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Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)

Posted by sxt173 
Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
January 14, 2012 03:45PM
I need help... I am on my 3rd hot end design and whatever I do, I cannot get it to work. I will get just a bit of oozing from the tip, but it always ends up jamming. I have tried 3 different designs on the Wade's Accessible Geared Extruder. The main extruder is made of Alumide to stop warping to the tip support. I added a fan to the hot end base with no avail.

I am printing with 1.75mm PLA and have tried 170 degrees, with +20 degree increments all the way up to 250 degrees. I am also checking the temp independently to confirm the tip is hitting the target temp.

Here are pics of my design, any help is appreciated!

- View from fan side: http://goo.gl/8T7M1
- Closeup of heater block and brass tip: http://goo.gl/ssomn
- PEEK bolt attachment & heatsink: http://goo.gl/9G3GO
- Closeup of hobbled bolt: http://goo.gl/L78q6
- Inlet top view: http://goo.gl/ezNvs
*** This is what the PLA looks like when I pull it out (it does melt, but jams): http://goo.gl/yKVz8

Thanks
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
January 15, 2012 07:31AM
are you sure your feed and flow settings are correct? what is the nozzle size?
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
January 15, 2012 11:25AM
The nozzle size is 0.4mm. I can't even get it to extrude when I slowly turn the gear by hand. When I let the stepper motor do it, its the same. The filament stops moving and the gear starts stripping the filament.
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
January 15, 2012 08:02PM
Do you need more spring tension on the wheel?

Ive noticed that I need to adjust that from batch to batch. My most recent batch needed so much more tension that I needed to readjust my trimpot on that motor.

Also, make sure that the path of the fillament is lined up well. Sometimes, mine can wander out of alignment and can cause problems.


Just some ideas
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
January 15, 2012 09:15PM
I'll try adjusting the tension up, but when I test it manually, I've tried pressing in the hinge holding the wheel as much as possible. All it does is strip the filament. I will try moving the heatIng block back a bit to see if it does anything.
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
February 02, 2012 02:12AM
Take the hot end off your machine and power it up in a vice and see if you can extrude by hand. This will give you clues as to what is going wrong.

Extruding by hand should be easy.
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
February 02, 2012 09:50AM
Thanks, I will try that. I think I have one idea on what it may be, my extruder body is printed for 3mm filament and I was trying to push 1.75mm (the tip was 1.75mm, so maybe the filament was bending right before it got to the PTFE "cold" area.
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
February 02, 2012 01:23PM
maybe worth trying a fan on the heat sink or do as i do add a steel clamp (like on those soldering mates) around the barrel with a small magnet so you can keep adding washers, most of my jams are due to heat traveling up the barrel. But if you are pushing 1.75 through a 3mm hole then fix that first, it will bend under pressure.
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
February 02, 2012 03:16PM
I'll definitely try that after I swicth my nozzle back to 3mm tonight. Do you by any chance have pics of the magnet/washer setup?

hexitex Wrote:
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> add a steel clamp (like on those soldering
> mates) around the barrel with a small magnet so
> you can keep adding washers
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
February 02, 2012 08:21PM
mate, i can't take it apart now, done some bed calibration but.. i took some pics in situ. see attached

sorry about quality,. using a camera phone with no flash!

first pic (under) is showing the clamp and washers

second pic, much of the same but moving you about to get your bearings, so shows the nozzle

third pic (top) is the added heat exchangers (more washers) the magnet is in there somewhere, it is a very small (10mm *3mm *2mm) neodymium i got from an old toothbrush head (Phillips sonicare) to keep them from roaming.
Attachments:
open | download - under.jpg (113.1 KB)
open | download - under2.jpg (81.7 KB)
open | download - top.jpg (66.6 KB)
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
February 08, 2012 07:44PM
Use a countersink bit or a tapered reamer to make a "V" shape in the topmost part of the hot end where it meets the extruder body. This will make it easier to feed filament.

If the extruder is made of 2 or more pieces there may be gaps that the PLA expands into and jams. symptoms are being able to extrude well at first with fresh (room temperature) filament, but it jams soon after.

I got around this problem by making the bore of the PTFE 3.18mm (1/8") and the bore of the barrel 3.5mm. It looks like this:



The outer is PEEK

The top inner is PTFE

The bottom inner is the brass rod

Making interlocking 45ยบ angles with a bit of an overhang prevents the gaps. The PTFE is pressed in after the barrel is screwed in.
Attachments:
open | download - Extruder drawing.jpg (48.7 KB)
Re: Hot tip jamming issue (3rd design, so frustrated...)
February 09, 2012 09:50AM
I mostly resolved my issue: I think the main culprit was that the "feed hole" in the extruder body was for 3mm vs. a 1.75mm hot end.

It seems that as the tip was heating up and transferring some heat up the filament, it basically used the path of least resistance and started buckling right under the hobbled bolt before it got into the extruder feed hole.
In some cases, it just buckled a bit and the hobbled bold started stripping the plastic, or a few times it started pushing the filament out the sides.

I went back to my old (badly crazy glued together and patched up) extruder and it seems to work ok. The extruded PLA is coming out as a pretty swirly for some very odd reason, but I think that is a low temp and speed issue.
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