Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 10, 2016 06:37PM |
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Quick question for anyone using S3D and an auto leveling probe.
I have my probe working perfectly with Cura/Slicer but since switching over to S3D my prints are off centered. Lets say I place an item in the middle of my bed and slice it, it appears to be in the center on S3D but when the print actually starts it is around 40mm to the right of the center mark. I was wondering if it has something to do with the extruder/probe offsets in the Marlin configuration.h code. I haven't had time to mess with offset settings in the software yet so I figured I would see if anyone has had a similar problem.
Also TheRippa, I finally scrapped my bowden extruder and switched over to your TinyFlex Extruder, it is working amazing to say the least. I also remixed your design to fit a 18mm OD capacitance sensor. If anyone wants the files let me know, the sensor is working great with my glass/pei print bed, it is linked below.
Thanks for the help.
[www.amazon.com]
I'd love to get those files. I've been very frustrated with the bowden (I just can't get the right retraction settings). I'm ready to go back to direct, and have a 18mm sensor.
Out of curiosity why did you switch to bowden in the first place?
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 10, 2016 08:42PM |
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Did anyone else get a bag of jelly beans in their package?
A happy accident or a little reward for when I finish putting it together? My kit was missing all the M3x8mm screws, I guess this almost makes up for it.
Any advice on aligning the Z axis? I don't think mine are perfectly align as the movement on the Z axis is not as smooth and it feels like it is binding at the bottom part a bit.
If you can print reasonably well I'd suggest trying to print two of these: [www.thingiverse.com]
They really helped me dial in my Z alignment.
If nothing else at least take some measurements to make sure the two sides are as close as you can get them. I originally did this by lowering the Z to just a few mm above the bed and measuring from the lower X chrome rod to the table on both sides and manually turning the lead screws or threaded rods to get the two sides even.
However, when I saw these I realized that was a bad way to do it. Level to the table doesn't matter. It's getting the X and Y motion axes even that matters (bed level can play into this as well but is a separate issue.) So these are nice because they give a quick way to confirm that the lower X chrome rod is even to the two Y chrome rods. You can do the same thing measuring with calipers...but I found it much quicker and more repeatable to use these. I just put them on the two Y rods then slowly lower the Z until one of the X just touches the top of one measuring tool. Then manually turn the screw/rod of the other Z until the other one just touches equally. Once they both match I did one of these to test:
[www.thingiverse.com]
Adjusting to the table my diagonals on there were close but slightly off. Probably acceptable for most people but I'm looking to do fairly high precision parts so I keep trying to improve. Adjusting with calipers between the rods I got closer but still had a slightly mismatch on the diagonals. Using the printed tools my test comes out with the diagonal measurements closer than my calipers can discern.
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 10, 2016 09:18PM |
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I am in the usa, Those looks great! thanks for posting!Quote
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I am using autolevel as of saterday, do these look like a decen't upgrade set?
[www.banggood.com]
These might be a better option if you are in the U.S. The 250mm ones cost about the same, and are the perfect length Leadscrews
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 10, 2016 10:19PM |
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I am using autolevel as of saterday, do these look like a decen't upgrade set?
[www.banggood.com]
I bought those, and they are working well, although I wish I had purchased extra nuts at the time (I have them in route now) so I could set them up with in an anti-backlash setup. HOWEVER, I really wish I had bought these: (and will be ordering when I have some additional disposable cash)
[store.makerstoolworks.com]
The 8mm lead on the Banggood screws means 1/10 the steps (400) per mm when compared to the threaded rod. With this installed, those Z motors really don't move very far. I feel that any imperfections in the manufacturing of those could result in much bigger errors. The screws linked above are singe start, so the lead is 2mm, (1600 steps/mm) AND they come with delrin nuts, which I understand wear better than the brass, and are inherently non-backlash (can anyone confirm?). Also, those single start lead screws have their ends turned down to 5mm, so you don't need to replace the flex couplers.
Even though they are over twice the cost, I think it would be worth it, which is why I will be swapping them out in the next couple months.
--Andrew
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 07:31AM |
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Okay you wanted suggestions for the kits. I'll tell you a big one. For the love of all sanity.. PREPACKAGE THE BOLTS IN AT LEAST SAME M-SIZE BAGS! Here we are almost 8 hours after I started poking at this, maybe 10-15 minutes at a time with breaks in between.. has been spent doing nothing but sorting out the bolts/nuts/washers. Really! This has got to be the most aggrevating part of the build, for someone without a ton of experience with these things. I imagine handling m3 nuts/washers is going to be the other frustration, but I'm not sure how that can be designed out considering how many M3 bolts go into this! I'm up to nearly 30 M3 25mm pan head bolts, with like 7 of the 30mm ones. And I have no CLUE what these tiny black head-less shafts are for!
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 10:43AM |
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MonolithTyriss
Okay you wanted suggestions for the kits. I'll tell you a big one. For the love of all sanity.. PREPACKAGE THE BOLTS IN AT LEAST SAME M-SIZE BAGS! Here we are almost 8 hours after I started poking at this, maybe 10-15 minutes at a time with breaks in between.. has been spent doing nothing but sorting out the bolts/nuts/washers. Really! This has got to be the most aggrevating part of the build, for someone without a ton of experience with these things. I imagine handling m3 nuts/washers is going to be the other frustration, but I'm not sure how that can be designed out considering how many M3 bolts go into this! I'm up to nearly 30 M3 25mm pan head bolts, with like 7 of the 30mm ones. And I have no CLUE what these tiny black head-less shafts are for!
