Is my understanding correct that backlash is basically 'play' between the nut and bolt?
I printed out the Z anti backlash on Thingiverse (for the M5 rod) but didn't bother installing them for the same reason (also didn't really want to disassemble the printer twice due to lead screws on order).
Would really like to know what those with anti-backlash installed have noticed.
Just a bump to my previous message that got buried... Would really like to hear other people's opinions on this.....
Also my other previous question about the 12v Aux connector on the RAMPS board - has anyone got the header pins on theirs?
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 11:28AM |
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I have my 2020 running with the BLTOUCH now with or without the laptop hooked up. Just to be sure that the BLTOUCH would work even if it was in alarm mode, I put m280 P0 S160 as the first line in my Cura G code before printing. Then G28 and G29. I uploaded a video of it in action showing how the printer is actually adjusting the Z axis for the out of level print plate, which I created to test it. After the print, I measured the parts and they are all within 0.08 mm. Well, actually that was the range so they are + - 0.04 mm. I still have to lower my Z offset a couple more tenth though because I didn't get any squeeze out on the first layer, which I have set for 150%.
Pretty freaking amazing! Some math whiz needs a pat on the back!
[youtu.be]
Damn it, the video is blocked at work, I'll take a look tonight...I miss the clicky-clicky and may have to go back
Hahaha. Whatever device you use to auto-level, it is just amazing that it actually works! Now that I see all the movements in the Z axis, I may have to rethink the Z backlash possibility eventhough my X carriage 'floats' on the vertical rods. I see some roughness in the top finish of the part that wasn't there before.
At least, I solved the problem of the BLTOUCH alarming in the stand alone (without PC) condition. So simple that I hesitate to say what it was. You can see the problem in this video. [www.youtube.com]
For some reason, even though the BLTOUCH pulls almost no current, it was resetting my firmware. I ended up with an external supply. The MAIN problem for it going into alarm condition though was that you have to have the pin in the down position when you energize it to prevent the alarm. In the stand alone configuration, you have no way to send the reset code except if you put it at the beginning of a slicer file, which I now do just in case. It would be nice to have a menu item that would do that for me. I just can't find where that coding is located yet.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 12:02PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 04:01PM |
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Okay guy's i thought i was free and clear had everything moving correctly,homing,etc.
then i was adjusting my v on my steppers(first time with a multimeter) and i killed the board.
since then i have ordered 1 new board ramps and adruino. they all worked,but eventually started getting errors.
now i can't do any type of movements. I have tried lowering the steppers and hiring them and still errors out.
I was wondering if there's a way to test if a board is bad ramps/mega. I do have to order a new thermistor and heater i think that failed on me too.
could be my wiring maybe? it was all working perfect(besides I couldn't print,couldn't get the extruder to feed by it's self) not worried about this right now just want it to get moving then I can worry about that.
ill post the error in repetier. I would just order another....new set,but i cant really afford to keep doing this. i checked all my wiring and it was all correct...however not to confuse you anymore,I did have the heatbed wiring on the ramps backwards, I asked and they said that wouldn't do anything to it.
thanks guys.
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 04:19PM |
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thanks for the reply. it recently worked thought is why im confused nothing has changed besides the boards. the thermistor shouldn't make it not move right? oir would it?
the mega is a chinned knock off if that matters. im guna try to go back to my original mega
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 04:30PM |
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alright ill order the thermistor and heater. just sucks I have had it for a month and haven't got a single print. ill ask someone to unplug their thermistors and see what it does for.
them. do you think it's a good chance it's the board again or no?
thanks.
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 06:38PM |
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Z backlash: The weight of the X Carriage is not always enough, resistances caused by poor rod alignment and poor bearing movement. If the X Carriage sticks at all coming down it will lag on the way back up. Once it's catches up and the slack is gone I would agree, it is along for the ride and should stay on point. I believe it becomes much more critical when you are running auto leveling as the Z Axis is constantly changing direction so you'll see the results in your prints.
The other issue with a sloppy fit between the LS and LS nuts is renaissance...mine made a horrible chattering noise before I installed the anti-backlash.
I came up with this anti-backlash solution, other than simply not liking the brass LS Nuts (they are cheap, poorly machined and wear out way too quickly) it works great!!!
Second question, try D2 it's a 12V AUX pin set, it is on my ramps board.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 07:41PM |
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I have my 2020 running with the BLTOUCH now with or without the laptop hooked up. Just to be sure that the BLTOUCH would work even if it was in alarm mode, I put m280 P0 S160 as the first line in my Cura G code before printing. Then G28 and G29. I uploaded a video of it in action showing how the printer is actually adjusting the Z axis for the out of level print plate, which I created to test it. After the print, I measured the parts and they are all within 0.08 mm. Well, actually that was the range so they are + - 0.04 mm. I still have to lower my Z offset a couple more tenth though because I didn't get any squeeze out on the first layer, which I have set for 150%.
Pretty freaking amazing! Some math whiz needs a pat on the back!
[youtu.be]
Damn it, the video is blocked at work, I'll take a look tonight...I miss the clicky-clicky and may have to go back
Hahaha. Whatever device you use to auto-level, it is just amazing that it actually works! Now that I see all the movements in the Z axis, I may have to rethink the Z backlash possibility eventhough my X carriage 'floats' on the vertical rods. I see some roughness in the top finish of the part that wasn't there before.
At least, I solved the problem of the BLTOUCH alarming in the stand alone (without PC) condition. So simple that I hesitate to say what it was. You can see the problem in this video. [www.youtube.com]
For some reason, even though the BLTOUCH pulls almost no current, it was resetting my firmware. I ended up with an external supply. The MAIN problem for it going into alarm condition though was that you have to have the pin in the down position when you energize it to prevent the alarm. In the stand alone configuration, you have no way to send the reset code except if you put it at the beginning of a slicer file, which I now do just in case. It would be nice to have a menu item that would do that for me. I just can't find where that coding is located yet.
Good advice, adding that bit of Start G-Code is great no matter how you start your prints. I had an alarm and didn't notice it when I started a print...I drove my Yellow BLt so far into the bed that it cracked the case. This would have prevented that!!!!
"slicker than owl crap" I love it LOL
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 10:45PM |
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This was another biggie that helped me get things really aligned: [www.thingiverse.com] I had to use the customizer to print it about 25mm longer than stock to work with our setup but it makes getting the X and Y aligned so much easier. Originally I was just using my calipers to measure from the lower X smooth rod to the table...but then realized it was the Y rails that really mattered so started measuring between them and the X instead of the table. That got me really close but it was fiddly to do with the calipers. With these it's much easier, just lower Z until the lower side touches, then twist the screw on the other to get it to the same point.
Before using the alignment tool to align my X I was able to get about a 0.1mm difference on this test: [www.thingiverse.com]
After using the alignment tool I can no longer detect any difference between the diagonals with my cheap harbor freight calipers.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 11:47PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) February 04, 2016 11:49PM |
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Im liking cura, if you haven't tried it give it a go!