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Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.

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A2
Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 23, 2014 06:19PM
I would like to review Airwolf's patent pending hotend. Can some one find it for me, or give me the inventors name, assignee, or company name, etc, I can't find it.

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Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 23, 2014 07:15PM
But how will you review it if you don't have your own printer yet?
A2
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 23, 2014 07:23PM
I want to review their pending patent grinning smiley
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 23, 2014 08:49PM
How about the "CONTACT US" under the "Navigation Menu"?


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A2
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 23, 2014 09:14PM
No. Some one else can, but not I.
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 04:42AM
Patent pending stuff? Are you kidding? It's RepRap here!


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Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 08:52AM
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A2
No. Some one else can, but not I.

And why not?


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Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 11:26AM
I want to learn how to find a pending patent on my own without poking a stick into the bee hive.
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 07:15PM
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A2
I want to learn how to find a pending patent on my own without poking a stick into the bee hive.

If its not published you wont find it.
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 07:49PM
When "patent pending" is claimed it means that a patent application has been filed with the patent office (PTO). Until the patent issues there will be no public disclosure of anything relating to the patent application. So there is nothing for you to search on. If the patent issues or is denied the patent pending notice must be removed. I suspect lots of patents are rejected but they don't remove the patent pending notice in the hopes it will hold off copies. I don't know what happens to all the submissions to the PTO when a patent application is rejected. All four of mine issued, but one was initially rejected then granted on appeal.
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 09:22PM
So nobody can appeal or send in prior work before an patent is issued?

I hate patents...
A2
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 09:27PM
I've always thought that pending patents were not searchable, but from what I have read the new patent laws allows you to present previous art to pending patents.

EFF’s Fight for Open 3D Printing Continues at Ask Patents
The good news is that with the help of the Cyberlaw Clinic at Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet and Society, we’ve been able to challenge a number of such dangerous patent applications at the Patent Office.
The project to challenge patent applications covering 3D printing technology is important not just because of the promise of that technology, but because we’re relying on a fairly new legal procedure called Preissuance Submissions. That procedure allows third parties to participate in the patent application process by providing patent examiners with prior art.1 As we’ve said before, we’re glad to see the Patent Office open up the process to those who might not be filing patents themselves, but who are affected by the patent system everyday.
[www.eff.org]

EEF doesn't point to the new legal procedure, but there is a link suggesting that the USPTO adopt a more open review of pending patents.

EFF Files Comments with PTO Regarding Improving Regulation and Regulatory Review
In our comments we encourage the PTO to employ a broad public participation process that would include public roundtables and hearings. We are hopeful that the PTO will adopt our recommendations and give EFF, its members, and the public at large a meaningful opportunity to participate in future regulatory process.
[www.eff.org]

AskPatents.com: A Stack Exchange To Prevent Bad Patents
The first break we got is a tiny provision in the America Invents Act, the “Patent Reform Act” which, on the face of it, appears to have done absolutely nothing to solve this problem, but if you look closely, there’s a tiny provision in there, which says:

“Any person at any time may cite to the Office in writing prior art consisting of patents or printed publications which that person believes to have a bearing on the patentability of any claim of a particular patent…”

In other words, as of September 16 (2012), the USPTO is required to accept submissions from the public of prior art.

The second lucky break is that we have a very good Director at the USPTO right now, David Kappos. Mr. Kappos, who came from IBM, realized that this provision gave the public an opportunity to help patent examiners identify prior art. But it’s not enough just to allow prior art submissions… you have to find a way to get the public involved in looking through patent applications and trying to find prior art that could prevent bogus claims.

Ask Patents is a new Stack Exchange site launching today that allows anyone to participate in the patent examination process. It’s a collaborative effort, supported by Stack Exchange, the US Patent and Trademark Office, and the Google Patent Search team. It’s very exciting, because it is opening up a process that has been conducted behind closed doors for over 200 years.

Our hope is that Ask Patents will reduce the number of patents mistakenly granted for obvious, unoriginal non-inventions, especially around software, a field that is near and dear to us.

Ask Patents is a collaborative effort, neatly tagged by keywords and classification, and searchable by patent application number. It is inspired by a research project called Peer To Patent, run out of New York Law School. That pilot project, created by Professor Beth Noveck, proved very successful at identifying prior art that the USPTO wouldn’t otherwise have known about.

Citizen volunteers and other interested parties will be able to ask about applications that they think are suspicious. Others can answer, identifying possible prior art, and using our upvote/downvote feature to rate any examples of prior art that other people found.

The USPTO, complying with the new law, will also provide an online system for submitting prior art. We’re also integrating with Google Patent Search, so every patent application on Google will include a link to discussion on Stack Exchange. Google has also implemented an algorithmic prior art search utility that will be helpful to site participants.
[blog.stackoverflow.com]

There used to be a USPTO provisional search option (if a provisional patent was submitted), but I think that is gone now?
A2
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 09:44PM
@Dejay:

I'm for patents, as they disclose very unique information of how to make some thing. If you truly come up with some thing that was thought impossible then you've earned the right for a short period of time of exclusivity.

