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That's an intriguing design. Once again I like the open bed. I've bookmarked that site and I'll keep an eye on it.
I'm still going to build a Prusa, though, at least for my first printer. Sticking with the tried and true designs that have been well established in the community has served me well thus far. I use a popular distro of Linux, I use brand name Raspberry Pis and Arduinos, etc. There's simply more advice out there that way.
What hot end does the Folger kit come with? I can't find any information on it.
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160 pages of miseries.
I would anticipate a lot of issues out of a very cheap printer marketed to beginners and whoever else wants to pay $200 for a device that usually costs $2000.
My ability, knowledge and experience: I'm an aircraft mechanic trained and experienced with rigging flight and engine controls, an Arduino and Raspberry Pi hobbyist with several robotics projects under my belt, and dozens of hours of experience using a 3D printer. I also have a few friends who work for printer manufacturers.
I expect to ditch the stock hot end for an E3D unit, since I know they work. And I'll add one or two part cooler fans, per this video: [youtu.be]
Or, are there parts or design problems? If so, I'll cancel the order here and now.
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160 pages of miseries.
I would anticipate a lot of issues out of a very cheap printer marketed to beginners and whoever else wants to pay $200 for a device that usually costs $2000.
My ability, knowledge and experience: I'm an aircraft mechanic trained and experienced with rigging flight and engine controls, an Arduino and Raspberry Pi hobbyist with several robotics projects under my belt, and dozens of hours of experience using a 3D printer. I also have a few friends who work for printer manufacturers.
I expect to ditch the stock hot end for an E3D unit, since I know they work. And I'll add one or two part cooler fans, per this video: [youtu.be]
Or, are there parts or design problems? If so, I'll cancel the order here and now.
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Re: Questions before I begin building May 16, 2016 03:24AM |
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I do find that things are popular for a reason, and sometimes that reason is price.
Watching that video series by Tech2C I linked to, a Prusa seems to be a capable basic printer with plenty of room for improvement. One thing he did was install some diagonal bracing. I'm tempted to do something similar to mine.
3D printing is a skill. I've heard it said that a 3D printer is not a device, it's a person. It's not an Epson where you mash the button and it spits out perfect. Maybe we'll get there, but that's not where we're at.
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I do find that things are popular for a reason, and sometimes that reason is price.
Watching that video series by Tech2C I linked to, a Prusa seems to be a capable basic printer with plenty of room for improvement. One thing he did was install some diagonal bracing. I'm tempted to do something similar to mine.
3D printing is a skill. I've heard it said that a 3D printer is not a device, it's a person. It's not an Epson where you mash the button and it spits out perfect. Maybe we'll get there, but that's not where we're at.
Indeed, the Prusa is neat, not the best (I prefer a setu p where the bed only moves in Z) but a good compromise that makes part easy and cheap. I put braces, it is one of the first thing to do. Two Al profile, brackets and 5cm of M6 threaded rods to bring the vertical "plate", vertical !
You have to install the printer on something flat and sturdy. I use a 40mm thick 50cm by 50cm kitchen table top. No need for a granite slab
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I do find that things are popular for a reason, and sometimes that reason is price.
Watching that video series by Tech2C I linked to, a Prusa seems to be a capable basic printer with plenty of room for improvement. One thing he did was install some diagonal bracing. I'm tempted to do something similar to mine.
3D printing is a skill. I've heard it said that a 3D printer is not a device, it's a person. It's not an Epson where you mash the button and it spits out perfect. Maybe we'll get there, but that's not where we're at.
Indeed, the Prusa is neat, not the best (I prefer a setu p where the bed only moves in Z) but a good compromise that makes part easy and cheap. I put braces, it is one of the first thing to do. Two Al profile, brackets and 5cm of M6 threaded rods to bring the vertical "plate", vertical !
You have to install the printer on something flat and sturdy. I use a 40mm thick 50cm by 50cm kitchen table top. No need for a granite slab
If you go to the top of the page, you'll see that he 'pulled the trigger' on a Folger Tech 2020. This is a very sturdy frame design with no need for extra braces. At least mine is that way. There is no wobble anywhere, perhaps because of the power supply being an integral part of the frame. Setting your speeds high doesn't necessarily mean you ever get that high. Most of the time you're in the acceleration phase according to 'Tom".
