Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 15, 2016 08:27AM |
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Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 15, 2016 12:55PM |
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I just use blue painters tape, no problem with sticking. Bed leveling is the key.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 03:33AM |
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@ gwc2795
Thinking about it I think it would be better if instead of posting all the stuff I typed in my previous posts about problems and answers just post a link to it from your very first post #1 but with a short summery of the issue.
Would still be helpful if the final post of the issue with conclusion was in.
Issue:
Possible cause:
Possible fix / solution:
Personally after tweaking the bearings I'm still stuck with
Issue: Cold boot / blank LCD / one red flash of the LED on the Melzi pcb......
[attachment 69826 small-WP_20160115_002.jpg]
Starting to think it would be better to leave it powered up 24/7 but I don't have a power meter to tell me how much juice the P802M sucks up in idle mode all with everything off. Can anyone out there tell us how much power the P802M sucks from the wall?
Possible cause: Dead / corrupt board.
Possible fix / solution: Checked the wiring and it's all good. Maybe re-flash the firmware? Haven't got a clue how though.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 03:34AM |
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ISSUE: Screen flickering on Zonestar Prusa / Reboot mid-print. When not printing it is fine, as soon as heated bed is on, extruder on and print in progress, my LCD would flicker and sometimes the printer reboots.
POSSIBLE CAUSE: The issue is the 5v step down voltage regulator on the Melzi print control board. When I measured the voltage output of the regulator when not printing it was fine, when measured during a print, the voltage fluctuated a lot and sagged, causing the printer to reboot. I suspect the cause is either a faulty regulator or something consuming excessive current. See my youtube video [www.youtube.com]
SOLUTION: There are multiple solutions, solution 1 is the easiest and its what I do now, printer works perfectly.
1) Change the Melzi jumper switch to power the control board through the USB circuit and not the voltage regulator, and plug in a USB cable to the computer or mains adapter.
2) Unplug the LCD screen and print using USB cable (some people have reported that this works)
3) Replace the voltage regulator on the control board with one which can handle higher current.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 03:44AM |
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gwc2795
I can not over emphasize that you make sure the power wires from the power supply to the Melzi board are firmly attached at both the power supply the Melzi board. The Amount of power drawn by the extruder and the bed heater will cause rebooting if the connections are not tight. How do I know this? I have 4 of these printers and it drove me partially insane until I discovered a loose connection.
Good Luck
i did check all connections. The problem remains.
[www.dropbox.com] video of the problem
[www.dropbox.com] picture of the problem
[www.dropbox.com] picture of the problem
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 05:47AM |
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gwc2795
I just use blue painters tape, no problem with sticking. Bed leveling is the key.
you have the auto-leveling add on?
What's the way? I use a "spirit level" and check so many times the four angle and the center with the "classic" paper sheet beetween nozzle and the bed but still have issues...
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 06:29AM |
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gwc2795
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gwc2795
I just use blue painters tape, no problem with sticking. Bed leveling is the key.
you have the auto-leveling add on?
What's the way? I use a "spirit level" and check so many times the four angle and the center with the "classic" paper sheet beetween nozzle and the bed but still have issues...
Make sure the x axis rods are the same distance from the y axis rods, that way the two axis will be parallel. Then lower the nozzle tip close to a corner of the bed and put a sheet of paper between the bed and the nozzle tip. Continue to adjust the tip lower using the adjusting nuts on the bottom of the bed support frame until you feel resistance when you move the paper, Repeat this procedure at all four corners. Then you have to do it again and again and again ... until you fell the the resistance at all four corners.
Using a level puts the bed level with the surface of the earth but the not parallel to the x axis.
Don't get frustrated this method works. I check for distance between X and Y axis each day before printing starts because skipped steps by the Z axis stepper motors gets them out of parallel.
I have the auto leveling turned on but it will not compensate correctly if the X and Y axis are not parallel.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 07:59AM |
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Gatchaman
@ gwc2795
Thinking about it I think it would be better if instead of posting all the stuff I typed in my previous posts about problems and answers just post a link to it from your very first post #1 but with a short summery of the issue.
Would still be helpful if the final post of the issue with conclusion was in.
Issue:
Possible cause:
Possible fix / solution:
Personally after tweaking the bearings I'm still stuck with
Issue: Cold boot / blank LCD / one red flash of the LED on the Melzi pcb......
[attachment 69826 small-WP_20160115_002.jpg]
Starting to think it would be better to leave it powered up 24/7 but I don't have a power meter to tell me how much juice the P802M sucks up in idle mode all with everything off. Can anyone out there tell us how much power the P802M sucks from the wall?
Possible cause: Dead / corrupt board.
Possible fix / solution: Checked the wiring and it's all good. Maybe re-flash the firmware? Haven't got a clue how though.
All P802M has a faulty back plate for the LCD!!
the LCD has a pot to adjust the contrast.
The back plate is totally wrongly installed, I think to save some screw/nuts.....
there's no spacing nuts that raise high enough to NOT compress the pot when you install the LCD onto the top frame!!
consequently, when you tied the holding screws to secure the LCD onto the frame, you will inevitably compress the back acrylic agaist the pot and causing all sort of issue....
fix:
1- de assemble the back plate and align the location of the pot and drill a hole so the pot is free been touching/compressed.
