Bre and others talking about open/closed source on youtube

Harvey Moon Wrote:
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> Human rights are the last thing to change when
> countries are developing. America and the Uk had
> the same problems at the time of their industial
> revolutions.
I disagree 100%
>
> Give the chinese some time and wages etc will get
> better. I am sure they are better off now then
> they were before but still have some way to go.
>
I agree and that is why a lot of companies are moving to Vietnam which is the next new slave market to pillage.

> You can do your bit by not buying chinese goods,
> no matter what the reason. If that makes you feel
> better.
>
You go live in a cave then because with 90%, or more, of everything coming from China you don't have a viable choice.

> The irony is that you are saying this on a forum
> whose main machine mainly makes useless plastic
> widgets. Not only that the design is such that the
> aim is to make even more plastic making widget
> machines as easily as possible.
Yes, I have argued this point but RepRap is not just about useless anything else you consider the medical field and their use of RepRaps for all sorts of stuff (including using living tissue for grafting) useless. I do agree most common people use it to fill our trash heaps and dumps up with more bric-a-brac and what-nots then should be allowed.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2012 08:45AM by Dark Alchemist.

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I await Skynet and my last vision will be of a RepRap self replicating the robots that is destroying the human race.

I think the article is only accounting for the price of components.

And regardless, I'd be wary of "factory price" breakdowns like that, because they almost *never* include indirect costs.
A product's cost includes marketing costs, customer support costs, the costs of upkeep and managing the sales points, service costs, heck, even transport costs.

None of those are ever accounted for in articles like that.

Nope, and I have found the pricing in articles like that to be, more times than not, incorrect as in they are about 20-50% over what the real cost is. Been in companies and laughed as I read an article like that while I am sitting in my chair reading a BOM, lol. This is why I thought that was including labor but when you read the article it isn't so I am not so sure if we should even believe it.

I lay odds it is in the ball park (one the size of the Grand Canyon) but not something to cast down in stone and as time moves forward it will get less expensive but that article will remain the same. :/

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I await Skynet and my last vision will be of a RepRap self replicating the robots that is destroying the human race.

Dark Alchemist Wrote:
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> is. Been in companies and laughed as I read an
> article like that while I am sitting in my chair
> reading a BOM, lol.

But see, my point was that the price of a product does not consist solely of the price of its BOM.
You could be laughing in your chair, while an accountant might be turning gray in his

(although yes, BOMs in an article like that one usually are too low an estimate - for the BOM - because they fail to account for special arrangements and deals many companies have with suppliers and contractors)

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2012 02:04PM by orcinus.

I think bobc sums it up well, looking at the video they seem to be saying that things are changing but nobody
knows where it will finish up, I could feel the wind of change when bfb sold out to 3Dsystems and I've had
a sinking feeling ever since.
I think companies will try to play it both ways, OS/OH, then closed when it suits them, the question is,
will this deter developers.

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orcinus Wrote:
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> Dark Alchemist Wrote:
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> > is. Been in companies and laughed as I read an
> > article like that while I am sitting in my
> chair
> > reading a BOM, lol.
>
> But see, my point was that the price of a product
> does not consist solely of the price of its BOM.
> You could be laughing in your chair, while an
> accountant might be turning gray in his
>
> (although yes, BOMs in an article like that one
> usually are too low an estimate - for the BOM -
> because they fail to account for special
> arrangements and deals many companies have with
> suppliers and contractors)

My point was that the quoted prices in the articles I have read are not matching the prices I see listed on my BOM and they are off by a landslide.

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I await Skynet and my last vision will be of a RepRap self replicating the robots that is destroying the human race.

Two wrongs (in the plus direction and the minus direction) rarely make a right

I put in open source and reprap and got a thread saying makerbot were lying about being open source. Couldn't read the original though.