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I do find that things are popular for a reason, and sometimes that reason is price.
Watching that video series by Tech2C I linked to, a Prusa seems to be a capable basic printer with plenty of room for improvement. One thing he did was install some diagonal bracing. I'm tempted to do something similar to mine.
3D printing is a skill. I've heard it said that a 3D printer is not a device, it's a person. It's not an Epson where you mash the button and it spits out perfect. Maybe we'll get there, but that's not where we're at.
Indeed, the Prusa is neat, not the best (I prefer a setu p where the bed only moves in Z) but a good compromise that makes part easy and cheap. I put braces, it is one of the first thing to do. Two Al profile, brackets and 5cm of M6 threaded rods to bring the vertical "plate", vertical !
You have to install the printer on something flat and sturdy. I use a 40mm thick 50cm by 50cm kitchen table top. No need for a granite slab
If you go to the top of the page, you'll see that he 'pulled the trigger' on a Folger Tech 2020. This is a very sturdy frame design with no need for extra braces. At least mine is that way. There is no wobble anywhere, perhaps because of the power supply being an integral part of the frame. Setting your speeds high doesn't necessarily mean you ever get that high. Most of the time you're in the acceleration phase according to 'Tom".
The Folger Tech 2020 si NOT sturdy. It will require braces too.
Any way, the same kind of modifications I made for my Geetech will be a great benefit. The way the Z motors are mounted is worse than the Geetech the M5 threaded rods (M5 ? totally INSANE) are hanging from the motor with ELASTIC coupling !!!
True, the Folger can be modified the same way and made a lot better. The small plus is that the Folger is made with extruded profile and the company is located in the US although it is obvious the parts used are mainly Chinese too.
So he didn't lose his money.
As for the speed, don't worry, it really prints faster and my motors run cool. I posted video BTW.
To summarize, the only risk for av8r1 is a heart attack when he will see the poor bearings, rods, bolts, clamps etc... compared to what is used in an airplane
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I am curious as to how/why you think the 2020 needs braces since you have a GEEHAW, not a 2020. Sure you can add braces to anything but is it necessary to make a good print? NO!
As for the hanging rod on the elastic coupling, what difference does it make whether the X carriage is putting the coupling in tension or compression (motor on the bottom)? Either way there is possible flex UNLESS you do the upgrade that most people do early on and print extensions for the Z motors which also incorporates a bearing that the coupling sits on and eliminates any chance of springiness. True that the 5 mm rod leaves a lot to be desired BUT those that are using 4 flight lead screws have an 8 mm pitch, which strains the Z motors and reduces the precision over the lowly 5 mm rods because each step moves it a much greater distance.
AV8R1 isn't buying a Cessna Skyhawk, he's buying a starter 3D printer that won't require an Aviation Maintenance Mechanic. AND if he takes his time and aligns things, he'll be making good parts without modifying anything. It's really funny to read a GEEHAW owner putting down another brand for bearings, rods and clamps.. Thanks for the chuckle.
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Three things about the Folger 2020:
1. Don't buy this kit from them, buy their normal Prusa i3 kit. 2020 extrusion is okay, but the hardware that comes with it is total wank. I see what they were trying to accomplish with those T-nuts, and it would have been cool if it had actually worked. Thing is, they don't. So I guess I'll have to re-invent that kind of hardware from scratch, since I obviously can't trust other humans to do it right.
2. I will be rewriting the assembly manual for this printer. As I read and write above the fourth grade level, understand the concept of proofreading, and have basic common sense, I will do a better job than Folger did. The manual from Folger is just embarrassing. It's about as professional as the packet of jellybeans I found in the box. Keep an eye on this thread for documentation written by an adult with proper communication skills.
3. I will reprint all plastic parts on this printer, probably redesigning them from scratch. The bolt holes don't line up with the part they're supposed to be bolted to, and the bearings don't fit. I had to hit one with a hammer to seat it. I've always wondered about using 3D printed parts on a 3D printer, now I know for sure it's a bad idea.
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