QuoteJustAnotherOne QuoteTraumflug Obviously. If you had said 32-bit controllers are faster and allow higher printing speeds on more complex setups, I had even agreed. So here we have it. You both agree that faster clocked chips can achieve higher step rates and support more complex setups. Yep, we clearly agree on that, as it's obvious. But he goes further than that. He implies that a higher sby arthurwolf - Controllers
Yup. Not a surprise, but you just confirmed trying to reason with you is a waste of time, so as everybody has been advising me to do, I'll stop trying ... And next time you publicly claim Smoothie has nothing for it other than it's marketting, or that moving to more powerful microcontrollers has no gain, I'll just link people to this post. Enough explained here.by arthurwolf - Controllers
Edit : just to save some time and prevent Traumflug from further attempted word play : in this message when I refer to "32bits microcontrollers", you can simply replace that by "more powerful microcontrollers in general". Because yes Traumflug, a 1 GHz 8-bit microcontroller, is -not- less powerfull than a 1KHz 32-bit microcontroller, you are absolutely correct. QuoteTraumflug QuotearthurwolfQuotby arthurwolf - Controllers
Quotedc42 The 32-bit boards have other advantages too, such as software control of motor currents, built-in web interface, and high speed uploading to the SD card (via HTTP or FTP in the case of the Duet). You could do digital control of motor currents with an 8-bit solution, I think the RAMBO implements this. Quotedc42 but not the other two. There are many other things 32bits boards can do tby arthurwolf - Controllers
QuoteTraumflug QuotearthurwolfSmoothie generates a smoother step pulse, does more precise acceleration, does longer look-ahead, has much better delta support, fixes issues that 8-bit firmwares do not or can not fix. Smoother than what? More precise that what? Better than what? And again, all these are properties of firmware, open to any board. It was implied : "than 8-bit boards running the currby arthurwolf - Controllers
Quotedc42 Worth pointing out that it's not just the Smoothie that has more user-friendly configuration, better step pulse timing, more precise acceleration etc. because RepRapFirmware on Duet electronics does all that too. I hear your web interface is very nice too. Do you have screenshots of it somewhere ? Quotedc42 AFAIK it's also the only firmware that calculates the step pulse times on a dby arthurwolf - Controllers
QuoteTraumflug That said, glad to see so many other 32-bit boards. kthx on IRC currently counts 10 such designs. The only really adorable thing about Smoothie is its marketing. Arthur got that really right. Just saw a review video of Thomas Sandlander and had to watch how he cheers on how you "just edit a text file for configuration" and praises it as revolutionary and new. In fact it's the exactby arthurwolf - Controllers
QuoteMindRealm Not meaning to poke anyone in particular, but I have been in the electronics business for a fairly long time and while there are arguments for integrated solutions (having the MCU, drivers, regulators, MOSFETs, etc. on one board), these are problematic in case of a component failure (or damage by a novice). Well in this case the thing is : the added modularity of the pololus, isby arthurwolf - Reprappers
Quotedougal1957 The things I like about the Smoothie is the way the Config's are done Firmware updates are the easiet of them all (No Arduino environment needed to compile your firmware first which is needed on both the Ramps and the RADDS solutions) the Duet is also easy in the way the config is done (Possibly even easier than the Smoothie as the file is smaller and I'm sure that Arthur won't mby arthurwolf - Reprappers
QuoteZavashier @Arthur, communication is problematic with you. It's the seccond time I saw you investing a topic and trying to close the mouth of anybody who are not amazed by your board. That's absolutely not what happened here. You made statements about Smoothieboard and other subjects that I find are inexact or false, and I tried to correct them. And in my answers I am not even giving myby arthurwolf - Reprappers
QuoteZavashier Easy sayings Dentist. To most of people, budget matters. Expensive does not always mean good, The point is : in this case it does. QuoteZavashier and inexpensive does not always mean cheap. The point is : in this case it does too. There are some very expensive electronics that are not that good ( thinking r2c2 here ), and some quite cheap electronics that are pretty good. Buby arthurwolf - Reprappers
QuoteZavashier Second, the price. A reprap with a ramps that's a 250-500€ budget. Most repraps are within that range. A smoothieboard increases the budget of at last 40%. Yeah ... that's assuming you are using one of those extremely cheap chinese RAMPs that are not made to specs and that the community keeps continuously get reports of them dying all the time. If you get a good quality RAMPS orby arthurwolf - Reprappers
QuoteMindRealm SmoothieBoard has the stepper drivers built into the board, so if one fails, you can't just plug in another one... I'll stick with RAMPS. As others have said, there are connections for external drivers, so if you burn a driver, you can just wire an external one, which makes this essentially equivalent to a RAMPs in case of failure. Also, a failure is much less likely on a Smoothiby arthurwolf - Reprappers
QuoteEmbed I think I'm going with the megatronics. I don't like using anything too new. Let others work out the bugs. Any thoughts on software? I'm on a windows machine, not Linux. Smoothie is definitely not new. It's more than 3 years old, has thousands of users, and is very well ironed out. It is also much simpler to configure/learn than the other solutions, as others have pointed out. We alby arthurwolf - Reprappers
Hello everybody ! The Smoothie project is organizing a contest in which you have the opportunity to participate in a great Open-Source project, and to win a Smoothieboard. What’s a Smoothie ? The Smoothie project’s objective is to design a controller board and associated firmware, with the following goals : all Open-Source, simple to use and configure, using powerful hardware, feature-rich, anby arthurwolf - Controllers