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 12:52PM |
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MonolithTyriss
Hey guys! Just got shipment of my 2020 kit earlier today. Must say, awesome job on the packaging! Entire printer plus 4 total rolls of abs and that box was rock solid! Certainly no worries of it coming apart mid shipment. Also it appears they didn't have a color of filament that I wanted, so I got 2 rolls of a different color! A free spool? I think I can live with a different color.These guys at Folger Tech have been nothing but awesome so far! Very highly recommend them for anyone on the fence!
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Now, onto questions! I really only have a few so far, and they all boil down to the same thing. I have no experience with metric bolts/nuts/washers. And before 3D printers came about I had no idea what a T-nut was! So, the qusetion I have, is can there be a graphical way for us to identify the bolts/nuts in the kit? Right now I have a small table covered in screws, and a parts cabinet waiting to have it's drawers filled. But even with the calipers I just can't figure this out. Do I measure the whole bolt or just the shaft to get the size? And how do I tell the t-nuts apart? The hex keys obviously won't mesh with threaded holes! Also.. I've got 10 M4 bolts with VERY thick heads.. they stand out greatly compared to all the other bolts in the kit. But the package the bolts came in, doesn't mention a single M4 bolt that comes in a 10 count! I'll see if I can get a picture up with them. Once I can get the bolts sorted out this should be a breeze to put together otherwise!
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 03:11PM |
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 03:30PM |
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I just put one of these things together and I'm starting to think that I have a bad power supply, and I'm hoping someone can clarify for me. I was able to flash the board and repartier connects just fine. However when using repartier the motors do not move at all. Additionally, on the power supply the fan does not run and the LED light is not lit. I used my multimeter to confirm that the line and Neutral contacts (8 & 9) show ~115V AC. However the DC voltage between the output contacts is measuring at only 0.75V. As I said I'm fairly certain this due to a bad power supply, but I'm curious if anyone else had any bright ideas. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 03:39PM |
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Thanks for the help guys! Yeah, once I got the digital calipers I had around out, and started measuring right, everything finally came together for sorting out stuff. I used a big plastic parts cabinet, those little things with the translucent white plastic drawers you put nuts and bolts and small tools into? Yeah, sorted all my bolts and the like into it. Once I realized the bolts basically all came with extras things went so much more smoothly too! Also nabbed a set of very fine-ended long-nose pliers, those were invaluable! I would go so far as to say they should update the build guide to say metric calipers and good, small needlenose pliers are also required tools, especially for those less inclined to mechanical work.Oh and lighting.. can't stress enough to have GOOD lighting around your preferred work area! I will probably post again before this is done, I'm sure some part of the real build is going to aggravate me! ;D
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Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 05:13PM |
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Thats exactly what im expecting it to do, lower the hotend past where the sensor says it should stop by .3mmQuote
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That means that your telling your printer that your bed leveling probe is only 0.3 mm above the level of your nozzle. When it probes for zero and senses the bed, it will bring the Z axis down an additional 0.3 mm when it's ready to print. You have to adjust this number until the distance at that point is the thickness of card stock or about 0.1 mm. What are you seeing? You say it's 'literally doing nothing'. Compared to what?
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 05:31PM |
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Changing #define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_FROM_EXTRUDER -0.3 literally does nothing... Why?
Here is my configuration.h
ANY help is appreciated! Please?
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Changing #define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_FROM_EXTRUDER -0.3 literally does nothing... Why?
Here is my configuration.h
ANY help is appreciated! Please?
you have the following in your Configuration.h file
#ifdef CUSTOM_M_CODES
#define CUSTOM_M_CODE_SET_Z_PROBE_OFFSET 851
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MIN -15
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MAX -5
I would change to
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MAX 1 // not sure it can be 0
so that -0.3 is in range
//just looking at code I have no idea what the hardware is doing.
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See! I knew I'd have to post again! I was building the lower frame.. got all the 2020 bars together.. then I hit a MAJOR SNAG! I don't have any set screws for the L brackets that hold the 2020 bars together!! Or if I do I can't tell what they are! Someone please help.. maybe my kit didn't ship with them?
The brackets in question. I don't remember seeing any screws included with these!
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See! I knew I'd have to post again! I was building the lower frame.. got all the 2020 bars together.. then I hit a MAJOR SNAG! I don't have any set screws for the L brackets that hold the 2020 bars together!! Or if I do I can't tell what they are! Someone please help.. maybe my kit didn't ship with them?
The brackets in question. I don't remember seeing any screws included with these!
Those headless M4? set screws. If not for the couplers they belong here. The couplers may already have them.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 08:07PM |
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Changing #define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_FROM_EXTRUDER -0.3 literally does nothing... Why?
Here is my configuration.h
ANY help is appreciated! Please?
you have the following in your Configuration.h file:
#ifdef CUSTOM_M_CODES
#define CUSTOM_M_CODE_SET_Z_PROBE_OFFSET 851
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MIN -15
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MAX -5
I would change to:
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MAX 1 // not sure it can be 0
//so that -0.3 is in range, i.e. -0.3 isn't between -15 an -5
//just looking at code I have no idea what the hardware is doing.
Re: Folger Tech 2020 i3 Printer Kit (Official Thread) March 11, 2016 09:56PM |
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UltiFix
Changing #define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_FROM_EXTRUDER -0.3 literally does nothing... Why?
Here is my configuration.h
ANY help is appreciated! Please?
you have the following in your Configuration.h file:
#ifdef CUSTOM_M_CODES
#define CUSTOM_M_CODE_SET_Z_PROBE_OFFSET 851
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MIN -15
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MAX -5
I would change to:
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MAX 1 // not sure it can be 0
//so that -0.3 is in range, i.e. -0.3 isn't between -15 an -5
//just looking at code I have no idea what the hardware is doing.
Yea, good spotting. It won't allow anything outside of -5 to -15. Mine is >>>
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MIN -20
#define Z_PROBE_OFFSET_RANGE_MAX 20
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