2- install spacing nuts, so when compressed it won't press the pot
hope this is of help
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 08:32AM |
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gwc2795
I can not over emphasize that you make sure the power wires from the power supply to the Melzi board are firmly attached at both the power supply the Melzi board. The Amount of power drawn by the extruder and the bed heater will cause rebooting if the connections are not tight. How do I know this? I have 4 of these printers and it drove me partially insane until I discovered a loose connection.
Good Luck
i did check all connections. The problem remains.
[www.dropbox.com] video of the problem
[www.dropbox.com] picture of the problem
[www.dropbox.com] picture of the problem
patrisio,
try to replace your USB cable and also try to change the usb port that you are using.
it looks like the USB/serial tried to connect to the board, but the connection fails.
you did not mention, if the restart would hapen also when the printer is stand alone (meaning un plugged fro the PC)
you need to isolate variables and maybe to uninstall FTDI driver and re install again, or verify the version of the FTDI since the newst version proven to have issue due to the clone chip is unsuported by the FTDI mfg.
hope this helps
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 09:43AM |
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Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 02:27PM |
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Patrisio
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gwc2795
I can not over emphasize that you make sure the power wires from the power supply to the Melzi board are firmly attached at both the power supply the Melzi board. The Amount of power drawn by the extruder and the bed heater will cause rebooting if the connections are not tight. How do I know this? I have 4 of these printers and it drove me partially insane until I discovered a loose connection.
Good Luck
i did check all connections. The problem remains.
[www.dropbox.com] video of the problem
[www.dropbox.com] picture of the problem
[www.dropbox.com] picture of the problem
patrisio,
try to replace your USB cable and also try to change the usb port that you are using.
it looks like the USB/serial tried to connect to the board, but the connection fails.
you did not mention, if the restart would hapen also when the printer is stand alone (meaning un plugged fro the PC)
you need to isolate variables and maybe to uninstall FTDI driver and re install again, or verify the version of the FTDI since the newst version proven to have issue due to the clone chip is unsuported by the FTDI mfg.
hope this helps
Hello Bobyni,
Thanks for the reply,
The printer also keeps booting when the printer is stand alone. the re install of the drivers on mij pc i will try that any way. But ia have tried it on my desktop and laptop (both i7 and windows 10). i have even tried to set the jumper to usb power. still no succes.
Even tried to chance the frimware. but the Arduino program says com3 is busy when i am trying to upload.
Patrisio
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 02:30PM |
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you still don't have levels bed.Quote
glimpse79
Here some result.. the keyring in my opinion is good, the plane have some probs, what you suggest? what could be the causes?
You can see your skirt perimeter is uneven.
The left side is too close to the nozzle and the right side is too far
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 03:40PM |
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Patrisio
If you have disconnected your usb cable from the Melzi board and it still reboot by it self, try to disconnect all the connectors one by one to see if any of them would cause the reboot been stopped.
You need to isolate the board from any other cable that is connected to it.
This way, you could see wether the board is defective or something is causing the board to reset.
If the end, if the board is connected only from the power supply and no other cable are connected to it and ONLY the LCD is connected , then, film it and send it to the vendor to ask a board replacement!
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 05:32PM |
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you still don't have levels bed.Quote
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Here some result.. the keyring in my opinion is good, the plane have some probs, what you suggest? what could be the causes?
You can see your skirt perimeter is uneven.
The left side is too close to the nozzle and the right side is too far
Really non easy I'll try more and more..
But also.. what is a good kit to add auto leveling to my printer?
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 06:05PM |
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you still don't have levels bed.Quote
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Here some result.. the keyring in my opinion is good, the plane have some probs, what you suggest? what could be the causes?
You can see your skirt perimeter is uneven.
The left side is too close to the nozzle and the right side is too far
Really non easy I'll try more and more..
But also.. what is a good kit to add auto leveling to my printer?
The auto bed leveling is nice but it is hard to get it working.
You can contact zonestar3d@aliyun.com for the auto leveling kit. They can also send you the firmware with auto leveling. This is the company that makes the P802M.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 11:34PM |
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Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 11:42PM |
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Patrisio
If you have disconnected your usb cable from the Melzi board and it still reboot by it self, try to disconnect all the connectors one by one to see if any of them would cause the reboot been stopped.
You need to isolate the board from any other cable that is connected to it.
This way, you could see wether the board is defective or something is causing the board to reset.
If the end, if the board is connected only from the power supply and no other cable are connected to it and ONLY the LCD is connected , then, film it and send it to the vendor to ask a board replacement!
Hello Bobyni,
I have disconnected al cables then the board is still rebooting. in this case 14 times and then it halted.
I have contacted my vendor. The are willing to solve the problem but their vendor says we are not taking it back. because the shipped the printer to my vendor in october. They say that my vendor has no warrenty left on the product. The fault came on my printer in Januari. My vendor has no printer left. and is not going to sell 3d printers anymore.