QuoteZavashier Le 24v c'est surtout bien pour les choses qui chauffent, . En fait non, le principal avantage du 24V c'est pour les moteurs pas a pas : on gagné énormement de vitesse potentielle et de couple en passant a 24V. Le fait qu'on ait maintenant des éléments chauffants et des buses 24V est venu -apres- que les gens aient commencé a controller leurs moteurs avec du 24V.by arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
QuoteZavashier Au moins rends-toi compte que ton discours est radical. Pour le reste c'était de l'humour, en as-tu ? Je ne me rends pas compte que mon discours est radical, et j'aimerai que tu m'expliques en quoi il est radical. Je ne fais qu'exposer des faits. Et traiter les gens d'integristes ca te fait peut-etre rire toi, mais ne t'étonne pas que ca ne fasse pas rire les gens que tu insultby arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
QuoteZavashier Une chose est sûre, c'est que tu ne change pas de discours arthurwolf. On est pas loin de l'intégrisme électronique, lol ! Je ne change de discours que quand on me donne une bonne raison de changer de discours, je vois pas en quoi ca s'approche de l'intégrisme ...by arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
QuoteZavashier A ce prix, ReprapDiscount porte mal son nom, il ne manquerait plus que la qualité ne soit pas là ! Pour le 24v autant tout prendre en 24v, cartouche chauffante pour la buse, ventilos et tout. C'est plus cher, mais autant ne pas s'embêter avec deux tensions différentes. Pour les pièces MendelMax 1.5 je ne peux pas t'aider. Quand ReprapDiscount a été lancé, ils étaient facilement deby arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
Quotesuitengu Quotearthurwolf Indépendemment de ca, meme si les gens font tout bien, les RAMPS chinoises les moins cheres ne sont pas faites aux specs et sont donc dangereuses, MEME SI bien utilisées. Qu'est-ce qu'il faut pas inventer pour justifier d'acheter une ramps 50€ en France chez un mec qui achète les même carte que tout le monde à 8€ sur aliexpress... J'ai dit d'acheter en France ? Noby arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
Quotesuitengu Quotearthurwolf C'est ce que je me tue a expliquer : si tu suis la commaunauté irc anglophone, il y a une une tres forte augmentation du nombre de problemes de ce genre depuis l'apparition de ces boards. Donc : 1. Il y a plusieurs raisons de penser que ces boards sont dangereuses quand on voit comment elles sont fabriquées. 2. Il y a eu une claire augmentation des problemes depuisby arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
Quotepierrelesek Je suis d'accord personnellement de dire qu'on ne peut pas affirmer que les Ramps chinoises soit dangereuses, sur les fiches techniques elles écrivent bien qu'elles ont les PCB en 2oz, est-ce vrai ou pas je n'ai pas les outils actuellement pour le vérifier, et vu la quantité de Ramps qu'ils doivent vendre par jour, je pense qu'on aurai des retours de Reprap cramés si jamais ellesby arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
QuoteZavashier QuotearthurwolfSi tu veux des fabriquants qui font des RAMPS en suivant les specifications, cherche ReprapDiscount, et Ultimachine ( il y en a d'autres ). Je ne connais pas Ultimachine, C'est les créateurs de la RAMPS. QuoteZavashierje vais me pencher là dessus, merci pour le tuyau. Les autres bonnes références sont les bienvenues, si vous les connaissez. A l'inverse, j'ai deuxby arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
QuoteZavashier Il ne faut pas rêver, à part la Mega compatible, c'est la même qualité qu'ailleurs. Aujourd'hui tous ces trucs : PCB, endstops, écrans, tout sort de la même usine, peu importe le prix que l'on paie... Archi faux. Il y a plusieurs usines qui produisent les RAMPS de nos jours, avec de tres variés niveaux de qualité ! Et a peu de choses pres les prix refletent ces niveaux de qualitby arthurwolf - RepRap Groupe d'Utilisateurs Francophone
QuoteTraumflug Please try to swallow it: there are no custom privileges for Smoothieboard. I have never asked for any kind of privileges. What you are trying to say here is : " I Traumflug treat Arthur's edits about Smoothieboard the same way I would treat any other edits about anything, I do not treat them worse, and I don't think they should be treated better ". Am I correct that is what youby arthurwolf - Administration, Announcements, Policy
Hi ! I have an on-going problem with wiki user Traumflug. We have in the past had very strong disagreements on some topics ( for example what defines something as Open-Source ) And we are direct competitors ( we both design/sell Reprap electronics ). Recently, I have been editing the wiki to add information related to Smoothieboard ( both adding information about it, and mentionning it where oby arthurwolf - Administration, Announcements, Policy
Hi ! Smoothie supports the RRD GLCD : You can actually get an adapter board for it at robotseed.com if you want to plug it easily into your Smoothieboard. Also, Smoothiepanel is coming, soonby arthurwolf - General
Hey. Azteeg X5 supports the same voltage as Smoothieboard ( we advertise 12-24V because it's what's most common, but I've run Smoothieboard at 32V and azteeg says 12-30V ) If you are reffering to current, be careful : Smoothieboard has 2A drivers -and- can actually handle up to 2A due to having a large cooling area. The azteeg X5 is quite small, so I'm not sure it can handle the rated 2.5A ( I rby arthurwolf - General
QuotePaul Wanamaker I do plan on adding a thermistor for the chamber.There are extra thermistor inputs on my Rumba (although I plan on replacing that board with a Smoothie). I do not know yet if my firmware (Repetier) can manage chamber temp. That would be the simplest. When you move to Smoothieboard, adding heated chamber control will be as simple as adding a few lines to your configuration fby arthurwolf - General
QuoteChunks87 The only thing more fun to me then actually printing things that I 3d model is designing the 3d printer itself! I'm going to look into the smoothie board and the beagbone black that you mentioned. You can contact me directly at wolf.arthur@gmail.com if you have any question about Smoby arthurwolf - Controllers