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i need some advice

Posted by makovai 
i need some advice
December 30, 2013 09:56AM
I have been printing for a while now and all of a sudden I have a situation i just cant seem to figure out.
Curling, or massive strees in my parts.
I have two scenerio's of which neither are acceptable.
I get solid tight layers on the part, but cant get it to stick to the table, or I use ABS glue and it nice adheasion to the table but the stress breaks my layers apart.

I know this is a temperature issue. I have experimented with every combination of temperature, nozzle dia, and layer thickness i can think of. I print in a office room in my house. The temperature is a very comfortable 70° F.
Any suggestions would be appriciated.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2013 12:30PM by makovai.
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Re: i need some advice
December 30, 2013 12:24PM
It looks to me like it's an ambient temperature issue. During the winter months, I'd expect this kind of thing with ABS.
A2
Re: i need some advice
December 30, 2013 06:01PM
@makovai ,

What kind of hot end are you using, looks like a custom thermal break, can you provide some details of it?


Notes:

ABS, (Acrylonitrile butadiene styrene, Type: extruded):


Drying Temperature:
Range: 70°C to 93.3°C, (158ºF to 200ºF)
Average: 80.9°C, (178ºF ).

Dry time:
Range: 2 to 4 hours.
Average: 3.2 hours.

Glass-transition temp:
Range: 108°C to 109°C.
Average: 108°C, (226.4ºF ).
Wikipedia: 105°C, (221ºF ).

Begin testing around this temp:
Substrate/bed temperature: <105°C, (221ºF ).
Enclosure temperature: <105°C, (221ºF ).

Material properties are generally stable between:
−20 and 80 °C (−4 and 176 °F).

Linear Mold Shrinkage (extruded):
0.002 – 0.008 cm/cm.
Average value: 0.00532 cm/cm.

Machine parameters:
Extrude temp (RepRap): 210 C ~ 240 C

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2013 06:04PM by A2.
Re: i need some advice
December 30, 2013 07:51PM
I sure thought I posted a reply to this already .....

Stick to the bed:

1) Bed is not level
2) Bed zero is wrong
3) Bed temp is wrong (if abs)
4) Printing speed on first layer is to fast

Upper layers:

1) Extruder temp is to low
2) Print speed is to low
3) Extrusion flow is to low

Either one:

1) Z axis is not calibrated
2) Extruder is not calibrated
Re: i need some advice
December 30, 2013 08:13PM
If your print sticks well to the heated bed:

Every extruded layer shrinks during the difference in temp from being extruded to room temp.
If you always put a small (hot) layer on a big (cold) layer the model begins to warp.


So you have to lower the difference in temperature from extruding to room temp:
A too high extruder temp could cause that too. Higher the Bedtemp in upper layers could solve the problem too. (Avoid cold air around the bed - heatchamber)

vincent.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/30/2013 08:14PM by vinmicgra.


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