What is upsetting are patents that are not, (and this is part of the patent law):
1. New.
2 Novel.
3. Or one skilled in the art could'nt have solved.

The last one I find most interesting because what I see being patented are solutions to every day problems, solutions that the average engineer could solve. Patent trolls is the other thing that I find upsetting, closing out competitors by patenting dozens of things that are in some cases have already been done (previous art), or are just a silly change to be different to block competitors is maddening to me.
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 10:03PM
Ah don't get me started on patents grinning smiley
Thanks for the info A2. Gonna have to read up on it later.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2014 10:10PM by Dejay.
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Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 11:20PM
In the US the patent application will be made public 18 months after the filing. If the application is older than 18 it should be available on USPTO.gov. If you don't know the inventors name but know the company name you might find it by searching under "assignee"
A2
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 24, 2014 11:47PM
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FRC
In the US the patent application will be made public 18 months after the filing.

Tks, I didn't know that.

It doesn't matter what pending patent that I look up, I want to learn how to search for one. I did search by company name, but some times a web name is not the same as the company. So I need to figure out how to discover who is behind the curtain.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/25/2014 12:02AM by A2.
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 25, 2014 04:48AM
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A2
I want to review their pending patent grinning smiley

Ahh, ok sorry smiling smiley
But, from the title it sounds otherwise. Now that you explained it's clear to me.

Their design looks almost the same as the Budah from the outside, however, there are ofcourse a lot of small differences in the way it operates. I'm curious to see what you find out.
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 25, 2014 07:34AM
A Patent filed anywhere bound by the PCT (Patent Co-operation Treaty) will have UP-TO but not more than 18 months before it is made public. A patent application can be made to drag out over more than 5 years for a number of reasons, and this control is in the hands of the entity making the application.

Publication will occur after a maximum of 18 months however.

You can also push a patent through to granting much faster aswell if you have the time and resource.

Apologies if i have repeated anything stated above. just an important point to be stated without being submerged within other factual information.
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 25, 2014 10:28AM
From this it seems like Airwolf's president Erick Wolf is actually a patent attourney, specialising in litigation :-)
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 25, 2014 04:45PM
Patent pending can mean two things:

1) A provisional patent has been filed to establish a priority date. These will never see the light of day unless the submitting party releases it themselves. This is cheap ($100) and yet gives some protection to the inventor for his designs so that he can "shop it out" in the marketplace or to other interested parties. This gives a one year protection window before going on to step #2:
2) A design or utility patent has been applied for. These will eventually be published as a part of the patent filing process. The publication of the application does not mean that the patent will issue as submitted. There may be additional changes to the patent before it finally issues.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/25/2014 04:46PM by toybuilder.
A2
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 25, 2014 10:33PM
@Quazzer: Tks! thumbs up

By golly I stumbled upon a good patent pending to learn from!

Reading Mr. Wolfs patent will be educational. Looking forward to seeing how a litigation patent attorney has worded his "invention" to be something that one skilled in the art could not have dreamed of.

If pending patents were reviewed by the inventors peers, I wonder what they would say. Could a peer group review save society from being held back from bogus patents, i.e. patents that hinder true creativity, and the freedom of doing the obvious to one skilled in the art? A review by your peers would be a nice addition to the patent process, but I bet it would cost a ton of money, but maybe it's worth it to society in the long run?

Erick Wolf is a patent attorney registered with the United States Patent and Trademark Office who focuses primarily on patent litigation, patent prosecution, and complex business litigation.
[www.lawyer.com]

Erick Wolf is co-founder of Airwolf 3D and leads the sales and research and development departments. He is an expert in the field of desktop 3D printers and rapid prototyping, having designed the AW3D v.4, 5, 5.5 and XL professional-grade 3D printers. Mr. Wolf earned his Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering from Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in 1997. Mr. Wolf has 20+ of hands-on automotive mechanical experience to compliment his mechanical engineering degree. Mr. Wolf is also an accomplished patent attorney and well versed in the field of intellectual property law as it relates to open source 3D printing technologies.
[airwolf3d.com]

@Mutley3D Tks!
Is it possible for the USPTO to notify you when pending patents are posted?

@toybuilder: Tks!
Provisional patents used to be searchable on the USPTO web site. I recall that they were published automatically with no delay, and not a single letter could be changed if it was to retain it's established date. This is the first I've heard that they will not see the light of day, is there a new law that governs provisional patents?
Re: Airwolf's patent pending hotend. I want to review it.
May 25, 2014 10:46PM
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Reading Mr. Wolfs patent will be educational. Looking forward to seeing how a litigation patent attorney has worded his "invention" to be something that one skilled in the art could not have dreamed of.

My bet is:

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