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New very precise Z probe

Posted by ldanut 
New very precise Z probe
January 31, 2015 07:00PM
Since I was never satisfied with existing solutions for probing the bed for autoleveling I designed a new mechanism that seems to be very precise and its not affected by bed surface or dirty hot end nozzle. This mechanism is under testing and will be available in near future.





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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2015 07:04PM by ldanut.


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Re: New very precise Z probe
February 02, 2015 04:04AM
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ldanut
Since I was never satisfied with existing solutions for probing the bed for autoleveling I designed a new mechanism that seems to be very precise and its not affected by bed surface or dirty hot end nozzle. This mechanism is under testing and will be available in near future.

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That is a very nice mechanism and could also be used for the hall effect sensor as well.

I am wondering why you are using blue tape on a glass bed, there is a much better method of printing onto glass if it is heated.


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Re: New very precise Z probe
February 02, 2015 04:15AM
Yes also I will have a Hall sensor version next. I have ordered customized PBC for hall sensor that is only 20x20mm small and will fit perfectly there.

On my delta printers I use PEI as a bed substrate and works great. No more coating and messy stuff. This is a printer for someone that wants to print with blue tape and this is how I tested. The problem before was that the tip of hot end was making a hole into blue take and measured wrong Z offset.

What method do you use on printing on the glass? That white glue thing diluted with water?
Re: New very precise Z probe
February 02, 2015 04:46AM
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ldanut
Yes also I will have a Hall sensor version next. I have ordered customized PBC for hall sensor that is only 20x20mm small and will fit perfectly there.

On my delta printers I use PEI as a bed substrate and works great. No more coating and messy stuff. This is a printer for someone that wants to print with blue tape and this is how I tested. The problem before was that the tip of hot end was making a hole into blue take and measured wrong Z offset.

What method do you use on printing on the glass? That white glue thing diluted with water?

I have tried all the tapes, glues and hair-sprays, and out of all that I have tried over the last five years, the very best is just sugar and water.
Mix up a little water with some sugar, heat it in a microwave to make it become soluble easier. It should look like thin honey when ready.
Put a very small amount in the centre of the glass and spit on it and then rub it all over the glass to form a thin even layer. (there seems to be something in spit that works a treat)
Tip: Don't use too much, a little goes a long way, but it should be well covered all over the glass.
Heat up the glass as normal, and print.
The print will stick down like you wouldn't believe and is very hard to remove, until you let the bed cool down.When cool, the part will have fallen off by itself. You are then ready to print again and again.
I use several glass plates so that I can just change to another one while the first plate is cooling down (10 minutes max)

Why don't you just try it and then you will know how good it is. It doesn't cost anything really and works the very best.


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Re: New very precise Z probe
February 02, 2015 07:11AM
I never herd about this but sounds very interesting. I will definetly try it. Thanks. I like the fact that you don't have to reapply before each print.


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Re: New very precise Z probe
February 02, 2015 07:43AM
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I never herd about this but sounds very interesting. I will definetly try it. Thanks. I like the fact that you don't have to reapply before each print.

You should be able to get at least a dozen good prints using this method before clean off with water. Just apply again and away you go.
I have had as many as 20 prints off the one coating, but it is important to let it cool before removing the part printed, or you will lift off the sugar coating and wont get as many prints from the same coating.
Two glasses or more makes life very easy, and glass is cheap. I use standard window glass, no need to use the expensive borosilicate glass.


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Re: New very precise Z probe
February 02, 2015 07:45AM
Do you use PLA or ABS? For PLA normal glass is ok since its only 60-70degree but for ABS at 110degree the regular glass can crack very easy from temperature variation.
Re: New very precise Z probe
February 02, 2015 07:46AM
I have mainly used PLA, but ABS works too.


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Re: New very precise Z probe
February 10, 2015 10:41AM
After some testing I can say the probe is working flawlessly. You can find the building details and a firmware that works with it at my home page: [build3dparts.com]

Also if you are interested in an assembly manual for my version of smartrap you can find it here: [build3dparts.com]
Re: New very precise Z probe
March 06, 2015 03:28PM
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ldanut
Do you use PLA or ABS? For PLA normal glass is ok since its only 60-70degree but for ABS at 110degree the regular glass can crack very easy from temperature variation.