I found out that my printers melzi board is no longer for sale as a part. i have bougt an other replacement. My vendor says when its in and working. The want my bank numbers and the wil refund me that replacement board.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 16, 2016 11:46PM |
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you could adjust half turns when it is applying the skirt and see the outcome live...Quote
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Bobyni
you still don't have levels bed.Quote
glimpse79
Here some result.. the keyring in my opinion is good, the plane have some probs, what you suggest? what could be the causes?
You can see your skirt perimeter is uneven.
The left side is too close to the nozzle and the right side is too far
Really non easy I'll try more and more..
But also.. what is a good kit to add auto leveling to my printer?
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 17, 2016 05:23AM |
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Patrisio
If you have disconnected your usb cable from the Melzi board and it still reboot by it self, try to disconnect all the connectors one by one to see if any of them would cause the reboot been stopped.
You need to isolate the board from any other cable that is connected to it.
This way, you could see wether the board is defective or something is causing the board to reset.
If the end, if the board is connected only from the power supply and no other cable are connected to it and ONLY the LCD is connected , then, film it and send it to the vendor to ask a board replacement!
Hello Bobyni,
I have disconnected al cables then the board is still rebooting. in this case 14 times and then it halted.
I have contacted my vendor. The are willing to solve the problem but their vendor says we are not taking it back. because the shipped the printer to my vendor in october. They say that my vendor has no warrenty left on the product. The fault came on my printer in Januari. My vendor has no printer left. and is not going to sell 3d printers anymore.
I found out that my printers melzi board is no longer for sale as a part. i have bougt an other replacement. My vendor says when its in and working. The want my bank numbers and the wil refund me that replacement board.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 17, 2016 09:18AM |
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Bobyni
Patrisio
If you have disconnected your usb cable from the Melzi board and it still reboot by it self, try to disconnect all the connectors one by one to see if any of them would cause the reboot been stopped.
You need to isolate the board from any other cable that is connected to it.
This way, you could see wether the board is defective or something is causing the board to reset.
If the end, if the board is connected only from the power supply and no other cable are connected to it and ONLY the LCD is connected , then, film it and send it to the vendor to ask a board replacement!
Hello Bobyni,
I have disconnected al cables then the board is still rebooting. in this case 14 times and then it halted.
I have contacted my vendor. The are willing to solve the problem but their vendor says we are not taking it back. because the shipped the printer to my vendor in october. They say that my vendor has no warrenty left on the product. The fault came on my printer in Januari. My vendor has no printer left. and is not going to sell 3d printers anymore.
I found out that my printers melzi board is no longer for sale as a part. i have bougt an other replacement. My vendor says when its in and working. The want my bank numbers and the wil refund me that replacement board.
I accidentally shorted my Melzi board and I ordered this on [www.aliexpress.com]
I asked if they would load the firmware for the P802M and they did, A plug and play replacement with very fast shipping and a great price.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 17, 2016 12:10PM |
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Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 17, 2016 04:59PM |
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woutwoot
Something different, have any of you managed to print ABS without it warping?
I can only get my bed to go to about 92 max, while the recommended bed temp for ABS is 110.
Every time I print in ABS I start to see warping after a few layers. PLA works fine. I've tried hairspray and tape as adhesive, both without success.
Any tips for printing ABS on this printer?
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 17, 2016 05:02PM |
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Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 17, 2016 06:22PM |
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I've also had the same issue with 3d star on the melzi board. They've sent the firmware but the instructions are terrible. Read the reprap and repetier sites as you need to use the correct arduino IDE and board info to load it. If you can I've logged a dispute as I can't re-flash the board.
Any help would be good for me I really don't want to have to buy another board
Any ideas on how to solve the problem on the arduino IDE not connecting I've tried the usual moving com ports.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 17, 2016 08:21PM |
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Scottjar
I've also had the same issue with 3d star on the melzi board. They've sent the firmware but the instructions are terrible. Read the reprap and repetier sites as you need to use the correct arduino IDE and board info to load it. If you can I've logged a dispute as I can't re-flash the board.
Any help would be good for me I really don't want to have to buy another board
Any ideas on how to solve the problem on the arduino IDE not connecting I've tried the usual moving com ports.
Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 18, 2016 05:30AM |
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Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 18, 2016 08:41AM |
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Re: P802M Prusa i3 Unofficial Support Thread January 18, 2016 04:34PM |
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Bobyni
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Scottjar
I've also had the same issue with 3d star on the melzi board. They've sent the firmware but the instructions are terrible. Read the reprap and repetier sites as you need to use the correct arduino IDE and board info to load it. If you can I've logged a dispute as I can't re-flash the board.
Any help would be good for me I really don't want to have to buy another board
Any ideas on how to solve the problem on the arduino IDE not connecting I've tried the usual moving com ports.
the info you provide is very limited.
what version of the FTDI driver you used,
did you power cycle every time your PC after disconnecting your Melzi from your PC?
have you moved your jumper on your Melzi to select power type (USB/VCC)?
every time you want to flash your board you would have to use the USB powering the MElsi in order to get connected to your PC.
and the bouad rate to set at 115200 ,,,etc
hope this helps