Feedback on website I made for people to get together to bulk purchase non-printable hardware for 3d printed projects April 05, 2017 11:45AM |
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jinx
take this example TANK
first ten backs the project helps fund supplies for the next 10 products or so then prepares a build manual which is then what! sold on by you/site, have you the creators consent to sell something to which they applied a License with a NonCommercial aspect of the License. just wondering how that works.
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ElmoC
Nothing gray about a kit of off the shelf parts. Not a violation. It's when you add project specific parts you get into the gray area.
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ElmoC
Nothing gray about a kit of off the shelf parts. Not a violation. It's when you add project specific parts you get into the gray area.
What about a design that consists entirely of off-the-shelf parts put together in a unique way? I don't think there's any logical restriction that a unique design must contain at least one unique, project specific part.
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LoboCNC
This is really quite a tricky question. With the Tank design, obviously selling a complete kit (including the printed pieces) would be a violation of the non-commercial aspect of the Creative Commons license. .
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ElmoC
If it is all off the shelf parts, not a problem as long as you don't include the instructions. Think of it this way. Someone designs an all wood dresser and licenses it as non-commercial. Does that mean no one can now sell a package of wood and hardware that can not only be used to make that dresser, but any number of other items?
If there is nothing unique about the item, then how can it be copyrighted? In your example, it is the assembly, not the parts, that is copyrighted.
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ElmoC
If it is all off the shelf parts, not a problem as long as you don't include the instructions. Think of it this way. Someone designs an all wood dresser and licenses it as non-commercial. Does that mean no one can now sell a package of wood and hardware that can not only be used to make that dresser, but any number of other items?
If there is nothing unique about the item, then how can it be copyrighted? In your example, it is the assembly, not the parts, that is copyrighted.
I don't think a mere lack of instructions would relieve you from infringement if you provided exactly the parts needed to assemble a protected design. I've heard of patent infringement cases where a company selling a collection of components which individually were not in violation were found to collectively violate a patent, even without any particular directions to assemble them in a manner that would infringe. Of course, I'm not a lawyer and am just blowing smoke, so I should probably bow out of this discussion.
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ElmoC
Patents and Copyrights are two different beasts. I can't speak to the case you are referring to, but it doesn't sound likely. There had to be more going on than that.
An example of one of these weird cases was with Weight Watchers. They have patented their point system so anyone can get the algorithm by pulling up the patent. There were some programmers who wrote some smartphone apps to calculate the points. Weight Watchers sued. The end result was the uncompiled code could be distributed without violation since it contained publicly available information. The compiled version couldn't be since it was a complete item.
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Patents and Copyrights are two different beasts. I can't speak to the case you are referring to, but it doesn't sound likely. There had to be more going on than that.
An example of one of these weird cases was with Weight Watchers. They have patented their point system so anyone can get the algorithm by pulling up the patent. There were some programmers who wrote some smartphone apps to calculate the points. Weight Watchers sued. The end result was the uncompiled code could be distributed without violation since it contained publicly available information. The compiled version couldn't be since it was a complete item.
Wow, that goes to show how poorly the legal world understands technology. What if the code was interpreted instead of compiled???
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Ah! So when you all went to the site did you think it was saying what would be shipped to you was a kit that included the 3d printed parts?
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jinx
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Ah! So when you all went to the site did you think it was saying what would be shipped to you was a kit that included the 3d printed parts?
"and send you only what you need, we first need to work together to figure out exactly what parts we need and where the best place to buy them is"
I was left with the impression I get everything needed for a complete build. maybe somewhere in red bold type " printed parts required separately ".
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jinx
I personally dont believe tipping designers as a choice really works, thingiverse has it but I dont hear/read of designers getting rich on tips,, sooner see a $5 designer bounty added to the overall cost of the product. thinking out loud could be an incentive for others to make and share. granting assemble limited agreement to reproduce and distribute the parts at cost. in the long term enable community members to support each other locally.
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one deal breaker I see are international members getting hammered by postal charges could balloon the makers budget. but as assemble grows and members create there network this becomes a lesser issue.
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foremost though who is Assemble when the site mentions WE and OUR who is WE are they affiliated with existing webshops/group.
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jinx
am with Lobo thinking this can be good/great thing for makers keeping prices down and making new friends , and wish you every success.
sure you see me in the forums
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Origamib
Often the problem with open source, is that actually what happens is one charitable individual who releases designs gets screwed, whilst others profit. If you truly believe in the open source movement, you need to empower designers. I recommended designers see a cut of the profit, or you donate a sizeable chunk to maker-based charities.
All designs should be used with permission, there should be no discussion on this.