Lots of Ormerod users print ABS on ordinary float glass. The Ormerod has a 1.5mm aluminium heat spreader plate between the heater PCB and the glass, which helps to ensure an even temperature.



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Re: New very precise Z probe
March 06, 2015 05:45PM
it's very nice job idanut.. the level system..and the rest smiling smiley congrats. I should try this system. i still have a lot of servos, so its nice to use them smiling smiley


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Re: New very precise Z probe
March 06, 2015 08:47PM
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it's very nice job idanut.. the level system..and the rest smiling smiley congrats. I should try this system. i still have a lot of servos, so its nice to use them smiling smiley

Yes I agree,a very nice job.
I have gone back to servos too, but I am using long reach tactile switches instead of the micro switch. '
The tactile is much smaller, more accurate and has a very much smaller probe tip that is easier to set-up.
Have used it now on at least a dozen machines and all have been perfect.
Tactile switches need to have the logic reverses in Marlin, that is the only change as far as the set up is concerned.


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Re: New very precise Z probe
March 08, 2015 09:23AM
Thanks ... I'm looking forward for feedback from people that are using it so i can improve it. Also i have a version for Hall sensors but use custom small footprint PCB.
Re: New very precise Z probe
March 08, 2015 12:14PM
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After some testing I can say the probe is working flawlessly.

Have you done some repeatability tests on the probe system?
It would be very interesting.
Re: New very precise Z probe
March 11, 2015 07:03PM
I haven't done but I can do it so we can have a better picture. My tests involved printing a lot and see if I need to recalibrate the Z offset after few prints as it happened before. I didn't have to recalibrate the Z offset at all. Whats the best way to do repeatability tests? Just do few times G29 and see the values from console?


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Re: New very precise Z probe
March 11, 2015 10:02PM
Nah. It's M48, I think.
Re: New very precise Z probe
March 11, 2015 11:49PM
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ldanut
I haven't done but I can do it so we can have a better picture. My tests involved printing a lot and see if I need to recalibrate the Z offset after few prints as it happened before. I didn't have to recalibrate the Z offset at all. Whats the best way to do repeatability tests? Just do few times G29 and see the values from console?
From my experience, the micro switches need to be recalibrated after a while of use, the arm seems to bend a little and throw the accuracy out. I went to using the tactile switch with the long button and so far have had no problems at all.


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Re: New very precise Z probe
April 02, 2015 05:21PM
Are the files for this mod posted anywhere?

Thanks,

Jonathan
Re: New very precise Z probe
April 02, 2015 07:36PM
Link to idanut's page with STL's.


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duranza
Are the files for this mod posted anywhere?

Thanks,

Jonathan
Re: New very precise Z probe
April 02, 2015 08:15PM
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duranza
Are the files for this mod posted anywhere?

Thanks,

Jonathan
The servo arm file for the tactile switch is here


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Re: New very precise Z probe
April 03, 2015 05:36PM
Thank you guys. My slide system while it works good. It is not as sturdy as this..
Re: New very precise Z probe
May 31, 2015 02:52AM
I have a few old optical sensors from a regular paper printer I took apart awhile back along with the steel rod (3mm, not the recommended 2.5mm). Will these sensors work (granted if I figure out the wire configuration)? [i.imgur.com]
Re: New very precise Z probe
May 31, 2015 03:37AM
i did the same once but i had to add couple of resistors on the wires and worked fine
Re: New very precise Z probe
June 05, 2015 02:54PM
could i use 9g servo like [www.ebay.co.uk] be used
Re: New very precise Z probe
June 05, 2015 03:43PM
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could i use 9g servo like [www.ebay.co.uk] be used

That will fit just fine
Re: New very precise Z probe
June 05, 2015 03:49PM
You will need a 3.7g servo motor like this. The 9g servo I think its too big.
Re: New very precise Z probe
June 05, 2015 03:52PM
I checked and 9g is 23*12.2*29mm and 3.7g is 22 x 11.5 x 27 mm so you can't use your model.
Re: New very precise Z probe
June 05, 2015 05:20PM
I used a 9g on mine. Just had to file down the wings on the servo where you bolt it down
Re: New very precise Z probe
June 05, 2015 05:26PM
thanks for your fast response
btw ive modified plastic stopper so it can be adjusted from the front and makes it easier for me to adjust
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Re: New very precise Z probe
June 06, 2015 05:28AM
Nice idea ... thanks for sharing.
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